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Vizio & Seiki have never put a massive premium on their flagship models like Sony does & they had somewhat comparable models.
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Vizio & Seiki have never put a massive premium on their flagship models like Sony does & they had somewhat comparable models.
While that sounds awesome, I'm assuming I'd need something listed on this page to take advantage of that feature though? Would be sweet if you could rig it to work on 3D televisions like the W900A, but I'm guessing that won't fly.
Mattlikewhoa
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Um... well they are at a certain price point, and they do well for what they are at that certain price point. But it's only really comparable to entry (and maybe some mid range models depending on which brand we are talking about), but that's honestly stretching it.
The difference in PQ is noticeable while viewing these sets. I'm going with mid range models. Comparing those flag ship models to Sony 900 series or Samsung 8000/9000 series would not be fair (at all). That being said, the difference in cost is a lot. In the end, it's up to the end user to decide if they want to pony up the difference or not.
Rex_Harrison
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Considering the 60" F8500 is still $600 more than a 60" VT60 this late in its cycle, I'd say there's no chance it'll drop below $2k before summer if there's any left. As far as 2014 Samsung Plasmas go, anything that rivals a VT60 is going to be a Flagship model and if 2013' pricing was any indication of what to expect, you won't find a decent price drop until Fall.
I went through 7 LED TV's last year trying to find an acceptable replacement for my 2008 40" Samsung LCD. They all had major PQ issues from flashlighting, banding, clouding, dark corners, to edges with strips of dark pixels from top to bottom. I finally gave up on LED last week and bought a VT60, which is amazing.
Ironically the LED sets got me used to a dimmer picture. I kept them on the dimmer side because if I had the backlight at %50 or more, then the clouding and flashlighting would show their ugly heads at night. I'm perfectly happy with the brightness of the 60" VT60. I have a well lit living room with 2 skylights and I have no issues with the picture.
Caayn
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So after a long story of the seller not being able to deliver and then trying to rip me off by trying to sell me a used model for the price of a new one. I'm now a happy owner of a Panasonic VT60 50" 
Still in the progress of setting it up and calibrating it.
Do you've got any tips for the first 100(?) hours of usage? Like don't watch channels with a logo constant on the screen, don't game with the HUD enabled?
Still in the progress of setting it up and calibrating it. Do you've got any tips for the first 100(?) hours of usage? Like don't watch channels with a logo constant on the screen, don't game with the HUD enabled?
So after a long story of the seller not being able to deliver and then trying to rip me off by trying to sell me a used model for the price of a new one. I'm now a happy owner of a Panasonic VT60 50"
Do you've got any tips for the first 100(?) hours of usage? Like don't watch channels with a logo constant on the screen, don't game with the HUD enabled?
Yes avoid any content that is not full screen, static images, logos, and game huds for at least the first 100 hours.
If you ant to be really anal about it you could age the panel for the first 100 hours using slides. Some suggest this is good and some suggest it is unnecessary. I'm watching content and when I'm not I'm running the slides to get to that first 100 hours more quickly.
PANEL AGING STEPS:
1. Download and Unzip D-Nice's Slides to a USB Stick or SD Card
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6913&postcount=1
2. Turn Off Pixel Orbiter: Menu > Picture > Screen Settings > Pixel Orbiter > Auto
3. Plug in USB Stick or SD Card (with Slides) on Side of TV
4. Press USB/SD Button on Remote Control (or use Apps Button > Media Player)
5. Select Photos Option (Slide thumbnails will be shown)
6. Apply Custom Photo Settings: Menu > Picture > Picture Mode: Custom (leave at default)
7. Press Return Button on Remote and Return to Thumbnails
8. Press Red (R) Button on Remote
9. Set Slideshow Settings:
Frame: Off
Photo Effect: Off
Transition Effect: Off
Photo Size: Normal
Burst Playback: Off
Display Interval: Long
Repeat Playback: On
10. Press the Top Slideshow Settings Menu Item ("Start Slideshow")
...or "Return" to Thumbnails Screen and Press "Play" on Remote
11. Wait 100-300 Hours
Anyone have any experience with the Samsung UN60F7100? I've been comparison shopping and think I have settled on this one, but there are very few reviews for it that I've seen out there, though what I've seen are really positive. (I am unable to get a Plasma at all right now, so the VT60 is unfortunately out of the equation.) I'm looking for any advice on this set...
