This depends on so many things I don't even know where to start. You need to stop generalizing so much.
Could this be a "breakout" Holiday season for the Wii-U?
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This depends on so many things I don't even know where to start. You need to stop generalizing so much.
prankster101
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It's a generalization, but that's the whole point. A third party needs to factor in (around) 6 months to make a port of an existing game.
EDit: GTA V will be coming out on PC (maybe) in Q1 2014. That's about 5-6 months (max) from its original release. If Nintendo are "down with the program" (bad joke), then they should be looking to obtain some sort of port too. Because GTA V will cost less money to develop/port for the Wii U than Bayonetta 2, but will rake in considerable more sales.
That doesn't mean anything. Like I said it depends on so many things I don't even know why you feel like you need to state something like that. Of course it takes time and resources to make a port but 6 months isn't any kind of magic number.
Vanillalite
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Won't be a breakout, but with the launch lineup of next gen I kinda want to buy a Wii-U instead.
I expect the sales of consoles to go like this during the holidays X1/PS4>360/PS3>>>>Wii U.
Obviously the following doesn't mean it's the same everywhere, but I went in Wal-Mart with my daughter this past weekend and visited the electronics section to look for a blu-ray for her. While waiting for an associate I watched a line of 4 people put 3 Xbox 360s and a PS3 on layaway. I think the current gen consoles will outsell the Wii U.
I would love to pick up a Wii U. The day I get a new 3D Zelda and new original Mario is the day I get a Wii U. I'll pick up Wind Waker in the process too.
Obviously the following doesn't mean it's the same everywhere, but I went in Wal-Mart with my daughter this past weekend and visited the electronics section to look for a blu-ray for her. While waiting for an associate I watched a line of 4 people put 3 Xbox 360s and a PS3 on layaway. I think the current gen consoles will outsell the Wii U.
I would love to pick up a Wii U. The day I get a new 3D Zelda and new original Mario is the day I get a Wii U. I'll pick up Wind Waker in the process too.
flatearthpandas
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It's like a lifetime movie in here. Insincere and poorly acted understanding of others and personal growth along with unbearable repetition of old ideas.
The examples you mention aren't fair to make an argument like that, though. Zelda WW is a SD-to-HD Enhanced Port, so a lot of things had to be redone for it to be ported. Of course it would take longer.
Rayman Legends on PS360 and Vita was a last minute decision by Ubisoft, but the touch controls had to be redone entirely for them to work on those systems. This is why the Murfy levels kinda suck in the PS360 versions, they were made with the Wii U Gamepad in mind.
coinoperatedboy
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The king of this holiday will be the 3DS/2DS.
Wii U will see a bump, if they want to sustain said bump they must keep the games coming.
Nintendo has been expanding and we will see if they can keep the momentum going.
I don't think the Wii U is a bad console, I can see how they at the time of the development saw their DS and thought two screen gaming was the way to go.
The problem is that it isn't an instant and easy idea that everyone can understand in 5 mins of playing the thing.
I wish Nintendo did stuff regarding unified accounts and region locking, and some more OS features for chatting with mates.
Wii U will see a bump, if they want to sustain said bump they must keep the games coming.
Nintendo has been expanding and we will see if they can keep the momentum going.
I don't think the Wii U is a bad console, I can see how they at the time of the development saw their DS and thought two screen gaming was the way to go.
The problem is that it isn't an instant and easy idea that everyone can understand in 5 mins of playing the thing.
I wish Nintendo did stuff regarding unified accounts and region locking, and some more OS features for chatting with mates.
velvet_nitemare
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The PS4Bone will be supply constrained. They'll sell out whatever they ship, but how much will that be. PS360 will be cheap and plentiful with some good holiday/Black Friday deals. Not sure which will sell more.
Metallix87
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I haven't seen a Wii U commercial since December.
Devilgunman
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I'm not sure about Xbone but for PS4 that might not be the case. According to Pachter, Sony has been pumping out 1 million PS4 a month since September, which means there will be 2-3 millions PS4 in Nov and 3-4 millions by the end of the year. That's a lot of PS4 if you ask me.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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All I can say is that if Wii U owners don't go out on a shopping spree, it will indeed be a "breakout" for Nintendo.
