Yeah, I think W650A indicates the model line, despite the similar frame. I don't think that one's even sold in the US, just the KDL-32W650A. That one's not too expensive though.
IGN's impressions of PS4 Remote Play with KNACK on Vita [beautifull image, no lag]
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Here is another Remote Play video from TGS, entire demo of Knack, 12 minutes long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruxuZaYdJMw&hd=1
Looks great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruxuZaYdJMw&hd=1
Looks great.
Zatoichi's Cane
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Knack, Vita, VitaTV... Damn you Sony, I was just going to buy a PS4.
Graphics look as crisp as the the gameplay looks limited. Going from a Wonderful 101 session to this trailer is making me realize how talented Kamiya is.
Its ignored because Nintendo is not forcing off-TV gameplay on all games. The fact that Sony is forcing it is really impressive, and their solution works outside of house [with access to good net infrastructure]. Sure not everyone has Vita, but Sony is showcasing great faith in "unifying their hardware" like no other gaming manufacturer today.
RadarScope1
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Found this today...
Was this overlooked by all the other press? Or did this guy (and maybe a clueless Sony rep) mistake a charging cable for a connector?
Source: http://asia.cnet.com/hands-on-with-the-sony-playstation-vita-pch-2000-62222436.htm
Was this overlooked by all the other press? Or did this guy (and maybe a clueless Sony rep) mistake a charging cable for a connector?
Source: http://asia.cnet.com/hands-on-with-the-sony-playstation-vita-pch-2000-62222436.htm
Can someone with some better tech knowledge explain to me why people think this will work worse on a closed home network, then it does at a convention center like E3, gamescom, or TGS. My assumption would have been that if it were going to struggle it, it would be during these presentations as everyone is sharing the network at once. Wouldent it potentially perform even better in a closed network in a persons home?
Largely due to nintendos system requiring line of site with the base unit. Ps remote play is via WiFi
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Because W101 is a casual game aimed at little kids right?
They both use Wi-Fi iirc, but Nintendo's solution is proprietary.
But you have to stay in line of site with the base unit.... ie.. cant use it in another room from where the base unit is. So pretty much useless.. well......way less usefull the vita remoteplay
it will not work worse... as you say, it will work better because in these show environments they wont have one router per vita.
In general, it will work fine, it requires 4Mbs (At least internet gaikai does)... so if you have decent home wifi setup, it will work good.
DirgeExtinction
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Don't expos/cons have highly congested WiFi? If it's this smooth with hundreds of people on the WiFi network, I'm sure it'll work great with in-home WiFi.
Callibretto
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they're probably using direct wifi connection to the ps4, not via wireless router. in this setup, the closer you are to the ps4 the better
Zoramon089
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This isn't true at all...it does NOT require line of site for anything other than the TV remote functions
Betta Lines
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You are looking at a PS4 plugged into a tv and streaming to Vita via wi-fi. There is no tv-out on the new Vita.
There is however, a Vita TV, which is a non handheld Vita just for your tv.
Okay, seriously. Where's that Remote Play OT ? Remote Play needs to be sung to the goddram heavens.
All this talk about input lag and display lag and twitch gameplay and jaggies made me spend 4 hours going through my TV and tuning stuff. I can only imagine that it plays better now. On the other hand, I played ICO with my Vita and it has near instantaneous reaction timing. It might be faster than my PS3 + TV. I'm excited and I can't wait for this to get into someones hands that has some insane camera.
Callibretto
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Vita have many remote play setup, there's wifi direct, through local network with wifi router, and through internet.
wifi direct will be the most ideal for WiiU setup, your vita is close to the ps4, the further you go, the connection become worse.
through local wifi network will be ideal for playing in different room scenario, don't know how good this one will be, but it should work pretty well as long as your wifi signal is strong
Byakuya769
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Wha? GAF, is this true?
Gaikai
That makes no sense. There is nothing that is line of sight on PS4 OR Vita (like IR).
Edit: Oh, talking about Wii U. Still not true. It uses WiFi Direct (or possibly a customized protocol based on WiFi Direct). The range for that is poor, though, so although you DON'T have to be within sight of the Wii U, it doesn't work from very far away.
SolidSnakex
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They just played deep down with it on Sony's TGS stream.
I think he was referring to the Wii U gamepad.
Kibbles
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Apparently it some very fast Sony TV, currently they go to as low as 14-16ms of display lag. This one says:
"低遅延 0.1フレーム" = "low lag 0.1 frame"
How is 14-16ms good? My monitor is 2ms :s
Input lag on TVs is generally worse than monitors.
boredandlazy
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2ms on monitors is not the input lag measurement, its the measurement for how long it takes to turn a pixel from light to dark.
Shpeshal_Ed
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Just need a Vita price drop in AU and I'm in. A real price drop btw.
RadarScope1
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See, that's what I thought, too. But that means this journalist and the Sony rep here are both clueless.
spatenfloot
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It isn't one of those cables to keep people from stealing the Vita is it?
boredandlazy
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Or it's just the cable to keep the Vita powered.
spatenfloot
Member
yeah, that's what it looks like.
Define "real" cos we've had plenty of good sales on Vita. Blame yourself for not getting on them.
matrix-cat
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PS4 remote play is no doubt using the AMD h264 encoder which is real time and doesn't use up any of the GPU or CPU, which should reduce the lag by at least a bit.
I am making it, but we need to talk about when to post it. A month before PS4 is launched? Earlier?
edit - here is another remote play video, but this time with VitaTV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIpgCmsxNV8&hd=1
And one with Vita2000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4ap1rJCgmE&hd=1
twentytwo22
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I played this (that's actually me playing it in the RSG video above, and the video in the post just above this), and there was a router just to the right of the chair for this game (and this game only, as it was the only Remote Play setup in the area). I'm pretty sure that they weren't somehow using a wire for direct connection with the PS4 (which I'm not sure would be possible even on dev kits).
Even if it were a direct wire connection though I'd just have to hope many take a more GamePad-like approach to using the Vita: not JUST remote play, but using the Vita as a controller-with-a-screen. It's what'd make Watch Dogs on PS4 definitive for me, especially if input lag's that low even out of a semi-controlled setting like that.
Quotes like this are making me want to stop reading and posting on NeoGAF.
There was another nugget earlier: