NullPointer
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Absolutely debatable and thoroughly subjective - but that'd be a derail.
EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"
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That's the thing though - there's folks on this forum, some in this very thread, that have contested otherwise. We've got official MS reps saying that there isn't a gap - or at least not as wide of one as we think? - for one reason or another. Normally, yeah, you'd say a PC with a 7850 is more powerful than one with a 7770, but the matter is that point is being disputed, hence we have these threads that focus on the power disparity.
And then there's still the angle of how that power disparity will actually be leveraged by multi-plat developers on the consoles - will they work with the lowest common denominator in mind and just throw whatever they come up with on other systems with minimal additional effort? Will they actually try to get as much out of each system as possible? There's still a lot of debate on that front, particularly because it's not nearly as clear-cut as the horsepower difference.
So there's still plenty to the basic conversation of what will come of games between the Xbone and the PS4. Thing is, the conversation makes some folks uncomfortable. When I see the conversation starting to get directed toward PS4 vs PC, I see certain names pop up time and time again. I remember TheKayle's common retreats in threads past. I know the end goal - to get people to stop talking about the Xbone's power and move it to a place where the PS4 gets downplayed by a comparison that will leave it slapped around silly. The ultimate result is a discussion derailment to one with a foregone conclusion.
On top of that, you've got some guys who just genuinely enjoy poo-pooing on the entire debate to feel good about themselves. Stroking the ego and all that.
Now I'm not saying any of those are your end goals, but I've seen these things happen consistently enough in the past to see what's coming ahead of time. And that's what makes the whole situation irritating to watch unfold.
I am a primarily a PC gamer and I hate this shit that keep popping up in every console thread.
EDIT: Also notice how neither one of us mentioned Wii U? That's a different class of device too even though it is a gaming console.
Also if you want to debate this, make a new thread don't muck up this one.
Everyone knows the PC is the best gaming machine in the market....if you can afford it. A lot of the people that buy Xbox One or PS4 usually don't have high end PCs so the console is their primary gaming platform. If I am a general consumer in a $400-$500 range there's no way I can buy a decent gaming PC.
Yes it can, and it is being compared.... PC wins every time, however it's the nature of the platform to be able to outperform PCs of similar spec because consoles are a closed platform and optimized for gaming. Other than that a PC with more raw power will always win.
Beating a dead horse again with the PC is better than the consoles, we already know that. 4k gaming is still WAYS off even on current high end PCs. PS4, Xbox One, and the PC all have exclusive games for their respective platforms so yes, it is about the games to a certain extent.
Gaming PCs don't compete with consoles because they are not in the same price bracket. You are trying to compare a $400-$500 console to a $1000+ gaming machine, it's ridiculous to assume that the consumer will be willing to stretch the budget up to $500 just to get a gaming PC because the graphics are better. On the other hand the PS4 and Xbox One are pretty much direct competitors when it comes to pricing, gaming library, services, and console exclusive games.
EDIT: Also notice how neither one of us mentioned Wii U? That's a different class of device too even though it is a gaming console.
Also if you want to debate this, make a new thread don't muck up this one.
wut what?
When it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic currently being discussed?
Yes, please.
MS cheapened out, they started X1 development in 2010. they could've equipped the damn thing with GDDR5 easily.
Typical MS, rubbish hardware at an expensive price.
I can't wrap my head around 360 first models, no wifi, not even a fucking HDMI, DVD, no HDD standard ! fast forward to 2013 and we have Xbox One, 50% weaker than PS4 at $499!!
oh MS, you ain't apple.
Typical MS, rubbish hardware at an expensive price.
I can't wrap my head around 360 first models, no wifi, not even a fucking HDMI, DVD, no HDD standard ! fast forward to 2013 and we have Xbox One, 50% weaker than PS4 at $499!!
oh MS, you ain't apple.
Can Crusher
Banned
What truth bombs? Most of the time the argument self implodes by taking away the price from the discussion. Two consoles are releasing at the same time, and console gamers wanna know which one is the better deal. How does it matter for the discussion that you can spend double the money and have something that is comparable or better? In the end it just seems like PC gaf has a desperate need to be in on the conversation, and many posters forget that in the same way they can belittle a console because they have a better PC, so can their PC be the one belittled because there's others out there with even better PC's than them.