Cornbread78
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If they can get that many PS4's out in the market before the holiday season, then there might not be a way for them to compete, however, all those PS4 are beign spread around the world here.....
prankster101
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I think if Nintendo can lower the price of the Premium to around £200 (before the next gen consoles launch), then they might have a shot at coming in at a respectable third. Shopto are selling the Zelda WW bundle for £200 at the moment. If this price point can be sustained, or even lowered to £180 (the sweet spot), then the Wii U will represent good value for money come the release of MK8.
Anyway, for those of you who want to know where to pick up a Wii U/Zelda pack for £200, the link is below:
http://www.play.com/stores/ShopTo/listing/865174495
Edit: a lower price point, together with the Mario game, would definitely deflect from some of the hype surrounding the PS4/XBone. And with Watch Dogs not coming out till next year now, unless Nintendo want to badly fcuk up (which they nearly always do), they will take advantage of this by positioning the Wii U to take advantage of the gap.
How many second chances does a company get? With Wii U, this Xmas is its second (and final) chance.
Anyway, for those of you who want to know where to pick up a Wii U/Zelda pack for £200, the link is below:
http://www.play.com/stores/ShopTo/listing/865174495
Edit: a lower price point, together with the Mario game, would definitely deflect from some of the hype surrounding the PS4/XBone. And with Watch Dogs not coming out till next year now, unless Nintendo want to badly fcuk up (which they nearly always do), they will take advantage of this by positioning the Wii U to take advantage of the gap.
How many second chances does a company get? With Wii U, this Xmas is its second (and final) chance.
Cornbread78
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It's funny how the media all of a sudden is jumping on board with this sediment. It seams more and more publications are predicting the Wii-U to do very well now....
Vlodril
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I do not think anyone will care at this point but we will see.
The WiiU has had the first software spur since launch, and with the launch software of both Ps4 and the Xone falling short, it's easy to see where the turn around in the media is coming from.
That said, the wiiU will get completely and utterly drowned out by the sheer nextGen hype surrounding the other two. I'm talking multi million launches for both ps4 and Microsoft by the end of november.
I'm actually thinking of buying one after telling myself I would never waste my money on a Nintendo console again.
Tempting factors..? Super Mario World U ofcourse, but also the fact I have never played Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 because I never got a Wii.
Is the "Wii Mode" any good? Do I get to access the Wii Virtual Console and buy games off it or is that not possible on the Wii U?
Tempting factors..? Super Mario World U ofcourse, but also the fact I have never played Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 because I never got a Wii.
Is the "Wii Mode" any good? Do I get to access the Wii Virtual Console and buy games off it or is that not possible on the Wii U?
New Nintendo ad material, probably a poster/leaflet:
Good
- Price
- Pack-ins
- Mario, Zelda, Pikmin
- Plays Wii games
Bad
- "TVii" is not a killer feature and isn't explained at all
- "Off-tv play" not explained
- Link's ballet pose
8/10
Nah I don't think so really. Even the ones you bolded. Super Mario 3D World is the most impactful of course, but I'm not sure I see it making much of a difference in terms of kid's "Wish lists" for christmas this late with PS4/X1 having the most excitement right now, that compared to every other device.
I think next year + next christmas will be the best for Wii U with Mario Kart 8/SSB, but who knows what will be out for X1/PS4 next year too. I'm sure Wii U will have some near surprises too though, so bring it on!
I think next year + next christmas will be the best for Wii U with Mario Kart 8/SSB, but who knows what will be out for X1/PS4 next year too. I'm sure Wii U will have some near surprises too though, so bring it on!
Prince Vultan
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I like how Nintendo are advertising a DLC pack as a seperate game in that ad.
It's closer to a separate game than DLC. Especially when you consider that your average consumer doesn't even know what DLC is and even if they are aware of the concept New Super Luigi U is closer to a new game than just any DLC.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo relaunches the Wii U in a year, replacing the Gamepad with a Pro Controller and dropping the price to $149.99, selling the Gamepad for $99.99 separately as an optional peripheral going forward from that point, with future games created to work entirely with the Pro Controller or the Wii Remote/Nunchuck combo.
Hell, they could even rename the system that way, and rename the Gamepad as the Wii U, and label games that require the Gamepad as Wii U games, and label those that don't as Wii 2/Super Wii games. That's probably going too far, though.
