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Yeah, so? EVERY indie game that wasn't funded by Sony in some way will find its way on XBO when they get their indie policies in place. Until then, they are exclusive to PS4/Wii-U. Then some games like War Thunder won't ever see XBO until Microsoft changes another asinine policy which is "no crossplatform play allowed."

I disagree that there will be library parity across Xbox One and PS4.

I believe the PS4 will have a huge exclusive advantage here. Partly because of the development differences stated in the Edge article.

 

[Pain]

Edge is paid by Sony:

No it was after the 180.

Clearly the people working at EDGE feel the same as most of us on this forum. They're opinions reflect those of the majority. That explains the flip flopping over the years. They're not on anyones payroll. They're gamers just like all of us on this forum.

PS4 has everything going for it. It's impossible to tell people not to buy it or recommend an Xbox One instead.

EDGE isn't biased. They're not fanboys. They're actually the complete opposite. These covers are proof that they show no loyalty to any of the big 3.

 

[jim2011]

if i can two way communicate with my DVR using an iphone app, why would I pay microsoft $60 to do it?

You're missing the point, this discussion was about how Microsoft can integrate with dvr's, control over IP is the way.

 

[Nealand Liquor]

Wow. The emotional insecurity of the console fanboys in here is staggering. In the sports threads to people freak out this bad when someone compares a 3rd line defenseman to PK Subban? Someone wants to bring up an outside point? Who cares, move on. Don't cry about it.

Not to poke the bear, but I gotta say sitting on the sidelines and reading PC fanboys continually bring up the PC in these console orientated threads displays a shit-ton of 'emotional insecurity'. It's almost as if some people just can't stand their favorite object not being part of the conversation lately. I dunno, this is just how I see it as of late.

 

[vpance]

THIS.

THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


THISTHISTHIS

2015 PS4 Slim refresh and FW update for OG units?

 

[EventHorizon]

Two observations...

1) On the PC vs console debate, its like the console guys are two fathers discussing who gets better acceleration in their cars and some kid keeps popping in boasting that his motorcycle blows them both out of the water. The point the kid doesn't get is that the fathers don't want to ride a motorcycle so it doesn't matter and it is annoying for the kid to keep trying insert himself into the conversation.


2) Third party game parity couldl play out differently in the next gen. In the current gen the 360 and PS3 had roughly the same max performance. The problem was that it took more coding effort for the PS3 to hit that target. It wasn't that 360 games were held back, it was that third party devs had to spend extra effort to bring the quality of PS3 games up to the 360's level.

For the next gen, the PS4 has a higher max performance capability and is easier to code for. It is not entirely clear which console should have the lead development. While it would be easier to port a game from the XB1 to the PS4 than the other way around, it would also be easier to prototype and iterate on game designs on the PS4. Either way, a dev would have to make a conscious decision not to use the extra power of the PS4. Considering that the PS4 will have the larger install base that might put them at a competitive disadvantage to another game that does take advantage of the PS4's power.

 

[Albert Penello]

Yes, but look at your DVR remote, it has those buttons, the point is that there is no 2 way communication between your DVR and Xbox One, this means you can use commands that relate directly to a button, but you can't use commands like "Record America's got Talent" or play "Walking Dead from Sunday" You can do those things with voice control but it will be the same button presses as if you used remote.

TV guide
Page down
right
right
right
Record

Instead of "Record Breaking Bad at 9pm"

The lack of HDMI-CEC on so many devices means that there will only be 1 way communication with your DVR, and there's nothing Microsoft can do about that.

We support CEC, but found it to be unreliable at launch for two reasons – first, no consistency in how it’s marketed (there is no labeling to know if you have a CEC compatible set), and second, any break in the chain can break CEC (if you have a CEC TV, but not a CEC Amp, we’ve seen the chain break)

IR blasting testing is, honesty, much better than I expected. It’s probably the most surprising aspect as I was doubtful it would be reliable. I’ve been playing with it at home and it works amazingly well, and you can see where my Kinect is based on my TIVO.

