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[I'm an expert]

That was back when Killua didn't even know wtf nen was lol..

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

I just thought Killua was super arrogant and wanted to size everybody up back then. Plus he didn't know about Nen.

 

[foxuzamaki]

I remember some people thinking Killua could take out Netero during the ball game. :lol

They dont know about the old man in a shonen trope

 

[OmegaX]

That was back when Killua didn't even know wtf nen was lol..

Exactly. Remember after Killua knocks out Gon and escapes from Pitou, the first thing he says to Netero, Knov, and Morel is something like "now that I learned about Nen I can see you guys are unbelievably strong".

 

[Moaradin]

My god that episode was incredible. Netero is a fucking monster.

 

[Popnbake]

They dont know about the old man in a shonen trope

Now I want to learn more about zeno's grandfather.

Netero being the only one so far to survive a fight against him with that crazy 10,000 punches a day for training??

That old guy must have one hell of a nen ability.

 

[Jigolo]

i rewatched the episode and i'm still confused on the part where the announcer says at first the sequence takes about 5-6 seconds and then goes on to say that the 10,000 punches took 18 hrs.

when he's talking about the 5-6 second sequence, is he talking about the prayer he says before actually throwing the punches? The scene is at aroud 12 min

 

[Hamster0]

i rewatched the episode and i'm still confused on the part where the announcer says at first the sequence takes about 5-6 seconds and then goes on to say that the 10,000 punches took 18 hrs.

when he's talking about the 5-6 second sequence, is he talking about the prayer he says before actually throwing the punches? The scene is at aroud 12 min

I think it was that each punch with pray takes about 5-6 seconds

 

[Jigolo]

I think it was that each punch with pray takes about 5-6 seconds

Yup that's it.

Worship --> pray --> punch
(5 -6 sec)

10,000 took 18 hrs the first time.

 

[Urban Scholar]

The latest ep had me in shivers

When I thought a narrator in an anime can't make things so epic. I was like ...-_- then 0_0 then >_< ohhh so good

 

[flintstryker]

Without knowing Nen (and without Netero actively using Nen), Killua was not able to accurately perceive just HOW powerful Netero actually is. As well, I wouldn't doubt that masters of Nen such as Netero can hide how powerful he is (zetsu, In, quiet aura etc...).

Remember how Rammot made the comment that one needs power (his gaining Nen in this case) to fully appreciate how OP the Royal Guards were?

Not only that after being mind fucked by Pitou, when Netero showed up Killua said something to the effect of "after now training in nen I can tell you guys are ridiculously strong' which gives further credence to the theory that he had no idea what he was up against before.

 

[Erigu]

Netero being the only one so far to survive a fight against him with that crazy 10,000 punches a day for training??

The translation is a bit off, there... He doesn't quite say that nobody else survived a fight against the guy, but merely that Netero is the only living person left who had been in a fight with the guy. The point still being that Netero is old.

 

[Popnbake]

The translation is a bit off, there... He doesn't quite say that nobody else survived a fight against the guy, but merely that Netero is the only living person left who had been in a fight with the guy. The point still being that Netero is old.

You sure?

I've looked up the manga chapter and he seems to say the same thing.

 

[curlyfriski]

To quote this post again, because this post doesn't make sense, I don't see how Killua's overconfidence (to put it lightly) can be mistaken as Togashi not planning things through. For fuck's sake, Netero is the chairman of the Hunter Association. He jumped from a blimp and landed perfectly fine (not all that impressive, but still). He completely played Gon and Killua for chumps, and did not even exert any effort.

Whatever Killua may have thought of Netero's strengths, I HIGHLY doubt Togashi did not know that Netero was >>> Killua, at that point.

>.>

Things aren't so black and white in the Hunter x Hunter world. There's a lot more ambiguity surrounding the strengths of characters and how a fight might unfold. This is perfectly captured by chumps such as Killua thinking he can even fight Netero for a second without getting curb-stomped.