It's not a difficult concept to understand, you don't enter a comparison discussion between a VW GTI and an Audi A3 by saying "who cares when you can buy a Cayman", because then another guy can just come in and say "who gives a shit about your shitty Cayman when you can buy a R8", then a bigger dick comes swinging with a Veyron and so on and so on.
It does nothing to advance discussion about these two consoles, and what they offer for the money you pay.
Mihos
Gold Member
Not to even more derail, but my X51 booting straight to Steam big picture mode is way less "windows 8" than the XBOX dashboard with it it's Mountain Dew ads atc... boot-to-in-game time is quicker too... I would pepsi challenge that PC on user experience anyday against xbox dashboard.
You can't generalize PC gaming, which is why I don't think it really has any place in comparing consoles, but lets not get nuts. XBOX was better than PS3 for a long time, but as it sits right now at this moment, I like the PS3 UI much better.
Christ, PC gaming is not for everyone. Stop derailing these threads.
A lot of people love the ease and simplicity of a console. Sitting in front of the biggest screen in the house playing games.
No setup, no wires, no hassle, buddies on the couch, friends lists ready to go. It's great.
PC can't offer that shit for 400 bucks, and if it did, it would be a inferior experience.
So let's just get this thread back on track. Being a console gamer does not mean you have the lowest standards for visual quality or that we can't see the difference between 30 or 60FPS.
There is absolutely no need to enter a thread that isn't even remotely about the PC platform, only to act like some kind of Jehova's witness trying to convert people to the "ultimate" way to play games.
No thank you sir. I'll be fine with a console for the next generation. *closes door*
A lot of people love the ease and simplicity of a console. Sitting in front of the biggest screen in the house playing games.
No setup, no wires, no hassle, buddies on the couch, friends lists ready to go. It's great.
PC can't offer that shit for 400 bucks, and if it did, it would be a inferior experience.
So let's just get this thread back on track. Being a console gamer does not mean you have the lowest standards for visual quality or that we can't see the difference between 30 or 60FPS.
There is absolutely no need to enter a thread that isn't even remotely about the PC platform, only to act like some kind of Jehova's witness trying to convert people to the "ultimate" way to play games.
No thank you sir. I'll be fine with a console for the next generation. *closes door*
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
Ms made the decision to abandon one of the xbox core pillars (great specs) and thought tech don`t matter anymore.
They apparently didn`t realise that lots of people bought 360s because of the better running multiplats, and not only because of xbox live.
But nothing surprises me with the current xbox managment team, they even managed to turn another strong xbox pillar (online/xbox live) from a big plus into a big minus (online drm).
Now they have to live with the consequences.
They apparently didn`t realise that lots of people bought 360s because of the better running multiplats, and not only because of xbox live.
But nothing surprises me with the current xbox managment team, they even managed to turn another strong xbox pillar (online/xbox live) from a big plus into a big minus (online drm).
Now they have to live with the consequences.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Exposed in a couple of posts, more like.
Yes. Because this thread is a bubble where nothing outside of the words in the OP could ever be related or interconnected in any way. It's time to take a step back and take a breath.
The topic is the comparison between two gaming machines with regards to power. Saying that adding another gaming machine to that comparison "has absolutely nothing to do with the topic" is just absurd.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
I'm in the state of a massive... Who cares? Aren't we going to be playing games? Like there's so much of these articles but it won't matter in the end.
This is a pretty serious gap.
So now the only reasons someone would want to buy an xbone is for exclusives(of which most of them aren't that hot anyway) and Kinect. If kinect turns out a flop and a next Halo game is not coming next year, the xbone could be in more trouble than I thought.
So now the only reasons someone would want to buy an xbone is for exclusives(of which most of them aren't that hot anyway) and Kinect. If kinect turns out a flop and a next Halo game is not coming next year, the xbone could be in more trouble than I thought.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
You cherry picked one drawback among many, I don't like PC gaming much, period, and find console gaming a far superior experience.