For voice, we’re thinking more like “Xbox, Go to Velocity”, where we know that Velocity is channel 870. Our “see it, Say it” model also allows us to go specifically to a show since we have the guide information.

Some of the more sophisticated commands are capable, but not coming at launch. CEC is also on the books, and we'll see how that progresses as CEC devices become more common.

 

[Manmademan]

You're missing the point, this discussion was about how Microsoft can integrate with dvr's, control over IP is the way.

except it isn't, because as we've pointed out, each one of these DVRs and Cable boxes is proprietary, and running proprietary software.

microsoft would need specific agreements with everyone to pull this off. They've already tried agreements with US cable carriers and failed. Control over IP isn't happening without those agreements in place, and we already know Comcast doesn't want anything to do with it.

 

[Pain]

IMO, not enough.

There is still room for Esram / Move Engine / Audio / aggregate bw Chip spin.

I am hoping for a 2.0 ghz / 1.0 ghz upclock for PS4. Maybe then we can put this thing to bed and focus on something else.

Hopefully not. I already have a hard time imagining how a box that small will stay cool.

 

[Chobel]

We support CEC, but found it to be unreliable at launch for two reasons – first, no consistency in how it’s marketed (there is no labeling to know if you have a CEC compatible set), and second, any break in the chain can break CEC (if you have a CEC TV, but not a CEC Amp, we’ve seen the chain break)

IR blasting testing is, honesty, much better than I expected. It’s probably the most surprising aspect as I was doubtful it would be reliable. I’ve been playing with it at home and it works amazingly well, and you can see where my Kinect is based on my TIVO.

For voice, we’re thinking more like “Xbox, Go to Velocity”, where we know that Velocity is channel 870. Our “see it, Say it” model also allows us to go specifically to a show since we have the guide information.

Some of the more sophisticated commands are capable, but not coming at launch. CEC is also on the books, and we'll see how that progresses as CEC devices become more common.

What can you tell us about this EDGE article?

 

[Skeff]

You're missing the point, this discussion was about how Microsoft can integrate with dvr's, control over IP is the way.

But the counter point is, what's stopping Sony from doing this? nothing.

 

[jim2011]

so show me where microsoft has shown this is possible, and I'll freely concede. this might take you a while, however. HDMI CEC is nowhere near good enough to control a DVR to the extent that we're talking about right now.



Really? so explain to me how Tivo control over HDMI would work, when daisy chaining the Xbone, your cable box, AND a separate Tivo device with only one HDMI in, and one HDMI out.



exactly.

The TiVo solution is not control over HDMI as it lacks hdmi cec. It would control over your LAN via IP commands.

As for hdmi cec support, here's one link out of tons from google.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hdmi-passthrough/

 

[Nafai1123]

Cmon Sony, raise the GPU clock by 100mhz and put this thing over 2Tflops. You know you want to.

 

[Manmademan]

The TiVo solution is not control over HDMI as it lacks hdmi cec. It would control over your LAN via IP commands.

As for hdmi cec support, here's one link out of tons from google.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hdmi-passthrough/

see the above response on HDMI CEC. it's not feasible.

 

[jim2011]

But the counter point is, what's stopping Sony from doing this? nothing.

Nothing's stopping them from controlling your dvr but...

It's on a completely different input!

What's the point then?

 

[beast786]

What can you tell us about this EDGE article?

let me help him out.



We are looking forward to our launch and all the features. can't comment on in name sources or rumors. people at turn 10 are working hard to bring you the next gen experience .

 

[Cidd]

Cmon Sony, raise the GPU clock by 100mhz and put this thing over 2Tflops. You know you want to.

It's already in production, that's not going to happen.