Edit: I guess what I'm trying to say is, Killua's line about thinking he can take on Netero is NOT A MISTAKE ON TOGASHI'S PART. We shouldn't take everything the characters say at face-value (good writing plays with our perception of what is true and what is biased/false). You think Netero was serious when he said he was on the same level as Morel and Knov, or do you think Togashi herp-a-derped too?

You're misunderstanding my post. I think it points to an inconsistency in how Togashi has characterized Killua, in that he is supposedly a very cautious person who thinks things through many times, but seems to actually believe he could kill Netero. I don't think it's an awful mistake, I just think Togashi changed his mind about what he wanted Killua's character to be at some point. I mean it's not the only inconsistency in Hunter. Like, how did Killua not know about nen up til Heaven's Arena, considering how he was raised? Nen wasn't really hinted at at all up to a certain point, until all of a sudden tons of people had it.
Edit: did you totally skip my other post, because I basically already said all this.

 

[Rewrite]

Oh my fucking god.

Fucking AMAZING episode. Holy shit I'm beyond hyped. The narrator, the explanations and backstory, the beautiful dragons and scenery, and that ending. Omg. Fuck. So gooooood. All the tension was translated perfectly from the manga and we only saw what happened in like 20 seconds. Cannot fucking wait to see the rest of the invasion animated.

 

[Erigu]

You sure?

Pretty damn sure.

I've looked up the manga chapter and he seems to say the same thing.

"Seizon shiteoru" instead of something like "ikinokotta" (if that was about surviving the fight, you'd think the impressive feat would be described as a past event rather than an ongoing state) and the final "shi" implies he's still making the same point (=Netero is old).

 

[Akainu]

Most likely he knew about nen at a younger age but did not develop his hatsu until he was older/finished training.

Maybe he's got more moves? I can't imagine him mastering men without having a nen ability. The 100 guanyin move is probably his most recent achievement.

I think he already knew about nen, nen just made him be able to do that moved he learned in the first place.

I'm sure he knew about nen. But since he started praying when he was old and his ability looks like it based on it.

I remember some people thinking Killua could take out Netero during the ball game. :lol

Was that DTL who thinks shounen heroes must win all the time?

 

[Rootbeer]

You're misunderstanding my post. I think it points to an inconsistency in how Togashi has characterized Killua, in that he is supposedly a very cautious person who thinks things through many times, but seems to actually believe he could kill Netero. I don't think it's an awful mistake, I just think Togashi changed his mind about what he wanted Killua's character to be at some point. I mean it's not the only inconsistency in Hunter. Like, how did Killua not know about nen up til Heaven's Arena, considering how he was raised? Nen wasn't really hinted at at all up to a certain point, until all of a sudden tons of people had it.
Edit: did you totally skip my other post, because I basically already said all this.

Yeah I was thinking about that a while back. It's clear the whole nen thing wasn't part of the original plan for HxH. But it's only missing from the first arc so it's not a major problem. It's mostly Killua that makes it problematic, because his entire family is made up of incredibly powerful nen users.

Think about it even deeper: Killua seems to not know what nen is until Heaven's Arena, yet his YOUNGER BROTHER Kalluto (2 years younger), is also a proficient Nen user. How is it possible? It COULD be explained but it would still be a stretch. We know Kalluto is looking for his brother and may have trained in nen to prepare for the task. It's also possible that all of the family is trained in nen except for Killua and the reason why is not yet known. Maybe to test him in some way, or possibly to protect him since we know his family is so obsessed with that. Whatever the answer, I'm sure that it's something that Togashi is having to write around because it was not part of the original concept for HxH.

On another note, this last episode sure brought a lot of people out of the woodwork. Lot of new posters in this thread.

 

[OmegaX]

You're misunderstanding my post. I think it points to an inconsistency in how Togashi has characterized Killua, in that he is supposedly a very cautious person who thinks things through many times, but seems to actually believe he could kill Netero. I don't think it's an awful mistake, I just think Togashi changed his mind about what he wanted Killua's character to be at some point. I mean it's not the only inconsistency in Hunter.

