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[boredandlazy]

Thank you guys for your help. It's mostly noticeable during night time. Tried to play a bit of PES now, during daytime, and it's a little noticeable. My gf says she can't see it in most games, but she saw it now. Called the shop, they say they will send a technician to verify the problem, and if it's verified they will bring me another tv. My only fear is that they give me something worse, but from what I gathered, I will have both tvs here, so that means I can test the "new" one before they take the other away. If it's worse i might just settle for what I have right now. It's really a stupid lottery.

Never owned a LCD bigger than 32", maybe that's why I never noticed any of these problems before. Maybe it's not reason to worry, but it's better to be overzealous sometimes.

Thanks

When the techy comes and it pays to have a gray image handy like you have, I also change the settings a bit(ie. Make the picture darker) to accentuate the problem. Also as you know using a first person shooter in a darkish level as well to test is a good way to show the issue.

 

[PnCIa]

I read up on this after running into issues. You CAN NOT calibrate a tv for gaming because the gaming industry NO video standards. Different games will show slightly different colors on your tv.

Note: In the video they say that the process of calibration is to get the TV to look the same as the screen the movie makers are looking at when they mastered the movie. This works because ALL movie makers use the same standard for all of the monitors they use.

At best game developers keep all of their internal monitors the same per company but the colors and brightness will change per developer. You will drive your self into madness changing tv settings for every game you play.

I have been wondering about this for a while now, i am mostly a gamer and i calibrate all my devices regularly.
Can you back this up in some way? I cant imagine that they are not at least using some adobe standard...everyone working with a gamma of 2.2 or something like that.

 

[WHOAguitarninja]

Wouldn't any HDMI port suffice for hooking up a PC as long as the PC supports HDMI?

Yeah, he's intending to run HDMI fun the PC to it. However it looks like he needs 6 HDMI inputs, which is more than any TV I know of.

 

[CoG]

I have been wondering about this for a while now, i am mostly a gamer and i calibrate all my devices regularly.
Can you back this up in some way? I cant imagine that they are not at least using some adobe standard...everyone working with a gamma of 2.2 or something like that.

I don't think this is true. When you calibrate your TV you're setting the greyscale and color balance so basically white is represented by pure white. That's going to apply whether you're watching films or playing games. It's when you use preset modes like vivid and movie that the picture is colored to be cooler or warmer.

If you're able to calibrate your TV perfectly you're see exactly what the director wanted you to see on the Blu-ray and what the devs wanted you to see in the game. It's the same as some headphones having bass boost which colors the sound while cans with flat frequency responses give you the pure audio as it was engineered.

 

[giantsx6]

I only got my W900 yesterday, but GTA V looks fucking awesome to my eyes. I still haven't messed around too much with the settings either.

The jaggies look really bad, especially when driving.

 

[Omlagus]

I don't think this is true. When you calibrate your TV you're setting the greyscale and color balance so basically white is represented by pure white. That's going to apply whether you're watching films or playing games. It's when you use preset modes like vivid and movie that the picture is colored to be cooler or warmer.

If you're able to calibrate your TV perfectly you're see exactly what the director wanted you to see on the Blu-ray and what the devs wanted you to see in the game. It's the same as some headphones having bass boost which colors the sound while cans with flat frequency responses give you the pure audio as it was engineered.

It's true to a certain extent. When you are calibrating a tv, you are setting it to Rec. 709, which is an HD video standard. Making your display reproduce the film director's intent as much as possible.

For gaming there's no real direct equivalent, and a lot of the time there will be stylistic choices that wouldn't necessarily look the same if you played on a Rec. 709 calibrated display.

But even saying that, I still think there is benefit to gaming on a calibrated display, even if it is not perfectly duplicating the monitors used by the devs.

 

[muddream]

I can get a ST60 (42") from a non-shifty retailer for 600€. The problem is I haven't been following the market the last few years since I won't have a use for a TV until the beginning of 2014. Is this a "too good to pass on" deal or can I wait until after X-Mas/CES and expect something similar? How does the Panasonic yearly cycle work in terms of price & availability?

 

[Chumpion]

I like to calibrate everything by eye, with movies and a few test patterns. I live in the North, so I prefer a somewhat cool color temperature. Since I didn't like the way my current plasma rendered saturated reds, I also went for a slightly pastel style. To my eye the colors integrate better that way.

What I'm saying is, you're the only one who can judge your TV's image quality, so don't be afraid to experiment.

 

[Ateron]

When the techy comes and it pays to have a gray image handy like you have, I also change the settings a bit(ie. Make the picture darker) to accentuate the problem. Also as you know using a first person shooter in a darkish level as well to test is a good way to show the issue.

Yeah, I will try Far Cry 3, as it was the biggest offender no doubt. Will make a savefile just before the "right" conditions are met and I'm sure the guy will notice it. He would have to be blind not to. Whether or not it bothers his eyesight is another question, it's subjective. But I'm sure he will see what I see. If the replacement tv is better, excelent. If it's worse or the guys make a fuss about maybe I'll stick with the one I have. It's not noticeable on all games, but on a few it's very distracting.

I will lower the brightness too, to make it pop out more. Thank you very much for the advices, I hope I can convince them that the problem is there, and hopefully the replacement tv will be better.

 

[chunk3rvd]

Finally grabbed myself a Panasonic plasma at the weekend. Have been running slides ever since and the wait until I can use it is killing me! Just wondering - I'm going to grab the Disney World of Wonder Blu-Ray for calibration and the pixel flipper tool. I the 2 disc version worth paying the extra for or should I just get the single disc? From the Amazon page it looks like the 2nd disc is just a bunch of nature videos to show off your TV

 

[Hawk269]

I am getting this delivered within the next 2 hours today! Cannot wait!

Quick Spec Summary (more in the links below):

•4K 60p Input
•HDMI 2.0 (4K 60p Input)
•DisplayPort™ (4K 60p Input)
•4K Media Player
•4K Fine Remaster Engine
•4K Web Browser
•4K Online Playback

 

[Haint]

I have been wondering about this for a while now, i am mostly a gamer and i calibrate all my devices regularly.
Can you back this up in some way? I cant imagine that they are not at least using some adobe standard...everyone working with a gamma of 2.2 or something like that.

There is an old Black Rock Studio interview (Pure developer) where they said they tailored output levels to a typical Walmart Vizio (which were God awful at the time), cause that's what most people had. The 360 has an intentionally and significantly perverted gamma cause some focus group apparently told MS the crushed shadow detail looked better. Any studio that knows what they're doing will assume SRGB/Rec709 and 2.2, but it's not universal. Best you can do is calibrate to that and hope for the best.

 

[Loakum]

I am getting this delivered within the next 2 hours today! Cannot wait!

Quick Spec Summary (more in the links below):

•4K 60p Input
•HDMI 2.0 (4K 60p Input)
•DisplayPort™ (4K 60p Input)
•4K Media Player
•4K Fine Remaster Engine
•4K Web Browser
•4K Online Playback

wow, that's toooo rich for my blood. Enjoy your new 4K tv.

 

[Faustek]

I am getting this delivered within the next 2 hours today! Cannot wait!

Quick Spec Summary (more in the links below):

•4K 60p Input
•HDMI 2.0 (4K 60p Input)
•DisplayPort™ (4K 60p Input)
•4K Media Player
•4K Fine Remaster Engine
•4K Web Browser
•4K Online Playback

Same TV I've been looking at but I'm still on the fence, haven't seen a "trusted" source really try this out for 4k gaming or upscaled "current" gen gaming.

I expect you will be informing us how it works out

 

[MikeE21286]

I am getting this delivered within the next 2 hours today! Cannot wait!

Quick Spec Summary (more in the links below):

•4K 60p Input
•HDMI 2.0 (4K 60p Input)
•DisplayPort™ (4K 60p Input)
•4K Media Player
•4K Fine Remaster Engine
•4K Web Browser
•4K Online Playback

Holy hell man, what did that cost? (if you don't mind me asking)

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

I am getting this delivered within the next 2 hours today! Cannot wait!

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh596/Stateless269/TC-L65WT600_2_700f.png

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh596/Stateless269/phpfwu3zr.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh596/Stateless269/Panasonic-WT600-4K-Ultra-HD-TV-3gr.jpg

Quick Spec Summary (more in the links below):

•4K 60p Input
•HDMI 2.0 (4K 60p Input)
•DisplayPort™ (4K 60p Input)
•4K Media Player
•4K Fine Remaster Engine
•4K Web Browser
•4K Online Playback

5499.99 I hope you enjoy it.

 

[Bruno]

I just got my Sony W900A 2 days ago and holy crap is that TV impressive. I was amazed to find out the TV also supports SimulView which I wasn't expecting. I seriously hope Sony advances this technology to a point where it's flawless because it's far better than playing split screen.