 

[SwiftDeath]

We support CEC, but found it to be unreliable at launch for two reasons – first, no consistency in how it’s marketed (there is no labeling to know if you have a CEC compatible set), and second, any break in the chain can break CEC (if you have a CEC TV, but not a CEC Amp, we’ve seen the chain break)

IR blasting testing is, honesty, much better than I expected. It’s probably the most surprising aspect as I was doubtful it would be reliable. I’ve been playing with it at home and it works amazingly well, and you can see where my Kinect is based on my TIVO.

For voice, we’re thinking more like “Xbox, Go to Velocity”, where we know that Velocity is channel 870. Our “see it, Say it” model also allows us to go specifically to a show since we have the guide information.

Some of the more sophisticated commands are capable, but not coming at launch. CEC is also on the books, and we'll see how that progresses as CEC devices become more common.

While I am a little surprised by some of your other recent comments, this one is actually quite helpful

Can you say how much control you have over your TIVO then?

In-depth DVR control is going to be necessary for wide adoption but I'm sure MS is already aware of that

It sounds like you're running into a lot of the problems that Google TV ran into personally

Control standards for Set-top boxes are pretty terrible and not widely implemented

 

[Skeff]

We support CEC, but found it to be unreliable at launch for two reasons – first, no consistency in how it’s marketed (there is no labeling to know if you have a CEC compatible set), and second, any break in the chain can break CEC (if you have a CEC TV, but not a CEC Amp, we’ve seen the chain break)

IR blasting testing is, honesty, much better than I expected. It’s probably the most surprising aspect as I was doubtful it would be reliable. I’ve been playing with it at home and it works amazingly well, and you can see where my Kinect is based on my TIVO.

For voice, we’re thinking more like “Xbox, Go to Velocity”, where we know that Velocity is channel 870. Our “see it, Say it” model also allows us to go specifically to a show since we have the guide information.

Some of the more sophisticated commands are capable, but not coming at launch. CEC is also on the books, and we'll see how that progresses as CEC devices become more common.

Thanks for the Reply, I'm sure CEC will become a standard feature at some time, It's good that you'll be ready for that when the time comes.

 

[RedAssedApe]

This thread needs more Dragon Ball Z. jk I'm not the only one who thought this when I read power struggle though right?

 

[jim2011]

except it isn't, because as we've pointed out, each one of these DVRs and Cable boxes is proprietary, and running proprietary software.

microsoft would need specific agreements with everyone to pull this off. They've already tried agreements with US cable carriers and failed. Control over IP isn't happening without those agreements in place, and we already know Comcast doesn't want anything to do with it.

I already agreed that they need agreements. Nintendo even has an agreement with TiVo for tvii. It can be done. Not for everyone but it can be done and you can be sure Microsoft is trying!

That really should be the end of this discussion. What more is there to discuss? It's not a hardware problem, it is feasible. It just requires deals.

 

[Manmademan]

Nothing's stopping them from controlling your dvr but...

It's on a completely different input!

What's the point then?

you know, I was all set to continue this (maddening) discussion, but then something bishop said came to mind. about how it's possible to pinpoint the join date (or rather, date of first post) of certain posters without ever looking at their post history.

curious how often that man is correct.

 

[bonus_sco]

What can you tell us about this EDGE article?

He would say something along the lines of, looking at the performance of the Xbox One when not using the ESRAM is a waste of time.

Leaving a 200+ Gbps memory pool unused isn't a good idea.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

It seems some gambles simply do not pay off, but it's surprising that there is such a gap (though we have been hearing whispers of it leading up to now).

It would truly be sad to see anyone compromise their game for the weaker console or to achieve parity, so I seriously hope that is not the case.
I now expect quite a few 500 errors when that first DF article goes up...

A 404 error?