Also, if anyone knows, an odd question... I will be buying through Best Buy due to the 24 month financing. They have Samsung on sale this week, but this set is full price. In other markets, that would mean that they are unlikely to have a particular brand on sale again soon. Would that mean that Best Buy won't have Samsung sets on sale again soon? I have a little bit of patience if I can catch a deal soon, but not infinite patience as I've been tv shopping longer than I would typically care to. (and I assume that Best Buy wouldn't price match something like alltimetvs.com...)
Also, if anyone knows, an odd question... I will be buying through Best Buy due to the 24 month financing. They have Samsung on sale this week, but this set is full price. In other markets, that would mean that they are unlikely to have a particular brand on sale again soon. Would that mean that Best Buy won't have Samsung sets on sale again soon? I have a little bit of patience if I can catch a deal soon, but not infinite patience as I've been tv shopping longer than I would typically care to. (and I assume that Best Buy wouldn't price match something like alltimetvs.com...)
rocksteady1983
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Has there been any plasmas that allow you to go into the service menu and adjust the ABL?
Caayn
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Thanks will see if I can squeeze in some slides. Question on darker spots, not black spots, for example the grey menu background show a lot of pixels jumping/moving around. Is that something that is typical for a Plasma fresh out of the box? When I have a completely black/white screen I don't see any noise anywhere, the picture is perfectly smooth.
Mattlikewhoa
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I bought last years 7000 series and so far it's been a good experience. I did have to exchange it once though because of flash lighting on one of the corners. I bought it because I wanted something that could deal with a lot of light since it would be placed RIGHT next to a window. I wasn't going to spend big money again on another flag ship plasma, since I decided to spend the money on a higher end projector. Still I didn't cheap out on it since it's one stop down from the 8000 series (at the time).
The colors are accurate, and have a nice pop to them. The motion of image is better then a lot of other models I was looking at (though I'd still give the tip of my hat to Sony in this department). The black levels are better then a lot of the other models I had viewed in the same price range, and finally the 3D looks excellent.
Overall I'd buy one again if I were in the market for one.
Try to look around for a price match (Amazon, and other online TV retailers) because you shouldn't be paying full pop for one.
I'm thinking of buying a new TV at the moment, and i broke it down to a choice between a Samsung 46f5300 (LED LCD) and a Panasonic 42ST60 (Plasma).
As i understand it, the Plasma has a better picture quality in general, plus it has 3d (not crucial, but it doesn't hurt) however i never had a plasma in my life and i'm not sure what hassle i'd have to deal with.
One is the infamous burn in (which alone sounds like quite a pain in the ass) the other would be? Input Lag isn't that big of a deal, since i wouldn't use it for gaming that much (Movies and TV shows mostly).
Another thing is power consumption, especially given the need to keep it on to "age it"?
Anything else i should know about? Any suggestion in general?
As i understand it, the Plasma has a better picture quality in general, plus it has 3d (not crucial, but it doesn't hurt) however i never had a plasma in my life and i'm not sure what hassle i'd have to deal with.
One is the infamous burn in (which alone sounds like quite a pain in the ass) the other would be? Input Lag isn't that big of a deal, since i wouldn't use it for gaming that much (Movies and TV shows mostly).
Another thing is power consumption, especially given the need to keep it on to "age it"?
Anything else i should know about? Any suggestion in general?
longnosedgoblin
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I was on the fence about plasma but the picture quality over LCD swung if for me. I went for the 42gt60 and was all ready to run slides to run it in but in the end I just ended up watching it instead. 100 hour flew by and although I have had some image retention, you only see it if you are up close inspecting the set closely. Also on mine it has only stayed for minutes, not any longer. If you just watch the tv from your sofa I doubt you would notice it.
Also as for the input lag, I don't play that many fps games, but I haven't noticed any lag whilst playing my Wii u.
Sony have a couple of passive 3D sets I think - my 50W685 is one. And although I've been sceptical about passive in he past, it is very impressive. No way it is just 1920x540, I cannot tell the perceived res from my precious active 3D set. And it is much brighter due to the glasses, and much more comfortable for long viewing,
For Nvidia GPUs you can buy 3dtv play http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/3dtv-play-buy-uk.html
Not sure about AMD which is a shame as I have one
Had no idea that existed... very exciting, thank you!