 

[Hawk269]

Holy hell man, what did that cost? (if you don't mind me asking)

With taxes and warranty close to $6500.00. As I type, I am doing the firmware update on the set. 1st impression from cable hd feed is really good. This Panasonic is replacing a Sony XBR-X900A 65" 4k set which I loved, but the Panasonic has DisplayPort 1.2a which allows me to use my gaming computer at 4k/60fps and it has HDMI 2.0 built in.

I was watching ESPN HD on the Sony right before the Best Buy delivery guys showed up and watching the same channel the Panasonic already to me looks a bit better than the Sony. Colors are more accurate and motion seems a bit smoother.

I will provide more detail and impressions a bit later. Also to the other user, I am definitely testing Xbox 360/PS3 & PC Gaming on this set. I thought the Sony did a fantastic job at up scaling and from what I read the Panasonic's up scaling is supposed to be better. Will let you know a soon as I test it out.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Finally saw the W900a in the flesh today – it does live to the reputation of amazing picture quality. It was sitting next to it's 4K big brother and bar the resolution difference, the image had the same sharp, luminous quality. I'm sold.

Well, there is hardly any 4K content, and honestly I do not think there will be much for a long while. W900A is without a doubt one of the best 55" displays out there.

 

[SnakeXs]

Thank you, your order has been placed.

65" VT60. *gulp*

Bit the bullet. Oh Lord what have I gotten myself into.

Next step, DN1040 and Absolute 5.1T.

 

[Rur0ni]

65" VT60. *gulp*

Bit the bullet. Oh Lord what have I gotten myself into.

Next step, DN1040 and Absolute 5.1T.

I got this receiver in last week, hooking it up today.

 

[kurbaan]

So have the 47" LG led 3dtv but thinking of upgrading to a 55-60".

what do you guys reccomend? Don't care about 4k but I do want a smart TV. Pretty happy with LG as well so might just get a bigger LG but wanna know if there are any good alternatives.

Not over 1k price though.

 

[MidgarBlowedUp]

It's true to a certain extent. When you are calibrating a tv, you are setting it to Rec. 709, which is an HD video standard. Making your display reproduce the film director's intent as much as possible.

For gaming there's no real direct equivalent, and a lot of the time there will be stylistic choices that wouldn't necessarily look the same if you played on a Rec. 709 calibrated display.

But even saying that, I still think there is benefit to gaming on a calibrated display, even if it is not perfectly duplicating the monitors used by the devs.

I can always tell a huge difference myself especially with big budget games.
I assume most good devs will have their displays calibrated when making the game anyway, especially those doing the texture and artwork. I know that some games even get THX certification, or may go through some other process to ensure calibration. But even without any of that, you still end up having the output of the console to deal with. PC and PS are normally sRGB so calibration is important, but Xbox360 has linear gamma which is awful looking on a calibrated sRGB display. Jaggies also tend to bother me less on a calibrated display vs one that isn't calibrated. I'm assuming it's because you get less black and RGB crush, which ends up giving you better color resolution.

 

[SnakeXs]

I got this receiver in last week, hooking it up today.

Tell me everything.

 

[Omlagus]

I can always tell a huge difference myself especially with big budget games.
I assume most good devs will have their displays calibrated when making the game anyway, especially those doing the texture and artwork. I know that some games even get THX certification, or may go through some other process to ensure calibration. But even without any of that, you still end up having the output of the console to deal with. PC and PS are normally sRGB so calibration is important, but Xbox360 has linear gamma which is awful looking on a calibrated sRGB display. Jaggies also tend to bother me less on a calibrated display vs one that isn't calibrated. I'm assuming it's because you get less black and RGB crush, which ends up giving you better color resolution.

You're right about some games having THX certification, but that is more the exception that the norm.

As for jaggies, a bigger factor would be sharpness. Most people would have this set way too high, which will tend to accentuate aliasing. During a calibration, the sharpness will be set correctly, which would help this somewhat.

 

[CoG]

Finally got to see Gravity this weekend. Day one 3D Blu-ray for my PS4 + ST60. Can't wait.

 

[Rur0ni]

Tell me everything.

As soon as I can.

I'll play with a few things. I've become a bit of a Sony slut (PS3, Vita, W900A, DN1040, PS4 Incoming).