 

[ZedIndyLil]

We support CEC, but found it to be unreliable at launch for two reasons – first, no consistency in how it’s marketed (there is no labeling to know if you have a CEC compatible set), and second, any break in the chain can break CEC (if you have a CEC TV, but not a CEC Amp, we’ve seen the chain break)

IR blasting testing is, honesty, much better than I expected. It’s probably the most surprising aspect as I was doubtful it would be reliable. I’ve been playing with it at home and it works amazingly well, and you can see where my Kinect is based on my TIVO.

For voice, we’re thinking more like “Xbox, Go to Velocity”, where we know that Velocity is channel 870. Our “see it, Say it” model also allows us to go specifically to a show since we have the guide information.

Some of the more sophisticated commands are capable, but not coming at launch. CEC is also on the books, and we'll see how that progresses as CEC devices become more common.

Thanks for the comments. I'm very interested to see the IR blaster in action for a variety of use cases.

 

[Nafai1123]

It's already in production, that's not going to happen.

If they do further testing and determine the thermal/TDP levels are adequate they certainly could.

 

[EventHorizon]

We support CEC, but found it to be unreliable at launch for two reasons – first, no consistency in how it’s marketed (there is no labeling to know if you have a CEC compatible set), and second, any break in the chain can break CEC (if you have a CEC TV, but not a CEC Amp, we’ve seen the chain break)

IR blasting testing is, honesty, much better than I expected. It’s probably the most surprising aspect as I was doubtful it would be reliable. I’ve been playing with it at home and it works amazingly well, and you can see where my Kinect is based on my TIVO.

For voice, we’re thinking more like “Xbox, Go to Velocity”, where we know that Velocity is channel 870. Our “see it, Say it” model also allows us to go specifically to a show since we have the guide information.

Some of the more sophisticated commands are capable, but not coming at launch. CEC is also on the books, and we'll see how that progresses as CEC devices become more common.

The problem is all that stuff only works for live TV. You are not taking advantage of the record capabilities of the DVR. How do you skip commercials? How do you find your previously recorded shows? I have all my shows set up to automatically record. I'm doing it now for the fall TV season. From that point on I don't care what channel a show was on. I just want to find and play this week's already recorded episode of Walking Dead. The XB1 can't really make that task any easier.

 

[Skeff]

Nothing's stopping them from controlling your dvr but...

It's on a completely different input!

What's the point then?

Because it would still control your dvr without the remote, you wouldn't be able to snap it, but it would still control your dvr, and if they were able to get this going, I'm sure they could change the input on your tv too.

If I'm watching TV and say Xbox Sky sports 1 or TV Sky sports 1, it doesn't make a difference if my PS4 is on the same input as my Sky box or not, the point is the end result i the same, Software features are often copied from one device to another, the main differences that last throughout a generation are the hardware required features that can't be copied.

 

[Love Deterrence]

Proof is in the pudding. PS3 was supposed to make 360 look like Xbox 1.5.

We all know how that turned out

Exactly. It's crazy to me how, despite all of its flaws (a good chunk of them mentioned in this thread), the Xbox 360 is still pushing out high-end games. Microsoft wanted the console to be future-proof, and for the most part, it has been. It's amazing that they've been able to get an extra year out of their console (over Sony) without something as vital as Blu-ray. Somehow, the console is still able to play powerhouses like Grand Theft Auto V... Yet, some people don't seem to want to acknowledge things like this, because (the general vibe I'm getting from this thread is that) "third-party games don't matter."

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge PlayStation 3 fan and a huge fan of what Sony is doing going forward... That doesn't mean I'm not just as excited about the future of Xbox. I just want the same reassurances from Sony that I get from Microsoft when it comes to the longevity of their platform. I happen to be one who believes that gaming does have to evolve through a Cloud architecture... If gaming is still hardware-based this generation, then the industry is going to face heavy long-term consequences. I don't believe in Cloud-based gaming because Microsoft is telling me. I believe in it, because my favorite game developers (the best to ever do it) are telling me.