Edit: $39.99 impulse purchase later and some messing around with settings and I had Just Cause 2 in 3D on the TV, but only at 1280x720 60Hz. Only got a black screen trying the 1920x1080 24Hz option when the game started. Thinking it might have something to do with trying to pass the HDMI signal through my older Pioneer receiver (supports 3D but I'm not sure of the details). Will mess with it more later, but the effect was certainly cool even at a diminished resolution.
Thank you! This helps a ton as the room I will have it in has a huge window, so there's a ton of external light - not something that's easy to test out in stores.
What's the preferred method of cleansing IR? Slides, screen wipe, jogger, or WoW disc?
I thought my ST60 was immune until I got a HUD life gauge burned into my screen. I had the HUD at 25% opacity too. It's been over 10 hours and a lot of full screen content since and it's faded a lot but I still see it on a 50% grey screen. I ran the D'Nice slide for a few hours today which faded it more. Would WoW be any quicker?
I thought my ST60 was immune until I got a HUD life gauge burned into my screen. I had the HUD at 25% opacity too. It's been over 10 hours and a lot of full screen content since and it's faded a lot but I still see it on a 50% grey screen. I ran the D'Nice slide for a few hours today which faded it more. Would WoW be any quicker?
I'll most likely go with the plasma.
I'll wait for after CES though, you never know
.lostinblue
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Perused the Magnolia section of Best Buy today and saw the Avengers playing on a giant 90" Sharp LED LCD. OMG the picture was RIDICULOU!!!!!!!!!!
I need to go bigger! The color leapt from the screen and level of detail was insane. I did notice quite a bit of janky LCD judder any time the camera panned but MY GOD the depth of the image ! It was almost 3 dimensional !
I need to go bigger! The color leapt from the screen and level of detail was insane. I did notice quite a bit of janky LCD judder any time the camera panned but MY GOD the depth of the image ! It was almost 3 dimensional !
Jeff Stephen
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Linkin Park
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http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CALLZK6/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I was thinking of getting this. The price is really good, and so are the reviews. I had seen this at BB yesterday for the same price, and the picture looked pretty nice. However, it's now gone back up in price on BestBuy today. So, I'd personally would rather save the $30+ dollars and just order it off Amazon. 60hz doesn't bother me as it looks fine playing games on my other TVs.
I have 2 questions though.
1. Is it safe to order TVs through Amazon? As in arriving safe with no cracked screen and what not?
2. How good is their return policy if that does happen?
I was thinking of getting this. The price is really good, and so are the reviews. I had seen this at BB yesterday for the same price, and the picture looked pretty nice. However, it's now gone back up in price on BestBuy today. So, I'd personally would rather save the $30+ dollars and just order it off Amazon. 60hz doesn't bother me as it looks fine playing games on my other TVs.
I have 2 questions though.
1. Is it safe to order TVs through Amazon? As in arriving safe with no cracked screen and what not?
2. How good is their return policy if that does happen?
AlimNassor
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Quick question. I'm about to order a TV, should I but it from a retailer ship to home, or from amazon? What are the chances the carriers will set up my TV to ensure it's not broke? Should I get any warranty's? I've never set a TV up before, but, don't want anything bad to happen to mine.
Panny is higher quality set than that affordable Samsung.
Hmm, a 1080p image at 90 inches doesn't seem very appealing to me, personally. I do think the 4K TVs (with special 4K content) are pretty awesome, though.
GardenSirens
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I'm on a Samsung LCD and very happy with it. I used to be a plasma fan but realized that with adjusting, you can make them look similar (despite knowing the real differences from being a tv salesman for 5 years). As long as it looks good, I don't care about comparing, lol. There are some sexy LED's out, though that I wouldn't mind upgrading to.
seventynine
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Picked up a Samsung LED series 5 this past weekend as it was on sale for £350.
It seems to have a problem though.
A strange blue shadowing effect when on screen subjects are in motion.
The same scene, but still.
And again.
Motion.
Anyone know whats going on here? I have it set to Game Mode for PS3/4/360 but playing with the settings doesn't seem to lessen this effect.
It seems to have a problem though.
A strange blue shadowing effect when on screen subjects are in motion.
The same scene, but still.