I always assumed that Killua changed when Illumi put that needle infused with his nen in his brain to manipulate his behavior and make him more cautious so that he doesn't get himself killed. I think it was heavily implied that Illumi planted that needle during the final phase of the hunter exam and that's why Killua murdered that old guy and got himself disqualified, because Illumi was manipulating him.

 

[kirblar]

I always assumed that Killua changed when Illumi put that needle infused with his nen in his brain to manipulate his behavior and make him more cautious so that he doesn't get himself killed. I think it was heavily implied that Illumi planted that needle during the final phase of the hunter exam and that's why Killua murdered that old guy and got himself disqualified, because Illumi was manipulating him.

That would make sense.

 

[OldAsUrSock]

So much slow motion in this episode. I mean, yeah, Dragon Ball Z's fighters were in slow mo 24/7, but they had to. These guys are hardly sound breaking speed.

 

[Yonafunu]

So much slow motion in this episode. I mean, yeah, Dragon Ball Z's fighters were in slow mo 24/7, but they had to. These guys are hardly sound breaking speed.

I beg to differ. Pitou's Terpsichora only takes 0.1 second to attack from manifestation, yet Netero reacted within that time. I'd say that's fast enough to warrant the slow mo.

 

[Brutalx2]

My mind was blown to infinity and beyond ! Netero is powerful and the thing with the "His fists was faster than sound" really made me almost cry from happiness!

 

[Jigolo]

When gon flips the switch it's much more frightening then when Killua does. I guess because it's expected from Killua. But when a kind hearted person like Gon does it, it's just plain scary.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

When gon flips the switch it's much more frightening then when Killua does. I guess because it's expected from Killua. But when a kind hearted person like Gon does it, it's just plain scary.

Cool moment, just like when he saw Kite's arm fly off or when he freaked out vs. Morel, but it's not as cool as Killua flipping his switch for me since it's just been for show so far.

 

[kirblar]

Killua just goes into a "just business" type of cold.

Gon's is driven by internal rage.

 

[Popnbake]

"Seizon shiteoru" instead of something like "ikinokotta" (if that was about surviving the fight, you'd think the impressive feat would be described as a past event rather than an ongoing state) and the final "shi" implies he's still making the same point (=Netero is old).

What's the confusing part of the japanese version that leads an anime sub group to make the same mistake as manga translators years ago?

 

[Nibel]

I wonder what happened to Palm - I can see Gon going bananas if something has happened to her since he asked so often about her

Watched the entirety of HxH with my brothers and they are hooked

This show gets everyone

 

[upandaway]

What's the confusing part of the japanese version that leads an anime sub group to make the same mistake as manga translators years ago?

I went and checked, and it's the same as I remember it being:

 

[Popnbake]

I went and checked, and it's the same as I remember it being:

That's different than the one I remember:

 

[upandaway]

I can kinda guess where that one's from from the quality of the image, haha, and if that's them, that's just taking credibility away from the translation. My only point was that there's proof Erigu's translation isn't unfounded, that's all.

It's also the only translation that makes sense, whatever that's worth. Not sure how that went past the anime dudes but it happens.

 

[Nibel]

So how old is Netero? 110? Or is it important for the plot and therefore spoiler?

 

[upandaway]

So how old is Netero? 110? Or is it important for the plot and therefore spoiler?

Yeah, and Zeno's 67. I don't recommend any anime-only viewers look that up, the spoilers will be fierce.

I don't see how confirming that will be a spoiler though since they revealed it in this episode.

 

[Yonafunu]

I don't see how age would be a spoiler.

 

[Popnbake]

I can kinda guess where that one's from from the quality of the image, haha, and if that's them, that's just taking credibility away from the translation. My only point was that there's proof Erigu's translation isn't unfounded, that's all.

It's also the only translation that makes sense, whatever that's worth. Not sure how that went past the anime dudes but it happens.

I understand there can multiple known translations for manga chapters and this can make it have different meanings which changes the context similar to that "My power. Uchiha Madara's power." translation debate from Naruto.

In this case it goes from hype for Zeno's grandfather (Netero being the only one to survive the fight - which I used to believe) to another statement on Netero's old age (he's the only man currently alive who fought him - which is less exciting for me :/).

 

[Shouta]

I don't have my JP vol on me to check but I'm almost certain that it was written as Netero being the only person alive to have battled with Maha at some point.

 

[LogicStep]

Well in the last episode they say "He's the only man to fight my grandpa and survive." That is pure hype.

 

[kirblar]

"You must defeat Sheng Long to have a chance."

 

[Yonafunu]

But it probably isn't terribly relevant anymore. Maha is really, really old, he's probably way past his prime.

 

[shira]

Are you an intentional or accidental troll?

I can't believe I missed this post. Just do it once? Really?
That's what training is; burning the technique into your body by doing it over and over again. It's polishing your technique. It's literally training.

I'm not trolling. I just found it really idiotic that he would waste his time on an arbitrary number.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I'm not trolling. I just found it really idiotic that he would waste his time on an arbitrary number.

Do you believe actual martial artists practice one move a single time to establish discipline and strength?

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

I took Zeno's comments as a pointed statement of how badass he was, not how old he was.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

I'm not trolling. I just found it really idiotic that he would waste his time on an arbitrary number.

Aside from what others have already said, it's a personal practice in devotion if you somehow missed that part. That's the entire reason it's an interesting technique in the first place, because its application in combat is tertiary or essentially a coincidence. For Netero it was obviously about a lot more than developing a really strong hatsu, which is also what makes the question of if he had a hatsu before irrelevant. It's about as 'pointless' as prostrations in Buddhism or chanting the suttas.

 

[Korosenai]

I don't see how age would be a spoiler.

Because you could go to the wiki to find out, and accidentally read a spoiler thats on there or something trying to look for it.

Obviously posting the age isn't bad, but not recommended for anime only viewers to read the wiki to find things out.

 

[Yonafunu]

Because you could go to the wiki to find out, and accidentally read a spoiler thats on there or something trying to look for it.

Obviously posting the age isn't bad, but not recommended for anime only viewers to read the wiki to find things out.

Ah yes, I was only talking about mentioning it here though But yes, don't check the wiki. For anything, for that matter.

 

[shira]

Aside from what others have already said, it's a personal practice in devotion if you somehow missed that part. That's the entire reason it's an interesting technique in the first place, because its application in combat is tertiary or essentially a coincidence. For Netero it was obviously about a lot more than developing a really strong hatsu, which is also what makes the question of if he had a hatsu before irrelevant. It's about as 'pointless' as prostrations in Buddhism or chanting the suttas.

I feel it doesn't suit the fantastic nature of the show. You can take it what you will, but to me it seems silly when they try and and blend it with realism like the North Korea stuff and the fat kid who was trying to run the marathon in the Hunter exam while looking up stats on the web with his laptop. Ah well it's a kids show. I like almost all of it, I just didn't like those parts.

 

[Yonafunu]

Well, Netero is very much a traditional martial artist. Regardless of how fantastically strong he is, or what kinds of crazy and weird stuff that world has, a martial artist is still a martial artist. Also, this seems like a very arbitrary thing to get hung up over.

 

[DualShadow]

Fantastic episode, glad I skipped the preview judging by the reactions earlier in the thread.

 

[Erigu]

Not sure how that went past the anime dudes but it happens.

Yeah, it's not the first time I notice a mistranslation in the new TV series. I mean, it's a good translation overall, but from time to time...

 

[fertygo]

I'm not trolling. I just found it really idiotic that he would waste his time on an arbitrary number.

If he got the result, how it count as wasting time?

Even Killua and Gon doing same thing in Greed Island arc.