 

[Lo-Volt]

So have the 47" LG led 3dtv but thinking of upgrading to a 55-60".

what do you guys reccomend? Don't care about 4k but I do want a smart TV. Pretty happy with LG as well so might just get a bigger LG but wanna know if there are any good alternatives.

Not over 1k price though.

The two LG models I saw that meet your criteria are both a little out of your price range: the 55LA6200/6205? and 55LA6900/6970? are both 55-inch smart LED models but are going for something like $1,200 on Amazon. A version of the LA model showed up for a little less on Newegg. (I own a smaller 2012 LG unit and obviously can't provide any personal anecdote on these models, anyway. But I have the feeling from this thread that you'll be steered away from LG if you're still prone to persuasion on this issue.)

 

[garath]

So have the 47" LG led 3dtv but thinking of upgrading to a 55-60".

what do you guys reccomend? Don't care about 4k but I do want a smart TV. Pretty happy with LG as well so might just get a bigger LG but wanna know if there are any good alternatives.

Not over 1k price though.

55-60 not over 1k?

I just bought this:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B59NX54/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I love it. LG's latest round of TVs haven't had the best input lag numbers. This TV is pretty decent for the price. It's no Sony but it has a great pricetag for what you get. I think it's around 40ms. I certainly can't tell the difference when it's on game mode. Regular mode forget about it. Lag through the roof.

 

[Lo-Volt]

55-60 not over 1k?

I just bought this:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B59NX54/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I love it. LG's latest round of TVs haven't had the best input lag numbers. This TV is pretty decent for the price. It's no Sony but it has a great pricetag for what you get. I think it's around 40ms. I certainly can't tell the difference when it's on game mode. Regular mode forget about it. Lag through the roof.

For my own edification, I checked displaylag.com but didn't see a big sample of LG models from 2012 or 2013 (a few model lines didn't appear at all, including mine). Any suggestion on where to find a better list or did you consider displaylag a representative sample?

 

[kurbaan]

The two LG models I saw that meet your criteria are both a little out of your price range: the 55LA6200/6205? and 55LA6900/6970? are both 55-inch smart LED models but are going for something like $1,200 on Amazon. A version of the LA model showed up for a little less on Newegg. (I own a smaller 2012 LG unit and obviously can't provide any personal anecdote on these models, anyway. But I have the feeling from this thread that you'll be steered away from LG if you're still prone to persuasion on this issue.)

Well i do have a Amazon gift card lol so only 150 over budget lol. I'm not dead set on LG i just found their TV to be pretty nice with the Netflix app and stuff. If there are better models I'm pretty open.

When I first bought this TV i didnt really do any research just saw it on a sale and ended up getting it.

55-60 not over 1k?

I just bought this:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B59NX54/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I love it. LG's latest round of TVs haven't had the best input lag numbers. This TV is pretty decent for the price. It's no Sony but it has a great pricetag for what you get. I think it's around 40ms. I certainly can't tell the difference when it's on game mode. Regular mode forget about it. Lag through the roof.

Hmm this one looks nice and under a grand.

 

[Bill Rizer]

Calibrated displays are set generally to a white point of 6500K for cinema reproduction and that's almost always wrong for gaming, making for a way too warm and dull picture.

Games historically always used a cool color temperature (9300K) as it's been part of the Japanese ntsc specifications and still is part of their hdtv standard. Arcade games as well have always been shipped with 9300K precalibrated monitors.

With hdtv-era, western-developed games things could be different, though. "Cool" temperature setting on my Panasonic plasma, anyway, gives optimum color rendition closely matching that of my crt displays in games ranging from Mame 80s arcades and Nes games through most recent outputs.

 

[Omlagus]

Calibrated displays are set generally to a white point of 6500K for cinema reproduction and that's almost always wrong for gaming, making for a way too warm and dull picture.

Games historically always used a cool color temperature (9300K) as it's been part of the Japanese ntsc specifications and still is part of their hdtv standard. Arcade games as well have always been shipped with 9300K precalibrated monitors.

With hdtv-era, western-developed games things could be different, though. "Cool" temperature setting on my Panasonic plasma, anyway, gives optimum color rendition closely matching that of my crt displays in games ranging from Mame 80s arcades and Nes games through most recent outputs.