So, PC for me (and many many others) is just not in the equation, it comes down to Xbox One vs PS4, you know, like the topic of the article and this thread.
So given that, the multi-plat performance of titles for the two consoles is of interest to me, PC not-so-much.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
You think this is a debate? Do you feel people have been able to put their thoughts across fairly without ridicule?
CitizenCope
Member
It's making me think about it. Just sucks as I'm a Fable, Halo, Gears guy and never was a big fan of Sony exclusives. The big ones like Killzone, GOW and Uncharted were meh to me as I played them all. BUT I will not play on a console that plays games at a much lower frame rate when another one runs better and is $100 cheaper. Can't do it. Won't do it.
We'll see what happens with the launch titles. For now I only have an XB1 preordered. Damn it MS wtf did you do? Or not do?
cyberheater
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I don't think that's correct. They took a gamble that their spec would be enough and they were really depending on the fact that the PS4 would only ship with 4Gb of GDDR5.
If that had been true then they would have had a lot more memory to offset the raw power gap.
Unfortunately for MS. Sony got luck and dropped 8Gb of GDDR5 in the box at a relatively late stage. This must have sent a major shock wave at Xbox HQ.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
The 180 is mentioned in the article, did they somehow go and paste new text over every copy available in the shops because it had already left the printers?!
cripterion
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MightyHedgehog
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Then you must have been gutted all this time and didn't realize. This isn't new, look at the multiplats on the current gen. No reason to not see that continue with next-gen, starting with the multiplats coming out at launch.
Chobel
Member
Read the title : EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"
Do you see any "PC" there?
Not even the article has the word "PC" in it.
Ricerocket
Member
I wonder if MS had the option or knew that 8GB gddr5 was possible that they would trade 8GB ddr3 + 32MB esram for it.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
So, how about showing me a PC I can buy new for £329 (using UK prices) that will provide competitive or better, superior performance to the PS4, fit in an entertainment center under the TV and be as quiet as either the PS4 / Xbox One will be. I'm honestly curious if you could do it.
More apt comparison.
soundahfekz
Member
so tired of this PC shit infecting every console thread. So you can downsample and make shit look prettier, whoop dee doo
Nope. It's not.
This thread topic is comparing 2 things. You're introducing a third.
Not a difficult concept.
Particularly concerning the question of whether multi-plat developers will actually leverage the extra power, yeah, there's been plenty of civilized conversation over the topic. Hell, there's even been some interesting interpretations about the original article's point of Lets say you are using procedural generation or raytracing via parametric surfaces that is, using a lot of memory writes and not much texturing or ALU Xbox One will be likely be faster, and how that might be a manifestation of ESRAM's supposed latency advantages - I've no clue on how true that is, but hey, there's at least food for thought.
If you tune out the obvious fanboy spew from both sides, there's plenty to be gained out of the conversation. Just realize you're in the middle of a console war, when said spew is going to be at an all-time high.
Can Crusher
Banned
It's about PS4 and Xbox One, not about Ps4/Xbox One and "My recommended specs PC". You are simply killing conversation by adding an element that doesn't belong. Console gamers simply don't care, like stinkles said it's like a Car guy getting on a Bike conversation and starts talking about cars being better. You're talking with guys who want to buy a bike.
Redshirt
Banned
Have you experienced the X1 firsthand?
It's an exciting piece of tech, in theory; but based on what I've read, it's not available everywhere, it's expensive and it's buggy.
Nearly every review I've read has complained that the voice-controlled app doesn't work properly.
Plus, I could get 3 years of DirecTV and buy an XB1, PS4 and WiiU for what it costs to lock into the X1 contract, and the X1 doesn't play games.
Unfortunately, people on GAF ignore that this happened for some reason.
Manmademan
Member
it's also useless for at LEAST 40% of american cable subscribers, which was MY point.
I'm aware it's not useful outside of the US. my point that it's usefulness IN the US is vastly overstated.
4 out of 10 cable households for whom TV integration is totally worthless is a big deal. and as I mentioned, Cable operators have regional monopolies. So someone on Comcast can't just "move to cox or time warner" and suddenly be a customer- entire media markets (like mine, in philly) have no ability or motivation to use the Xbox media functions. (unless you were lucky enough to get fios in your area- unfortunately verizon is no longer expanding that service). Comcast rendered it completely useless and has no motivation to change their minds.
