Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event
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Are you just willfully overlooking that they were friends who played online games together? It's a stretch to assume his friend also didn't know about that stuff. Friends use the same memes.
YCoCg
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"Shooters motives don't matter anymore"
Oh fuck off! Both sides were eager to cling to the motives, hell yesterday alone he went from a trans person, protrans, a crazy old guy, a millennial, to now being a "Groyper" far right, infighting right, far left, gamer, etc.
His motive absolutely matters as it's the reason this act was carried out. Being dismissive of it because it doesn't fit your "side" is a bad stance.
Insane Metal
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FullMetalx117
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It's pretty rare, in my circles at least, to be sharing online ids for places like Reddit, here, others. And most definitely not 4chan, that would for sure be closeted
Unknown Soldier
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LMAO the reality is he was on "your side" not mine
But I'm trying to be more big picture here and you didn't want that
So I guess now you need to see this
thefool
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Make no mistake, this kid was radicalized on a discord server, reddit, era-like forum, something like that, this isn't a school or college thing.
People who don't interact with young kids have absolutely no idea what is going on in these places. And when they feel vindicated, when the obamas tell them to be angry, when kamala calls trump a fascist, when cnn is 24/7 pushing hateful rhetoric against anyone who doesn't adhere to their lunacies of dei's and trans, one of them might actually act on it. This time is Kirk, next time could be anyone who doesn't fall in line.
I sincerely feel bad for this kid because i know how easy it is to manipulate a teen with these falsehoods, how easy it is to make them feel like a victim. It's a monumental tragedy but i don't expect the enablers to change. If anything they will double down to make conservatives scared.
People who don't interact with young kids have absolutely no idea what is going on in these places. And when they feel vindicated, when the obamas tell them to be angry, when kamala calls trump a fascist, when cnn is 24/7 pushing hateful rhetoric against anyone who doesn't adhere to their lunacies of dei's and trans, one of them might actually act on it. This time is Kirk, next time could be anyone who doesn't fall in line.
I sincerely feel bad for this kid because i know how easy it is to manipulate a teen with these falsehoods, how easy it is to make them feel like a victim. It's a monumental tragedy but i don't expect the enablers to change. If anything they will double down to make conservatives scared.
I personally think you're reaching but that's your opinion. If his high school friend said he was a leftist, I don't see the use in doing mental gymnastic to question how well his friend even knew him.
At some point we have to decide to question and not believe anything, or believe the reports we are being told.
FullMetalx117
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Yeah let's just wait for more info to come
HoodWinked
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You got that one way wrong. That guy wasn't maga, he used to work for Governor Walz, he was likely upset because that Democrat law maker wasn't Far Left enough, she was the one that crossed parties likes to vote against illegal migrants from getting handouts. You can even see in her last appearances with media she was visibility upset because she knew she was going to piss off a lot of Democrats.
Assassinated Minnesota Dem Melissa Hortman had just crossed party lines to cast decisive vote against illegal migrant handouts: ‘What leaders do’
Melissa Hortman, the state House Democratic leader, was the only member of her party to side with Republicans and vote to repeal taxpayer-funded healthcare coverage for adult illegal immigrants as …
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thefool
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Trilobit
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I don't think you know what I meant. He was probably most of the time on the opposite side of those he debated, but he put himself out there and exposed people to ideas and thoughts that were ideologically alien to them. And they got the opportunity to speak their mind.
One doesn't need to be a centrist to try to build a bridge between people.
I truly don't understand why some people need to become zealots no matter what ideology or religion they have. I think there was something broken inside of him that made him that extreme, maybe something undiagnosed. I don't know, it's just so weird to have that kind of anger.
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Mortisfacio
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This won't stop thousands of people from deciding that the guy who seems to hate fascism must also be a fascist and not leftwing violence, because violence in response to free speech aligns with fascism. Checkmate atheists. Or something to that effect.
Hardensoul
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Ok last message but the suit has been settled! They aren't going anywhere for now!
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YCoCg
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No fuck that, have I once in this thread supported any of this? You keep trying to blame this on anyone left leaning when the ones who are cheering this are far off either side. Don't try and pin this on users here.
aclar00
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Indeed, but help me understand why and how a university should be investigated because of this? The person i replied to implied it was universities indoctrinating the students. While a university may be comprised of students/peers it's not necessarily composed of them.
th4tguy
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That logic falls very close in line with sayings like " look at what she was wearing. She was asking for it."
