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[vpance]

They won't be doing it to appease Microsoft, they will be doing it to protect their brand.

Think of it this way, if you went to two restaurants owned by the same people but one had consistently better food, what is to stop people who live next to the inferior restaurant from going all together? One restaurant has lines out the door, one restaurant closes down but revenues may be lower if they had just had similar quality food at both places.

Publishers want a consistent experience across all platforms so that they aren't known as the publisher that can't put out a decent product on one of the consoles (see: Bethesda with the PS3).

Nice analogy but as long as the better restaurant expands in size to make up for the other it's not really a problem. See PS2 era.

 

[RedAssedApe]

This is one odd article.

Opening paragraph:
"PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as “significant” and “obvious.”

Closing paragraph:
"The difference between cross platform launch window games will be small, and improved graphics drivers plus the power of the cloud might yet tip the balance in Xbox One’s favour. Nonetheless, at launch, PS4 will be the more capable console."

trying to be gaming journalist.
being gaming journalist requires access.

 

[beast786]

As far as I can tell, everything Albert has written has been along the correct lines.

I haven't seen anyone yet prove him wrong other than a mix up with peak bandwidth numbers.

mix up? he clearly stated his people told him in the office that max number was 218. And that it was not 204. yet every document and hotchip presentation shows 204.

So even now, no one knows is it 218 or 204?

also, what correct lines. he hasn't any of the basic math or critizing . Al, he said is see you in few weeks for the answer .

 

[Theecliff]

Oh good lordy the salt in this thread...

This thing has been an entertaining read for sure.


Honestly, anyone who thinks we won't see any differences between the two consoles at this point are absolutely inane.

 

[Whitechocolatekrispies]

People who want to bring PC's into this argument have to provide details on exactly what kind of PC (complete with keyboard and mouse, power leads, operating system etc) you can buy for $400 and how exactly it would perform against the PS4 and Xbone.

Because you know I could just buy Sony, AMD and Microsoft and build a console that is a billion times as powerful as anything you could ever put into a PC.

 

[anexanhume]

Someone should go and ask John Carmack what he thinks

Rather unusual that someone in Carmacks position would say one thing and then "Anonymous Sources" another. I'm not seeing consistency here.

What they don't mention in the same piece is that Carmack admitted he hadn't messed around with them. That shouldn't be surprising given Amadillo Aerospace and with Oculus taking up the majority of his time. Happens at 10:30.

 

[Green Yoshi]

if this is suppose to be impressive I am so glad I updated my pc.

PC wipes the floor with any console on graphical quality. Especially in the upcoming generation.

But Driveclub and Killzone look nice nevertheless.

I wonder if developers will use this advantage of the PS4, could hurt their Xbox One sales if the XBO version looks worse.

 

[RobotRocker]

So you think Edge are lying and risking a multi million pound lawsuit just for clicks? Who's going to sue Carmack?

That's a very quick assumption that I'm accusing Edge of lying. But I am pointing out that we have already heard one thing from a very well respected developer who has said he thinks both systems are near parity and in public while we now have an anonymous source telling Edge there is a 50% difference. Also Hideo Kojima has said similar to Carmack. That doesn't seem consistent and its worth noting compared to previous comments. That's all I wish to point out.

Though as for attracting a lawsuit. Future Publishing have done much stupider things regarding lying so go figure.

 

[beast786]

apparently no one is getting NFL sunday ticket this year. DirectTV declined to renew the deal.

it came with madden 25 anniversary edition. Who the hell would have subscribe it and pay 250$. They made a deal with EA and it turn out to be beat for consumers .

 

[SwiftDeath]

I do remember his post on a Sony Ram allocation thread which suggested it was Sony attempting the figures quoted but yeah, I suspect a lot of it is personal wish, heck its a lot of peoples personal wish, I'd gladly blow up my 2015 ps4 for a mysterious firmware upclock for a ps4 slim disguised as a beer-mat

haha yeah I'd do the same but I think a little bump up could happen

More likely for CPU than GPU though

Not really needed but would be nice regardless

apparently no one is getting NFL sunday ticket this year. DirectTV declined to renew the deal.

Yeah I don't watch football much so don't follow the access to it but it seems odd nothings been announced yet

it came with madden 25 anniversary edition. Who the hell would have subscribe it and pay 250$. They made a deal with EA and it turn out to be beat for consumers .