Point is, they have options, and, looking at the 2DS, they aren't afraid of uprooting their key selling points to drive down costs for the budget-minded consumer.
Hell, they could even rename the system that way, and rename the Gamepad as the Wii U, and label games that require the Gamepad as Wii U games, and label those that don't as Wii 2/Super Wii games. That's probably going too far, though.
Point is, they have options, and, looking at the 2DS, they aren't afraid of uprooting their key selling points to drive down costs for the budget-minded consumer.
LiveFromKyoto
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Because it is a separate game.
That's a limited run to appeal to casuals who don't know about the eShop, and as a bonus appeals to people that value retail.
It's not a separate game. It's $10 cheaper on the eShop, since it's DLC.
"Show off your skills in this downloadable content for New Super Mario Bros.™ U. With 82 new courses, it's almost an entirely new game!" ~ Nintendo Official Site
LiveFromKyoto
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Sigh...have you actually played it? It's a stand alone game from beginning to end, with its own title screen.
RobFox64tm
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I think the "hype" for PS4/Xbone is overblown. In the gamer scene, sure, no question, but outside that bubble I think Wii U might have a better chance this holiday than some people think.
What Nintendo has now is appealing games for the holiday, and appealing games for the first part of 2014 (Donkey Kong and Mario Kart 8), not to mention the best value proposition out of the three new systems. They also seemed to have picked up the pace on the marketing side of things, illustrating the above points clearer than they have in the months prior.
I'm not foolish enough to say Nintendo will win whatever "war" GAF claims this to be, but neither am I foolish enough to discount them entirely based on notions that carry little weight outside the hardcore community. We have to remember that kids and families are a huge part of the market; maybe even the biggest part, and it's not unreasonable to think they might be interested in the Wii U, especially when Nintendo seems to be actively targeting these demographics. Microsoft and Sony, on the other hand, don't seem interested, and that could become a problem in the long run.
What Nintendo has now is appealing games for the holiday, and appealing games for the first part of 2014 (Donkey Kong and Mario Kart 8), not to mention the best value proposition out of the three new systems. They also seemed to have picked up the pace on the marketing side of things, illustrating the above points clearer than they have in the months prior.
I'm not foolish enough to say Nintendo will win whatever "war" GAF claims this to be, but neither am I foolish enough to discount them entirely based on notions that carry little weight outside the hardcore community. We have to remember that kids and families are a huge part of the market; maybe even the biggest part, and it's not unreasonable to think they might be interested in the Wii U, especially when Nintendo seems to be actively targeting these demographics. Microsoft and Sony, on the other hand, don't seem interested, and that could become a problem in the long run.
Well, gee, I'll just ignore the exact thing Nintendo says it is and adopt what you say instead.
Is the game called Farts Mcgee too? I mean, if Nintendo doesn't even know their own game isn't DLC, how do they know the name?
Did you even read my post?
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
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I would say that MS and Sony just aren't interested at the moment, because their consoles cost a lot. We saw broader marketing by both companies in the later years of the 7th generation, so I doubt it'll be a problem in the long run.
LiveFromKyoto
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Did you even read the post I was replying to?
captmcblack
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All that needs to happen now is for the price to get disposably low, and for the games to keep coming.
I know the second I put a Wii U with Mario 3D World into my kid sister's bedroom, it's over for her and every friend she knows nearby as they start playing the thing. I imagine it will be similar this holiday season as more people get a taste of the thing, too. If they could somehow get to $250 with a game...
I know the second I put a Wii U with Mario 3D World into my kid sister's bedroom, it's over for her and every friend she knows nearby as they start playing the thing. I imagine it will be similar this holiday season as more people get a taste of the thing, too. If they could somehow get to $250 with a game...
SporeCrawler
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Any anecdotal evidence from retailers?
hypostatic
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It might as well be a whole new game. Nintendo should have just advertised it as such from the beginning. Man, they really need better business strategy...
ab.aeterno
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But can you quantify the chance into sales results predictions? I've seen others say the same thing (next-gen hype is limited to fanboys/core gamers, it won't do well, Nintendo will then it around) and then put out predictions including Nintendo beating both new systems this holiday. I've even seen a prediction of 8 mil WiiUs, and less than 2 mil each for PS4/Xbone. So when I hear talk of turn around, I am curious what that actually means.