I've honestly never heard of a 9300K white point for arcade games. Could see maybe doing that for retro games if you are trying to more closely replicate the look of an arcade cabinet CRT. I know hardcore B&W film buffs will frequently have a calibration profile set to more closely match the old tungsten projector lamps, which I believe were closer to 5300K.

With modern tv's frequently allowing multiple settings memories, there's no reason you couldn't do one specifically for 9300K. Personally I'm not sure how great that would look for most modern games, but I can imagine could work well for retro games if they are using that temperature for the white point.

 

[Lo-Volt]

Well i do have a Amazon gift card lol so only 150 over budget lol. I'm not dead set on LG i just found their TV to be pretty nice with the Netflix app and stuff. If there are better models I'm pretty open.

I bet you'd find better smart TV operating systems than LG's. I like my unit's Netflix app, but the Hulu app is forgetful of login credentials and the YouTube app is a sin. Maybe they've improved since 2012? And if you stick with LG this time around, I think you'll find most of their smart units will have a dual-core processor, but make sure you don't pick up some stray single-core unit.

 

[ReMaKe]

If you're playing CoD online you may want to skip the ST60, the input lag is about double that of the S60. I think competitive online is one place it will be noticed or at least leave you at a disadvantage.

Now for quality, check out this thread. It directly compares the ST60 to the S64, which is a S60 with an anti-glare filter so it's a pretty good gauge of ST60 vs S60.

Thanks for the link.
I've decided to waste a little extra and go with the vt60.

For anyone who has brought tv's on black Friday, how much do panasonic tv's go down by? 10%?
Should I just get it now, or wait? Not in any hurry.

 

[AlanzTalon]

55-60 not over 1k?

I just bought this:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B59NX54/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I love it. LG's latest round of TVs haven't had the best input lag numbers. This TV is pretty decent for the price. It's no Sony but it has a great pricetag for what you get. I think it's around 40ms. I certainly can't tell the difference when it's on game mode. Regular mode forget about it. Lag through the roof.

I have had my eye on this set, up against an ST60.

 

[SnakeXs]

As soon as I can.

I'll play with a few things. I've become a bit of a Sony slut (PS3, Vita, W900A, DN1040, PS4 Incoming).

Even though my new speakers won't get here until next weekish (same with the VT60), I got antsy and bought mine today. Connected to my old 5.0 setup. Can't judge the audio at all but the fit and finish of the physical hardware and software are so nice thus far.

 

[See You Next Wednesday]

Thank you guys for your help. It's mostly noticeable during night time. Tried to play a bit of PES now, during daytime, and it's a little noticeable. My gf says she can't see it in most games, but she saw it now. Called the shop, they say they will send a technician to verify the problem, and if it's verified they will bring me another tv. My only fear is that they give me something worse, but from what I gathered, I will have both tvs here, so that means I can test the "new" one before they take the other away. If it's worse i might just settle for what I have right now. It's really a stupid lottery.

Never owned a LCD bigger than 32", maybe that's why I never noticed any of these problems before. Maybe it's not reason to worry, but it's better to be overzealous sometimes.

Thanks

Don't get stuck with a defective product, check their return policy & make sure they won't charge you a refurbishing fee.

Better to return it & get a new brand instead.

 

[Unstable]

I've been looking for a TV for my Dad's birthday. He plays sports games so input lag is important. I'm looking for 70" TV for about 2k ish.

I've found this http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KDL-70R550A-70-Inch-120Hz-Internet/dp/B00AWKBZKC

I can go 65" if I can get an overall better TV for the money.

Any suggestions GAF?

 

[Salz01]

55-60 not over 1k?

I just bought this:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B59NX54/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I love it. LG's latest round of TVs haven't had the best input lag numbers. This TV is pretty decent for the price. It's no Sony but it has a great pricetag for what you get. I think it's around 40ms. I certainly can't tell the difference when it's on game mode. Regular mode forget about it. Lag through the roof.

I've been eyeing that Panny E60. You still happy with it? I won't get buyers remorse?

 

[littlepooch21]

I've been eyeing that Panny E60. You still happy with it? I won't get buyers remorse?

I know it's a little out of your price range but I just got an LG 7400 for round $1200 for the 55 inch. Good input lag and good picture.

 

[Flunkie]

I've been looking for a TV for my Dad's birthday. He plays sports games so input lag is important. I'm looking for 70" TV for about 2k ish.