NFL exclusivity deals are crazy imo

Glad EA is standing up for your rights as consumers

They really are the greatest advocates of consumers in this day and age

Spoiler

I kid, please don't hurt me

 

[Iacobellis]

Guess you didn't really read the article, huh?
My deepest apologies to your inner fanboy

You actually believe in the Cloud? What about five billion transistors? Albert's RAM bandwidth calculations?

 

[Codeblew]

It's already in production, that's not going to happen.

Changing clocks can be done via firmware. The only question is if the system can handle it.

 

[TrojanBlade]

They won't be doing it to appease Microsoft, they will be doing it to protect their brand.

Think of it this way, if you went to two restaurants owned by the same people but one had consistently better food, what is to stop people who live next to the inferior restaurant from going all together? One restaurant has lines out the door, one restaurant closes down but revenues may be lower if they had just had similar quality food at both places.

Publishers want a consistent experience across all platforms so that they aren't known as the publisher that can't put out a decent product on one of the consoles (see: Bethesda with the PS3).

Devs/publishers almost always put on a superior version on the PC, that doesn't stop folks buying the inferior console versions does it if that's the only version they can buy? If folks only have a X1 they will buy that version no matter what. Same with PS4. Why not allow superior version on PS4 if possible (or vice versa if X1 version could be better)? X1 owners will still buy X1 version as thats all they can get.

 

[KAL2006]

After watching the new Drive Club footage. It seems PS4 games are quite a lot better than Xbox One. While Forza 5 has higher frame rate, it just looks like a upressed Forza 4, where as Driver Club looks like a generation ahead with it's lighting system. Also Killer Instinct being 720p is another reason why I think Xbox One is weaker, but it could just be the inexperienced outsourced developer making the game. Finally Killzone Shadow Fall looks to be amazing, especially now that we hear they are targetting 60FPS for multiplayer. And of course inFamous Second Son looks amazing.

Comparing Drive Club, inFamous Second Son and Killzone Shadow Fall to Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct, Ryse and Forza 5 has shown PS4 seems to have an advantage. Of course their are games like Knack, Project Spark and etc that don't really push the systems, but their main big budgeted titles are good showcases of what the systems are capable of.

 

[Vizzeh]

mix up? he clearly stated his people told him in the office that max number was 218. And that it was not 204. yet every document and hotchip presentation shows 204.

So even now, no one knows is it 218 or 204?

also, what correct lines. he hasn't any of the basic math or critizing . Al, he said is see you in few weeks for the answer .

One thing I haven't seen mentioned much is that does it REALLY matter if esram is 200+ GB/s as its irrelevant if bandwidth isn't being utilised. At the end of the day its the GPU's being fed (the GPU power) is the biggest factor here that will show the majority results and determine any cross comparison outcome (we already know the majority of the x1 bandwidth is from only 32mb vs a massive 8gb GDDR5 - it will be interesting to see what's being filled in that space)

 

[theviolenthero]

What does the huge water mark on your picture say?

It says the same thing every other XB1/PS4 game says, the game is in beta.

 

[Cat Party]

In a crowded marketplace where publishers are fighting for every dollar out there, I don't buy this crap about publishers making games look worse on purpose. Especially if the PS4 starts out with a clear edge in sales.

 

[93xfan]

Proof is in the pudding. PS3 was supposed to make 360 look like Xbox 1.5.

We all know how that turned out

That was hype, rather than developer input. plus, the PlayStation 3 was hard to develop for.

I expect higher resolutions and/or frame rates on many multi platform games and maybe some extra effects, but we will see...

 

[Binabik15]

This is one odd article.

Opening paragraph:
"PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as “significant” and “obvious.”

Closing paragraph:
"The difference between cross platform launch window gameswill be small, and improved graphics drivers plus the power of the cloud might yet tip the balance in Xbox One’s favour. Nonetheless, at launch, PS4 will be the more capable console."

Fixed.

Yes, MS might deliver the mother of all software and Sony might flub that side of development horribly, resulting in better performing games on Xbox. Is it likely? No.The raw power advantage looks way too big, even with multiplatform games that were mostly done on unfinished dev kits to changing retail specs.

 

[Garrett 2U]

You actually believe in the Cloud? What about five billion transistors? Albert's RAM bandwidth calculations?