And again.
Motion.
Still.
Anyone know whats going on here? I have it set to Game Mode for PS3/4/360 but playing with the settings doesn't seem to lessen this effect.
silver.tongue
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I was playing AC4 on my Sony KDL-46HX8500 last night and while I never really thought much about it, it really is a superb TV.
I wish I can take a proper photo of it but I only have my iPhone to take pics with.
Hey! That`s my TV too.
Care to share configs?
ChoklitCow
Member
Just a reminder, if you use this on a console/player make sure your device isn't set to shut off after some inactivity. Came back to a bluescreen once and had a little panic. Fortunately it hadn't been on long at all.
Try looking for any settings that have to do with motion and fiddle with them.
Quick look online shows there are a couple Samsung settings that may impact it:
LED Motion Plus and Motion Lighting. Both found under the advanced picture settings menu option.
lostinblue
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That's motion judder and it should be the source's framerate at fault.
That looks horrible though, I actually thought it was killzone at first because those run at 30 frames per second, but it is CoD Ghosts isn't it? If so that's a (supposedly) 60 fps game all across the board and it shouldn't look like that.
Anyway and going by the original logic for 30fps, only motion compensation (adding more lag to create extra intermediate frames) can solve or disguise that, and it's not available on game mode.
The other option would be newer methods like this years Sony Motionflow on W6/8/9 series (also sadly not available on game mode though).
In regards to diminishing it somehow, I've had limited success on slow post-processing TV's by toggling the color mode that gets output; find the setting where they don't need to convert and it's bound to be faster, that also improves motion.
That TV doesn't look so hot if it pulls that on a 60 fps game.
seventynine
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Thanks.
Both of those settings are turned off on game mode. I just tried it on my cable box input too and that strange blue ghosting/shadowing is still visible sadly.
Yeah that level is very choppy on PS4. The problem isn't so much the judder as this blue tint occurs on everything including TV shows, Blurays and other games (regardless of the system).
I was wondering if this is a well known issue or if I simply have a duff TV?
Dr. Zoidberg
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I bought a Sony 60EX645 last year that did this exact thing. I even included a picture in my post HERE. Any time a darker object would move across a lighter background you would get blue shadows/smudges/trails. It's worse than standard judder or LCD smearing because of the distinct blue color.
I could not fix the issue which was a damn shame as I liked the TV for the price. I had to return it. I think the LCD panel they used was to blame for the issue.
When you buy a Sony or Samsung (or others) set you don't always know what panel will be in it as they have several different sources. Some Sony TVs have LG panels in them, for example. With that 60EX645 there were at least two different panel manufacturers and it was a crapshoot which one you were going to get.
Bill Rizer
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Is it by chance an EH series model? There was panel lottery going with those, and I remember your problem to have been documented with one specific panel mounted. Better doing some research on avsforum or avforums ( if i'm not wrong it's on the latter I read about this, specifically on eh5000).
lostinblue
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Sony uses regular LED LCD's from either LG or Samsung on most of their LCD models; I didn't know they shuffled them like that though.
AFAIK the VA-model ones use only Sharp panels and hence, that's my recommendation when buying Sony TV's, go VA-panel (Sharp!) or go home. (and they have cheap albeit not fabulous VA panel telly's at that, like the R420 series; still better than regular LED LCD bullshit)
seventynine
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It varies between content for me. It is very noticeable with CoD Ghosts, less so with other things but now I've seen it, I'm always on look out for it. Very distracting.
It's a ue40f5000. Yeah just had a look at avf and there's talk of an "infamous Sharp panel"
Going to look into returning it.
lostinblue
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Kinda surprising to see Samsung using a Sharp panel, but if they're subcontracting on occasion and a budget ie: their production doesn't suffice and they want to spend the same money it costs them to manufacture on a third party panel... Yeah, they could only be rubbish.
Good luck with that; me myself most of the time avoid Samsung like the plague precisely because I don't think they're predictable, top range models can lag like motherfuckers, entry models might have non-defeatable sharpening shenanigans on game mode and image quality is erratic... or perhaps they won't, that's just how erratic their product placement is, in-the-know client doesn't really know what to expect. Not all is rubbish but you certainly can't go to a store and shoot blindly. I hate that about them.
seventynine
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I chose it because it was going cheap. The TV that it replaced was a 720p Bravia that I had for around 7 years. I usually go for Sony or Panasonic. Looking at currys/pcworld there's a 39" Panasonic Viera txl39em6b for the same price. Hopefully I can get a swap.