In any event, I just want to play the best available version of the game -- the best version for me. Whether it be a game that looks better, plays better, or just one that a majority of my friends are playing, I just want to have the best possible gaming experience. PlayStation 4, Xbox One, whatever - doesn't matter to me, I just want to enjoy the games I play.

 

[Zatoichi's Cane]

What is wrong with some of you guys?

Seriously, how many different developers and/or sources have come out and said the same damn thing?
Now, listening to some of you, you'd think Edge is bought and paid for by Sony.

I'd understand that there would be grounds for skepticism if the math didn't corralate with the developers' statements, but it does!!!!

Most of the PS4 version of the multiplats will just be developed to get it out of the door, while the xbone version will be optimized like crazy to get it close to the PS4. I'm not ready to say the PS4 will be nerfed, but that could become a possibility with enough $$$.

 

[cartman414]

No, it doesn't. Just because they are built on PC-esque architecture (and really, how long has this been the case now? 20 years?) does not= PC.

PC is not a home console. This thread is comparing 2 different home consoles.

No they haven't. The last and only other time a console used x86 architecture was the original XBox.

 

[Haint]

We support CEC, but found it to be unreliable at launch for two reasons – first, no consistency in how it’s marketed (there is no labeling to know if you have a CEC compatible set), and second, any break in the chain can break CEC (if you have a CEC TV, but not a CEC Amp, we’ve seen the chain break)

IR blasting testing is, honesty, much better than I expected. It’s probably the most surprising aspect as I was doubtful it would be reliable. I’ve been playing with it at home and it works amazingly well, and you can see where my Kinect is based on my TIVO.

For voice, we’re thinking more like “Xbox, Go to Velocity”, where we know that Velocity is channel 870. Our “see it, Say it” model also allows us to go specifically to a show since we have the guide information.

Some of the more sophisticated commands are capable, but not coming at launch. CEC is also on the books, and we'll see how that progresses as CEC devices become more common.

So there is no CEC at launch period (e.g. not even basic auto power on/off with other devices)?

 

[rjinaz]

Not to poke the bear, but I gotta say sitting on the sidelines and reading PC fanboys continually bring up the PC in these console orientated threads displays a shit-ton of 'emotional insecurity'. It's almost as if some people just can't stand their favorite object not being part of the conversation lately. I dunno, this is just how I see it as of late.

Bingo. I honestly think that's a big part of it. I like the Wii U, and I kind of feel that way about it as well lately. It's two months before these consoles launch, right now it makes more sense than ever that we're talking about the PS4 and Xbox One especially when that is where the gaming press is as well.

 

[Finalizer]

THIS.

THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


THISTHISTHIS

Is this just a wish of the bird, or is there something more we should be reading from this?

Because if it's the latter, idontbelieveyourlies.jpg

 

[timlot]

We support CEC, but found it to be unreliable at launch for two reasons – first, no consistency in how it’s marketed (there is no labeling to know if you have a CEC compatible set), and second, any break in the chain can break CEC (if you have a CEC TV, but not a CEC Amp, we’ve seen the chain break)

IR blasting testing is, honesty, much better than I expected. It’s probably the most surprising aspect as I was doubtful it would be reliable. I’ve been playing with it at home and it works amazingly well, and you can see where my Kinect is based on my TIVO.

For voice, we’re thinking more like “Xbox, Go to Velocity”, where we know that Velocity is channel 870. Our “see it, Say it” model also allows us to go specifically to a show since we have the guide information.

Some of the more sophisticated commands are capable, but not coming at launch. CEC is also on the books, and we'll see how that progresses as CEC devices become more common.

How does Kinect ir blasting work? I assume its blasting ir into the room that's then reflected back off walls and what not towards the tv and a/v equipment?

 

[Dragonborn]

What is wrong with some of you guys?

Seriously, how many different developers and/or sources have come out and said the same damn thing?
Now, listening to some of you, you'd think Edge is bought and paid for by Sony.

I'd understand that there would be grounds for skepticism if the math didn't corralate with the developers' statements, but it does!!!!