It doesn't matter what I believe.
The article isn't portraying Microsoft fumbling badly at all or the Xbox brand hurting, in fact, it clearly says the Xbone could end up on top.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Say what you want about the gameplay of Ryse BUT the graphics are some of the best i've seen so far for next gen. Not better than Killzone imo, but damn close.

Full Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TRL8lLZe0Q&feature=youtu.be

Whoa that camera looks like shit.

 

[LittleJohnny]

This is one odd article.

Opening paragraph:
"PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as “significant” and “obvious.”

Closing paragraph:
"The difference between cross platform launch window games will be small, and improved graphics drivers plus the power of the cloud might yet tip the balance in Xbox One’s favour. Nonetheless, at launch, PS4 will be the more capable console."

If the drivers involve better handling the the eSRAM + Move engines setup, it won't sound too odd after reading Cerny's comment regarding the lower bandwidth solution + eDRAM.

Mark Cerny on the use of eDRAM:

The catch though, is that the on-chip memory would need to be very small, and each game team would need to develop special techniques in order to manage it.

To compare these two architectures, the one on the left has 176 gigabytes per second for any access, the one on the right 88 gigabytes per second if the data is in system memory or a thousand gigabytes per second if the data is in that tiny eDRAM. At first glance the architecture on the right looks far superior to the one on the left, and sure, it takes a while to figure out how to use it, but once you understand how to use that little cache of eDRAM, you can unlock the full potential of the hardware.

That's what the end of that article is explaining TMU.

 

[Canis lupus]

Say what you want about the gameplay of Ryse BUT the graphics are some of the best i've seen so far for next gen. Not better than Killzone imo, but damn close.

Full Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TRL8lLZe0Q&feature=youtu.be

That constant slow mo cinematic shit is so annoying, hope you can turn that off.

 

[IN&OUT]

Damn!!

Dead Rising would have been glorious @ 60FPS on PS4, Shame its struggling to achieve 30fps on X1.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

To be fair though, the PS4 is a very capable multimedia machine on its own

It will have all the usual streaming apps (hbogo and NFL TBD), Sony will undoubtedly implement the IPTV push onto it, and it even has some of those voice commands that kinect is known for (no idea how good or detailed they are though)

Only real multimedia it's missing is the HDMI IN and TV overlay

PS4 may not have snap but it will have instant-switching (or near instant switching) I'm fairly sure (correct me if I'm wrong)

Oh and also all those features aren't behind the pay wall and thus are more appealing to casuals who don't want MP

Honestly I can't recommend the XB1 to a casual simply due to so much being behind that paywall

It's ludicrous

However MS and Sony handle the paywall, it's about mind share and value. Whatever MS charges, if people believe in the service and are confident MS is on top of providing the latest and greatest, they will buy. That market moves quickly (the rise of Twitch- which Sony knew not to miss on), and MS is going to lead as they have been (Youtube, Twitter, Netflix, ESPN, NFL, etc). They don't need to have a monopoly on those features. They have Kinect, which is boring for gaming but something that will be a neat toy for the TV. There's a good chance MS is right about it.

 

[Xplatformer]

I laughed. All further jokes that I can make here would definitely be too inappropriate for any thread, lol.



The absolute price difference would only be truly relevant if both consoles offered the exact same experience. You have to at least concede that a part of the extra cost is toward the Kinect whether you want the device or not. People need to start arguing value instead of cost.

Isn't value perceived? Cost is..well, cost.

 

[Vizzeh]

It doesn't matter what I believe.
The article isn't portraying Microsoft fumbling badly at all or the Xbox brand hurting, in fact, it clearly says the Xbone could end up on top.

You may need quite a big internet bandwidth to fill the void in difference between the x1 + ps4 GPU for 'the cloud', discounting latency completely here. (You could prob start a small ISP with the bandwidth)

 

[HokieJoe]

It's a last case scenario. Some people store things in closed media cabinets. IR does not go through solid items.

That's not a big deal really. IR sensors that fit in with decor or install into furniture/etc are easy to come by. What's more, most people with a media closet won't even give that a bit a second thought.

 

[bishoptl]

Damn!!

Dead Rising would have been glorious @ 60FPS on PS4, Shame its struggling to achieve 30fps on X1.

Is this port begging?

Feels like port begging.

 

[MaulerX]

This is one odd article.