Myths
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But the stats still wouldn't override the fact that white liberal women represent the overwhelming majority of liberal/progressive women. Without knowing where he's at, the generalization statistically and numerically would just be a white liberal to pick from randomly.
Angry_Megalodon
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Since he shot a conservative figure, it's pretty obvious he was radicalized by leftists, otherwise he would have shot a democrat. Only a leftist would call Charlike Kirk "fascist", because only they use that word as an insult nowadays.
This thread is a good example of that.
This thread is a good example of that.
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Brigandier
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colleges needs to be held accountable for their brainwashing
People like this monster are wayyyyyy too comfortable with posting demonic filth like this on their personal socials.... Colleges and Universities are enablers and allow this shit and it has to stop, It's not fucking normal at all.
This demon is clearly very comfortable posting that as he will expect no repercussions and will work and live around people who are the same, If I was his boss I would have his papers ready the moment he stepped foot in the door.
You got that one way wrong. That guy wasn't maga, he used to work for Governor Walz, he was likely upset because that Democrat law maker wasn't Far Left enough, she was the one that crossed parties likes to vote against illegal migrants from getting handouts. You can even see in her last appearances with media she was visibility upset because she knew she was going to piss off a lot of Democrats.
Assassinated Minnesota Dem Melissa Hortman had just crossed party lines to cast decisive vote against illegal migrant handouts: ‘What leaders do’
Melissa Hortman, the state House Democratic leader, was the only member of her party to side with Republicans and vote to repeal taxpayer-funded healthcare coverage for adult illegal immigrants as …
This is why these lies are so bad, because people like yourself will continue to spread them for years.
He was a conservative with very religious and anti-abortion views. He attacked two politicians, not just the person who cast that vote, so you're still objectively wrong about the motivations as well.
The fact he was named to a non-partisan low-level business board doesn't mean he "worked for the governor" in any major way. Republicans also name Democrats to such low-level bodies because they don't really matter.
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thefool
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They know , they pushed this groyper nonsense but they know fully well who radicalized this kid. Same as here on gaf, they don't want to engage, they want to muddle waters, perhaps they can even confuse someone, this is how they operate. Data, facts, history, doesn't exist for them, their rhetoric doesn't hold up to scrutiny, so the only option is to flat out lie. On reddit they control upvotes, on twitter (pre-elon) they simply censored accounts, on bluesky they control the platform, they control most media, this is how they operate, manipulation and deceive.
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calico
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Don't mind me I'm just enjoying the mental gymnastics required to make someone who fired a rifle at a conservative figurehead and had antifa slogans on his bullet casings and whose friends apparently confirm was a leftist into not-a-leftist.Probably right, maybe. As one can clearly see across gaf, social media, and the national media, that many people are heavily invested in the narrative supporting a particular ideology. With the nation breathing down their neck, would a hard right parent or friend admit that there assassin son/friend was influenced by their own ideology, or would they want to spin it in support of their beliefs system? I'm not making accusations, just some things I'm thinking about.
Edit: I don't see what is particularly humourous about my musings. If you think I'm way off track regarding the psychology of what they are going through, you could respond and push back.
calico
Flash Junkins
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Yup
Flash Junkins
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Just like last night for you;Don't mind me I'm just enjoying the mental gymnastics required to make someone who fired a rifle at a conservative figurehead and had antifa slogans on his bullet casings and whose friends apparently confirm was a leftist into not-a-leftist.
Fuck lefty and righty.
This guy is a murderer.
I feel sorry for his family, not him. Dude was 22, old enough to know what he was doing and old enough to assume the consequences. He seemed to have had loving parents, but for some reason decided to throw all of this away. He didnt only ruin his own life and took the life of Charlie, but also ruined everyone's lives who was near to Charlie, he ruined the lives of his family members.
I dont get how this guy evaluated that it was worth it. What exactly did he achieve?
"Women taking things personally" doesn't have any bearing on whether important issues should be debated in the open.
rm082e
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That assumes he needed a motive to commit the crime. If someone is crazy, they don't need a motive, or don't need much of one. We've seen plenty of these shooters who didn't really have a motive. Their messages were just a mish-mash of internet troll garbage.