There is also no ability to navigate or control on demand functions.
No ability to control or navigate recorded DVR content is ALSO a big deal. As it stands, "just hooking it up to your cable box" does not work as an all in one solution for most of the US AND it requires Xbox live gold to use. The amount of people that will be using this is going to be vanishingly small.
No, you only said you don't play on PC because it needs to be plugged to the wall/TV, as if consoles didn't need that. That's a BS reason, but if you want to limit your choices you are of course free to do so.
CassidyIzABeast
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The lesson we've learned from the last few pages: PC versions don't count in console threads unless they can be used to prove that a game isn't exclusive.
lyrick
Member
Cerny opened the floodgates by emphasizing "Supercharged PC architecture" all those time he talked to the press. With that kind of inclusion Sony pretty much made PC comparison admissible in any discussion that involves the PS4.
cyberheater
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Then it makes MS's decision to go down this route even more puzzling. SMH MS.
Mihos
Gold Member
I am on Time Warner in the US.. I don't even think they offer cable boxes anymore. It is all boxless now in my area unless you want a DVR.
Do you guys believe this shit? if MS wanted to pursue a stronger machine, they would have equipped it with better GPU, not this weak 1.23 TF one.
also even if PS4 released with only 4GDDR5 ram, It would be still considered the more powerful machine due to the GPU only.
MS started X1 development early 2010, they could have opted with 4GDDR5+8DDR3 if they want.
Give Sony props for sticking to implementing the high-end RAM despite the financial difficulties they have.
Also they story that Sony were lucky is just DF assumption nothing more, Sony could have planned this all along.
Apples and oranges, sweetheart.
If the discussion is over exclusivity, then yes, having a PC version throws "platform exclusive" out the window. If it's explicitly about console exclusivity, then that's another matter.
Shopto posted this article on their Facebook feed, the comments were filled with "but cloud" and "Sony said the same with the PS3"
A lot of people don't seem to care or believe there is a power difference. It's also kinda weird that there seems to be a bit of a reaction any time this is brought up, I've seen it being painted as a return of arrogant Sony.
Dat PS3 pre-launch legacy.
A lot of people don't seem to care or believe there is a power difference. It's also kinda weird that there seems to be a bit of a reaction any time this is brought up, I've seen it being painted as a return of arrogant Sony.
Dat PS3 pre-launch legacy.
Great specs were not a pillar of the Xbox 360. Some like to say it was more powerful than PCs at launch, but most people know it's not true.
Also, specs are not simply GPU,CPU and RAM. As mentioned above, the Xbox 360 was launched with no wifi, no HDD standard and no HDMI output. Not mention it had no 1080p support before October 2006(!).
No, it doesn't. Just because they are built on PC-esque architecture (and really, how long has this been the case now? 20 years?) does not= PC.
PC is not a home console. This thread is comparing 2 different home consoles.
You can't compare the console market to the PC market, no matter what their architectures are.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Y'know, Microsoft can try to claim an advantage with weird ESRAM functionality or slight hardware upclocking. They can try to blur the lines with PR speak/lies.
But at the end of the day, their games just don't look as good. Everything they have using the Xbone as the proprietary hardware just pales in comparison to everything Sony has shown. And it's not like the devs using the Xbone are a bunch of slackers - They have the fucking Forza team and Crytek using the hardware. CRYTEK. CRYSIS 3 CRYTEK.
Have you seen the new Driveclub footage? Holy SHIT.
But at the end of the day, their games just don't look as good. Everything they have using the Xbone as the proprietary hardware just pales in comparison to everything Sony has shown. And it's not like the devs using the Xbone are a bunch of slackers - They have the fucking Forza team and Crytek using the hardware. CRYTEK. CRYSIS 3 CRYTEK.
Have you seen the new Driveclub footage? Holy SHIT.
To be fair it's because its harder to create games for the cell as opposed to porting the 360 version. If you show me a 360 game that looks as good as God of War 3, Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, or The Last of Us then I'll agree with you.
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