Opening paragraph:
"PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as “significant” and “obvious.”

Closing paragraph:
"The difference between cross platform launch window games will be small, and improved graphics drivers plus the power of the cloud might yet tip the balance in Xbox One’s favour. Nonetheless, at launch, PS4 will be the more capable console."

That's because Edge fore saw another 180 article and closed it in a way that gave them an out. BS click bait article imo.

 

[Freezie KO]

In a crowded marketplace where publishers are fighting for every dollar out there, I don't buy this crap about publishers making games look worse on purpose. Especially if the PS4 starts out with a clear edge in sales.

Microsoft has current contracts where some games must have feature parity on their consoles or they can't be released. If big publishers still want a piece of MS's closed platform or even a cut of Live, it's not completely far-fetched to assume that MS might want performance parity or something of the sort.

 

[Audible Phonetics]

I thought it was said cloud could only help in computing, not graphical fidelity

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

Whoa that camera looks like shit.

Doesn't have to be great when a game practically plays itself.

 

[PanicFreak]

Nice analogy but as long as the better restaurant expands in size to make up for the other it's not really a problem. See PS2 era.

You're not understanding the analogy. Some people can go to either one but most people will go to one or the other. The people living next to the inferior one will be left in the cold and stop going.

Publishers want marketshare on all platforms and a consistent experience helps establish brand recognition. Think of it like this: let's say that a person gets a PS4 and absolutely loves Battlefield. Now let's say that there is an Xbox One exclusive that they have to have but in order to buy it, they have to sell their PS4. What happens to that customer if EA chooses to make Battlefield on the Xbox One clearly inferior to the one they had been playing on the PS4?

They have likely lost that customer for the next couple of years. EA has incentive to offer comparable versions of its software on all platforms that can support its vision.

Plus, it is very unlikely that there will be another console with 80 percent marketshare again.

 

[IN&OUT]

Is this port begging?

Feels like port begging.

Yep?

EDIT: No ... ( shaking...fast heartbeat !!)

 

[Iacobellis]

It doesn't matter what I believe.
The article isn't portraying Microsoft fumbling badly at all or the Xbox brand hurting, in fact, it clearly says the Xbone could end up on top.

But drivers cannot simply make weaker hardware better than more powerful hardware.

 

[Garrett 2U]

You may need quite a big internet bandwidth to fill the void in difference between the x1 + ps4 GPU for 'the cloud', discounting latency completely here. (You could prob start a small ISP with the bandwidth)

sweet. what does this have anything to do with what I said?

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

Is this port begging?

Feels like port begging.

Do it.

Push the button.

 

[Carnby]

Has any of those developers invented DirectX? NO!

hehe. We need a David Letterman style list of Xbone's Biggest PR Boners. This might be number 1.

 

[Vizzeh]

sweet. what does this have anything to do with what I said?

I edited my post to include 'for the cloud' as I realised your second quote didn't mention it. It originally seemed out of context
- my point was that the cloud as quoted in the article would need a lot of bandwidth to come out on top.

 

[jim2011]

That's not a big deal really. IR sensors that fit in with decor or install into furniture/etc are easy to come by. What's more, most people with a media closet won't even give that a bit a second thought.

I agree. Just explaining what it was for to someone who didn't believe that kinect was an IR blaster.

 

[Prince Vultan]

Whoa that camera looks like shit.

lol, not nearly as shit as the animation and hit detection.

See the way the dude at the back starts bleeding before he's even hit? Or the way his leg just flies off when the player's sword didn't seem to go anywhere near his leg?

Clearly those processes must be cloud computed, and it wasn't switched on that day

 

[IN&OUT]

Do it.

Push the button.

C'mon man, why me

 

[PanicFreak]

Devs/publishers almost always put on a superior version on the PC, that doesn't stop folks buying the inferior console versions does it if that's the only version they can buy? If folks only have a X1 they will buy that version no matter what. Same with PS4. Why not allow superior version on PS4 if possible (or vice versa if X1 version could be better)? X1 owners will still buy X1 version as thats all they can get.

Put it this way: PCs have had the capability to run this next-gen's "revolutionary" game, whatever that may be, for the last few years now. So where is it?

Multiplat developers have held back the PC because the consoles exist.