Trump still insists he "won" 2020, an attitude that directly led to a violent riot he has called a "day of love" unironically, and there's no greater ignorance or outright denial of reality than that.
You're also assuming that all moderate Democrats would join a Republican party whose leader is currently doing any number of questionable things that are very far from being moderate in content, much less in form.
If the people wrongly celebrating Kirk's death are behaving poorly and a turn off (they are!), then those who are calling on violent retribution against the left as a whole because of this incident, not to mention those who have been loudly celebrating many of the rather ghoulish tactics coming from the current administration, aren't exactly models of civilized exchange and respect.
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rm082e
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Certainly not. I tried to clarify in the next post after that one.
DeaconOfTheDank
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Re-posting here from the gaming forum
mileslongthe3rd
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Some people are backpeddeling hard
Dems aren't better. Stacy Abrams also haven't given up on the fact she won even though she lost like 3 times.
Trump isn't great, but let's not pretend that besides mean tweets he's not calling for violence.
thefool
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I feel for him maybe because i was once a very lefty guy, and looking back I know exactly how and why I was manipulated and how easy it actually was. He probably did it because for him, and a lot of his enablers and group, he killed one of the bad guys. It's really that simple, and if you look at the reaction many people had, it's easy to see how widespread and dangerous it can become.
Crm114
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what do you mean lol
It is a little humorous. You're suggesting all of his family and friends coordinated to lie about his political leanings in order to make the left look bad and uphold MAGA. Come on. He even inscribed anti-fascist stuff all over the ammo. It's getting to be a pretty clear picture of where he was getting his extremism from. The better take away from all this is just to improve relations on both sides by toning down the rhetoric, left or right, and not to monster people with differing opinions.Probably right, maybe. As one can clearly see across gaf, social media, and the national media, that many people are heavily invested in the narrative supporting a particular ideology. With the nation breathing down their neck, would a hard right parent or friend admit that there assassin son/friend was influenced by their own ideology, or would they want to spin it in support of their beliefs system? I'm not making accusations, just some things I'm thinking about.
Edit: I don't see what is particularly humourous about my musings. If you think I'm way off track regarding the psychology of what they are going through, you could respond and push back.
read the thread, he was not far right. he was far left. and far gone.Some people are backpeddeling hard
Signalis
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Wonder what's going to happen to his group of friends now? FBI has all their discord information (they helped him). Comes from a conservative family. He was raised LDS, renounced his faith, planned the murder with his friends on discord and texted each other, he is ANTIFA, his friends are ANTIFA. This is bigger than people think. See the media is already spinning the "comes from a conservative family". They will do anything they can to make it look like he wasn't a leftist shit and was radicalised by his leftist shit university teachers(most likely)
Avid Reading Horse
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I'm so fucking confused, how did that thing survive falling into Mount Doom while chasing the One Ring?
Null Persp
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People used to blame anonymity for all the vile shit online. Now they are posting cruel stuff proudly with their full name, profile pic and LinkedIn like they are talking about mundane stuff like sport. Absolute insane people.
Men_in_Boxes
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How many people are going to get fired in the next 7 days? Mother of God...it's beautiful.
dem
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Trump fake electors plot - Wikipedia
Do you really not see why people are still up in arms about this?
This is real.. and its fucking banana republic insanity... whatever side of the political spectrum you are on.
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Flash Junkins
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The Quest for attention. It's sad.
Thaimasker
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The temperature/mood change even in this thread was something as soon as we saw that he was cis and white. It went from feeling like something that could start a war to something people are moving on from and will forget about soon.Some people are backpeddeling hard
Lol. Sam Harris, you mean the centrist who defended the hiding of the Hunter Biden laptop story by compared a second trump presidency to a planet destroying asteroid. Dude might have the worst case of TDS of all time.
Yes, she sucks for doing that. Then again, she didn't organize any movement to physically prevent the electoral process from concluding.
"Mean words" can radicalize too. If you act like every single person on the left is a member of the "radical left" then what does that justify? A whole bunch of crap, from the reasonable to the irrational.
Syphon Filter
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leftist losers are still mad trump won 