DeuceGamer
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The Wii Mode catches some flak by some, but personally I don't have a problem with it. You can launch Wii Mode by clicking a button on the Wii U menu or you can hold down a button when the system is booting and it will boot straight to the Wii menu rather than the Wii U menu.
You can access the Wii eShop and Wii U eShop. Of course the Wii U Virtual Console games can be played on the Gamepad, so if it's released on the Wii U eShop you are better off picking it up there, IMO.
If you never had a Wii it's definitely worth looking into. Of course it's going to depend on what games you like personally, but never owning a Wii adds a ton of value to the Wii U, IMO. It also has some nice exclusives that you can't play anywhere else.
It's not MSRP but you can find a new bundle for under $300 and some retailers have $249 bundles (One is the Zelda Edition w WWHD). The ones I know of are Black Friday deals, but I'm sure there will be other deals available to pick it up under $300 with a game.
Cornbread78
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Well, shelves are clearing of them rather quickly because they are bare of XB1 and PS4 right now..
TrAcEr_x90
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Seems to me Nintendo follows alot of the same cycles with their consoles. The Wii U really seems like the gamecube era to me. Great console, great games but there wasn't enough innovation in the Wii U to captivate everyone. Which makes me excited to see what comes next from Nintendo. Next console should be something really creative in line with the Wii.
FreedomFighter
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Hardcore gamers will buy a Wii U. People aren't going to pass up SM3DW, DKC:TF, Bayo 2, etc. The dudebros are a lost cause for sure though. GAF enthusiasts who are more mature than to NOT play Mario because it's "kiddy" will pick up a Wii U, at least as a second console.
megabytecr
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3DS will be the king.
I hope Wii U starts turning around this holiday but I still dont expect huge numbers, but I do hope I am wrong.
Next holiday 2014 is when the Wii U will sell a whole lot more.
I hope Wii U starts turning around this holiday but I still dont expect huge numbers, but I do hope I am wrong.
Next holiday 2014 is when the Wii U will sell a whole lot more.
RobFox64tm
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I can't give hard numbers because that market is less predictable than that of the hardcore games market. Never once in my post did I say anything definatively, so I'm not trying to claim what I say as fact. I'm just trying to add some rationality to the conversation; that the situation is not as black and white as some Gaffers might think. I can only guess based on what I see happening right now.
I will say this though; PS4 will likely sell through its stock this holiday. Xbone may as well, but it doesn't seem as likely to me given the price when compared to other options available. Even still, there will only be so much stock to go around, and inherently, both companies are limited by that. Wii U coming in at a cheaper price, with a better game library, and not retrained by stock issues can potentially take advantage of that, but again, that's just speculation. The broader consumer base could very well ignore everything and the console as we know it will slowly die while inflated development cost begin to out weigh the profit margins. Who knows?
FreedomFighter
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I think Wii U might surprise some people this holiday season. I think it's poised to do well in the US. We'll see though.
EventHorizon
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I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo relaunches the Wii U in a year, replacing the Gamepad with a Pro Controller and dropping the price to $149.99, selling the Gamepad for $99.99 separately as an optional peripheral going forward from that point, with future games created to work entirely with the Pro Controller or the Wii Remote/Nunchuck combo.
Hell, they could even rename the system that way, and rename the Gamepad as the Wii U, and label games that require the Gamepad as Wii U games, and label those that don't as Wii 2/Super Wii games. That's probably going too far, though.
Point is, they have options, and, looking at the 2DS, they aren't afraid of uprooting their key selling points to drive down costs for the budget-minded consumer.
Agreed. At this point Nintendo consoles are viewed only as a Nintendo game delivery system. The rise in importance of the third party games combined with this has devalued their systems. They need to accept reality and put out the lowest priced system possible, and compete on cost along with the Nintendo brand. Once Nintendo can get their console in a home they should have no problem selling their games on it. The tricky part is that first step. The WiiU or successor needs to be at an impulse buying level price.
There will be an uptick in the numbers sold and the percent increase will be impressive. However that will only be because of the anemic level of sales up to this point. The PS4 and XB1 will be THE hot items this season. The best the the WiiU can hope for is to scavenge off of the increased demand caused by the big two while their availability is low.
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