Most of the PS4 version of the multiplats will just be developed to get it out of the door, while the xbone version will be optimized like crazy to get it close to the PS4. I'm not ready to say the PS4 will be nerfed, but that could become a possibility with enough $$$.

Some people will not listen. Even when comparisons come out, they'll just keep using some excuse. There's nothing wrong with getting an X1, that's fine and awesome if it's what one wants to do, however, my issue is that people turn around and try feeding everyone else the same BS MS wants us to eat. So essentially, it's fine if someone chooses the X1, just don't try to sell one to anyone else using MS' marketing language. It's clear which console is superior at this point, I don't get how people can still argue against it.

As for PC, yea, it has no place in console comparison, it's just annoying and off topic. I have a gaming PC, but there's lot of people who don't care about for one. Bringing it up is useless.

 

[Manmademan]

Error 500 (internal server error)

yeah, it'll be like E3 around here.

 

[hohoXD123]

Because the PC isn't a "real third competitor" at all? Any idiot knows that so I find your bringing the PC into a console discussion rather disingenuous, and that's coming from someone who spends 95% of his gaming time on a PC.

As a PC gamer there really is nothing more annoying than my fellow PC gamers who feel the need to constantly tell everyone how much better the PC is as a gaming platform in console threads. If you are that fucking insecure about your choice of gaming platform you have bigger issues than whether or not you get higher resolution textures or better AA. Everyone gets it, a PC is capable of higher frame rates, better textures, better IQ, etc. but that still doesn't change the fact that many people just want to put a disc in a machine, sit back on the sofa, and play a game. They don't want to deal with windows, viruses, driver updates, incompatibilities, etc. They just want to play games.

Also, if you really want to get technical, the PC isn't a product...it's a line of products made of an infinite number of configurations. There is no single PC, and if going by Steam surveys is any indication, the majority of gaming PCs are garbage and most certainly would not favorably compare to a PS4 or Xbone. So it's pretty damn misleading to talk about how much better "the PC" is compared to a fixed platform that is better than the majority of computers out there. If you really wanted an honest discussion about it, which I doubt, you'd be comparing a $400 PC to the Xbone or PS4, but we all know that a $400 PC isn't going to compare favorably which is why it's always this generic "the PC is better" garbage.



You can't. The cheaper you get with PCs the louder, uglier and hotter you get and a $300-400 PC is just a piece of shit.



That's the only time they do count when it comes to consoles. I have a PC, the only consoles games I care about are ones I can't play on any other machine. So exclusivity becomes the determining factor into which console I purchase. If the majority of your best games on a console are also on the PC, I have no reason to purchase your console so bringing the PC up in that context is perfectly valid, unlike the PC master race crap that pops up in console threads.

You sir speak sense

Hate it when the "PC master race" has to be mentioned in every discussion on consoles.

Well Albert did talk about the difference being "maybe single-digit FPS between the two platforms" and so it looks like this matches with the statement in Edge's article

single-digit AND at a lower resolution?

 

[Skeff]

Is this just a wish of the bird, or is there something more we should be reading from this?

Because if it's the latter, idontbelieveyorulies.jpg

That's not the first time I've heard the bird talk about a 2 Ghz CPU, I've actually heard the phrase 2.4Tflop from him at some point though he did use the word optimistic.

Personally I would be surprised to see the PS4 finish (or even start) the Generation with 1.6/800 clocks.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

PS4 and Xbone are both running a custom 8 core AMD Jaguar, right?

 

[Vashetti]

It's already in production, that's not going to happen.

They can easily do it through a firmware update.

 

[jim2011]

Because it would still control your dvr without the remote, you wouldn't be able to snap it, but it would still control your dvr, and if they were able to get this going, I'm sure they could change the input on your tv too.