I've found this http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KDL-70R550A-70-Inch-120Hz-Internet/dp/B00AWKBZKC

I can go 65" if I can get an overall better TV for the money.

Any suggestions GAF?

S60? I jsut got my 50 inch and love it. They have a 65.

 

[Trojita]

I might be able to get a Pioneer Kuro 151fd Elite for a semi decent price locally. My Pioneer 5020FD broke during a move 2 years ago.

Only thing I'm worried about is 1. Redoing my finances to try and accommodate this purchase. 2. The fact that it won't do 3D. 3. The potential of it breaking on the drive home.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[54-46!]

Anyone who owns a Sony W6? I've read good things about them so I'm thinking about getting the 42W653 or 50W656.

 

[Grassy]

The jaggies look really bad, especially when driving.

I'll have to check it out more closely. I'm running in Game mode and I think I reduced the Sharpness setting from 60 to 30 but other than that I haven't touched much else.

Speaking of which, does anyone know of any websites/forums I can get some good base settings for the Sony W900A?

Cheers.

 

[garath]

For my own edification, I checked displaylag.com but didn't see a big sample of LG models from 2012 or 2013 (a few model lines didn't appear at all, including mine). Any suggestion on where to find a better list or did you consider displaylag a representative sample?

I'm going by reviews from lcdbuyingguide and cnet mostly. Displaylag doesn't have a very large database at all unfortunately.

Hmm this one looks nice and under a grand.

I have had my eye on this set, up against an ST60.

I've been eyeing that Panny E60. You still happy with it? I won't get buyers remorse?

I like the E60 a lot. I researched TVs for about a month and a half before deciding on it. I wanted to stay around 1k in price though I was willing to go up to $1500 if I really saw a strong jump in either size or picture quality. Unfortunately I didn't find any TVs that offered a compelling enough reason to jump the price. The panny gave me 8" over my old TV, a great picture quality (it goes head to head against any LCD TV up to 1500 for a similar size), and decent input lag. I'm not much of a console gamer, I do most of my gaming on PC but I do enjoy good performance when I do play.

Obviously an ST60 has an unrivaled picture quality. No LCD under 2k will beat that. However, I have a brighter room and no desire to baby the TV like I would be compelled to with a plasma. Also that input lag was a deal breaker. It's just too high.

I am very pleased with the picture quality. The uniformity is good, very little LCD typical issues (clouding, DSE, backlight bleed), nothing noticeable during normal everyday TV watching. I did try to watch a movie at night with all the lights turned out and saw the LCD poor black level but this was literally the first time I've seen any poor black levels from this TV. 95% of the time I am incredibly pleased with the picture, contrast, blacklevels and brightness. I do not think there is a better deal under $1500.

If I had an unlimited budget, it'd be a different ballgame but priorities change and I can't drop $2k+ on a TV again. Plus I couldn't imagine going smaller than what I have. Over the years, size is going to be one of the most important qualities of the TV.

I'll have to check it out more closely. I'm running in Game mode and I think I reduced the Sharpness setting from 60 to 30 but other than that I haven't touched much else.

Speaking of which, does anyone know of any websites/forums I can get some good base settings for the Sony W900A?

Cheers.

CNET is a great resource for some quick calibration settings. Find the review for the W900A and there will be a link in it to the reviewer's settings.

 

[Joeki11a]

Post deals people

 

[Joeki11a]

You're right about some games having THX certification, but that is more the exception that the norm.

As for jaggies, a bigger factor would be sharpness. Most people would have this set way too high, which will tend to accentuate aliasing. During a calibration, the sharpness will be set correctly, which would help this somewhat.

I hate when people think fuzzing up the PQ mesns "jaggies are gone", stop that nonsense.

Face it if the game has garbage AA it will be bad no matter if you put sharpness down to zero, leav sharpness in a spot where it still delivers clearness to the PQ without seeing outlines, dont fuzzy up the PQ thats dumb.

 

[haveheart]

Anyone got some experience with the Sony 42" W650/655?

The HDMI Input on my XV501p doesn't work anymore, so I'm looking for a good and affordable TV for nextgen.

The Sony is about 580€ here in Germany and got very postive reviews.

I also found a really cheap alternative: The Toshiba 39L4353DB. This one is at 350€-400€ at the moment.

 

[methane47]

Any one have any opinion on this Vizio?

http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-E601i-A3-60-inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B009H8JOZS/ref=pd_ybh_10