 

[SwiftDeath]

However MS and Sony handle the paywall, it's about mind share and value. Whatever MS charges, if people believe in the service and are confident MS is on top of providing the latest and greatest, they will buy. That market moves quickly (the rise of Twitch- which Sony knew not to miss on), and MS is going to lead as they have been (Youtube, Twitter, Netflix, ESPN, NFL, etc). They don't need to have a monopoly on those features. They have Kinect, which is boring for gaming but something that will be a neat toy for the TV. There's a good chance MS is right about it.

Very very true

The average consumer isn't going to know about the paywall so at first it won't matter, not sure if it ever will but if MS wants this to be the defacto multimedia device casuals will quickly learn of the paywall if they're interested in the mutlimedia side more imo

The price tag is a bit high for either console to be the next big multimedia device imo

I agree that MS might have played their cards right overall but I have serious doubts that they did

We'll see though

At the end of the day I think everyone can agree that MS bet big on multimedia and we'll see how it pans out

 

[Nafai1123]

Microsoft has current contracts where some games must have feature parity on their consoles or they can't be released. If big publishers still want a piece of MS's closed platform or even a cut of Live, it's not completely far-fetched to assume that MS might want performance parity or something of the sort.

MS would be complete idiots to give exclusives to Sony this early in the generation just because the game doesn't perform as well on their hardware.

 

[Hockeymac18]

After watching the new Drive Club footage. It seems PS4 games are quite a lot better than Xbox One. While Forza 5 has higher frame rate, it just looks like a upressed Forza 4, where as Driver Club looks like a generation ahead with it's lighting system. Also Killer Instinct being 720p is another reason why I think Xbox One is weaker, but it could just be the inexperienced outsourced developer making the game. Finally Killzone Shadow Fall looks to be amazing, especially now that we hear they are targetting 60FPS for multiplayer. And of course inFamous Second Son looks amazing.

Comparing Drive Club, inFamous Second Son and Killzone Shadow Fall to Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct, Ryse and Forza 5 has shown PS4 seems to have an advantage. Of course their are games like Knack, Project Spark and etc that don't really push the systems, but their main big budgeted titles are good showcases of what the systems are capable of.

I don't know...I personally find Drive Club's visuals to be a bit lacking compared to Forza's. That isn't to say it isn't a good looking game (because it is), but I just don't see it being better looking visually. They're definitely doing some interesting and difficult things from a technical perspective, and I respect that...but I think that's reduced the game's ability to really shine graphically (at least compared to Forza).

Now, the PS4 does shine in many other games, though (KZ, Infamous are awesome looking), but I personally don't see Drive Club being one of PS4's shining stars at the moment. It's honestly just there to fill a spot in the launch lineup (every launch lineup needs a driving game...). It does look like a fun game, though.

And not to nitpick, but I think KI and Ryse look pretty sweet. Yea, I know KI is 720p, but I personally think it looks pretty awesome. And Ryse is visually stunning (first player). Whether it'll be a fun game remains to be seen, but it's definitely REALLY pretty. I don't think these games are any better than PS4 offerings; but I wouldn't say they're a level behind, that's for sure.

Dead Rising is in the same category as drive club, in my opinion. It looks pretty, but it's obviously being held back visually by all of the technical stuff they're trying to push (shitloads of zombies on screen, open world, etc.). It makes sense that it isn't the best looking game on the platform.

And just a minor point:
Using first party games to define the power of the system is so hard and problematic...there are so many variables. Who's to say that the same developers couldn't reach the same point on the other platform? I'm sure if Naughty Dog was an Xbox One developer, they'd be making that system shine. This is one reason I always disregard 1st party game comparisons...

As a scientist, the variables of the comparison just bother me too much that I can't get past it. Certainly won't stop fanboys from each side from doing it, though.

 

[Enordash]

Isn't value perceived? Cost is..well, cost.

Value is perceived, yes, but it's a more relevant argument in my opinion. Cost can certainly be a part of your decision of what to buy, but when you are arguing quality, you should be arguing with value.

 

[cyberheater]

Damn!!

Dead Rising would have been glorious @ 60FPS on PS4, Shame its struggling to achieve 30fps on X1.

What a load of shite. There is no way you can verify that. Pure fanboy crap.

 

[eddfromtheriver]

Has either Penello or Major come back to refute this further on NeoGAF or have they realized we use critical thinking and can't be bullshitted?

Technical fella is slow.