If I'm watching TV and say Xbox Sky sports 1 or TV Sky sports 1, it doesn't make a difference if my PS4 is on the same input as my Sky box or not, the point is the end result i the same, Software features are often copied from one device to another, the main differences that last throughout a generation are the hardware required features that can't be copied.

The hdmi pass through is a hardware feature that Sony did not copy (at least at launch).

What you suggest could theoretically be done very sloppily if Sony added an infrared blasted to ps4. As soon as it switches inputs though, gone is the ps4 interface and any means to visually get back to ps4.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

The only thing that matters to mainstream success here is the price difference, and Sony have that nailed down.

People talking about RAM and gpus and all that shit are the minority.

Guaranteed you go to gamestop or wherever else and ask normal customers about the power difference they either won't care or not understand it.

 

[Manmademan]

How does Kinect ir blasting work? I assume its blasting ir into the room that's then reflected back off walls and what not back towards the tv and a/v equipment?

Lol. no. an IR blaster is just a small device that duplicates infrared signals that would usually come from a remote. it plugs into the back of the Xbone, and in front of the IR sensor of whatever device you are looking to control.

It's been in use for decades now with lots of devices and works well. the tech is pretty mature. however it's limited to functions that a standard remote would be capable of.

 

[LittleJohnny]

One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer.

Wow. So considering optimization is harder on Xbone that means that things might be even worse for some games?

I don't think you're understanding...

As is the Xbox One requires more custom optimization because of its custom eSram setup. If you take a title like Call of Duty: Ghosts created on a PC with straight forward GDDR5 and drop it on Xbox One with no optimizations, it's going to run like shit given that the code needs to be rahauled to work with the move engines. And although the PS4 has it's own optimizations required, it's a lot closer and ready to run this same code that was originally made to run on GDDR5 with no eSram BS.

So yes, Xbox One will be a bit more of a headache for developers as working with a unified pool of GDDR5 is a lot easier and ideal for PC to console ports, however it does not mean that over time it will get worse, in fact just like PS3 things should get better as developers get used to it or MS provides even better tools to work with their custom design.

To address the question as to Why the hell did MS go with this design? Because they absolutely needed 8GB of ram, 4GB of GDDR5 would not have worked for them, heck I can't think of the PS4 with 4GB of GDDR5 total given the amount needed for the OS. The thing is Sony took a huge risk in betting that GDDR5's density would be ready to fit 8GB in the PS4 and their risk paid off.

The stars were aligned for Sony

 

[RobotRocker]

It seems some gambles simply do not pay off, but it's surprising that there is such a gap (though we have been hearing whispers of it leading up to now).

It would truly be sad to see anyone compromise their game for the weaker console or to achieve parity, so I seriously hope that is not the case.
I now expect quite a few 500 errors when that first DF article goes up...

Someone should go and ask John Carmack what he thinks

Rather unusual that someone in Carmacks position would say one thing and then "Anonymous Sources" another. I'm not seeing consistency here.

 

[Cidd]

If they do further testing and determine the thermal/TDP levels are adequate they certainly could.

But not every chip has the same TDP so that could be a problem.

 

[vasametropolis]

They can easily do it through a firmware update.

But they wouldn't. If they're already in the clear they might as well push reliability. A clock boost of that amount would probably not be worth it other than for bragging rights.

 

[Iacobellis]

Seeing Microsoft fumble this badly makes my inner fanboy smile.

You know, decisions like these really show that the Xbox name doesn't mean the same as what it did ten years ago.

 

[jim2011]

Lol. no. an IR blaster is just a small device that duplicates infrared signals that would usually come from a remote. it plugs into the back of the Xbone, and in front of the IR sensor of whatever device you are looking to control.

It's been in use for decades now with lots of devices and works well. the tech is pretty mature. however it's limited to functions that a standard remote would be capable of.

No he was right. The kinect blasts it off the walls.

That is also exactly what my crappy sony google tv does as well. It does it well too, it's just the rest of google tv that is crap.