See You Next Wednesday
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That type of ghosting is definitely not normal, if you turned off all the motion options off & it still is doing that, then it's a problem with the processor of the TV. Which looks to be intentional.
Dr. Zoidberg
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With my set, it was very apparent when playing first or third person games. It was barely noticeable when watching movies or standard TV. Most people would never notice the issue and keep the TV but I game on my set at least 70% of the time I use it so I had to return.
Sure. But it won't be until 10 or so hour before I can go back home and check it.
ss_lemonade
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What's a good set to get that isn't above 50in and doesn't break my budget of around $700? Anything bigger may not work because I'm moving into an apartment that's a bit limited in space. I just need something that'll be a good pair for my PS3 (and hopefully PS4).
Plasma seems like a good choice from what I'm reading here but if there's an LCD that will do a good job at that price range, then I'm all for it. We used to have an RPTV that was limited to 480p and 1080i so some PS3 games that couldn't do 1080i or upscale properly would look like crap because anything below 1080i on that TV had motion blur and terrible PQ T_T
Plasma seems like a good choice from what I'm reading here but if there's an LCD that will do a good job at that price range, then I'm all for it. We used to have an RPTV that was limited to 480p and 1080i so some PS3 games that couldn't do 1080i or upscale properly would look like crap because anything below 1080i on that TV had motion blur and terrible PQ T_T
I owned an old Sony LCD and replaced it with a Panasonic plasma for this very reason. Of course the plasma exhibited yellow phosphor trails but I learned to live with them and ultimately got used to them.
Kssio_Aug
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I received my Samsung 32F5500 today!! For its cost it was for me an AWESOME TV!! Im trully enjoying the image quality, specially moving from a Samsung 26" LCD 720p.
From what I've played today I am not having any problem with input lag, ghosts or anything... everything is working like a charm!
Maybe I will change something to get it a little more colorfull, but I'm not sure. I'm happy with the IQ that i have right now, the colors are very natural and pretty.
So, here goes my reccomendation: Samsung 32F5500. Its a LED SmartTV. Excelent IQ imho!
My settings are: *Edited with better calibration*
Picture Mode: Movie
Backlight: 10
Contrast: 98
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 0
Color: 48
Tint: 50/50
Picture Size: Screen Fit
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
Color Space: Auto
White Balance: 24, 25, 25, 10, 35, 35
Gamma: -1
Motion Lighting: Off
Color Tone: Warm 2
Digital Clean View: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
HDMI Black level: Low (except if FULL RGB)
Film Mode: Off
Analog Clean View: Off
LED Clear Motion: Off
From what I've played today I am not having any problem with input lag, ghosts or anything... everything is working like a charm!
Maybe I will change something to get it a little more colorfull, but I'm not sure. I'm happy with the IQ that i have right now, the colors are very natural and pretty.
So, here goes my reccomendation: Samsung 32F5500. Its a LED SmartTV. Excelent IQ imho!
My settings are: *Edited with better calibration*
Picture Mode: Movie
Backlight: 10
Contrast: 98
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 0
Color: 48
Tint: 50/50
Picture Size: Screen Fit
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
Color Space: Auto
White Balance: 24, 25, 25, 10, 35, 35
Gamma: -1
Motion Lighting: Off
Color Tone: Warm 2
Digital Clean View: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
HDMI Black level: Low (except if FULL RGB)
Film Mode: Off
Analog Clean View: Off
LED Clear Motion: Off
AlimNassor
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So, why do LCD/LED TVs have such poor quality speakers? Size is not an excuse. How the fuck can these tiny ass tablets have amazing sound quality, but, these TVs not? Is it a tech issue or just a money issue?
Infinite Xero
Member
Anyone who cares about sound quality will buy separate speakers for their TV.
In other words, most consumers are either content with TV speakers or would upgrade them anyways so why bother making them any better than decent?
Rex_Harrison
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All 60" F7100's have panels made by Sharp, you'll also notice that the bezel is more than twice as thick on the 60" 7100. All other sizes have panels made by Samsung or LG, and they have that sexy thin bezel.