I remember that scene and did not think there were parallels to Michonne/Rick at that time at all (considering there were so few of hints suggesting they'd be together during that time) but I don't remember the exact moment clearly. Maybe it's on YT? I'd like to see it again.
First, sorry it took so long. I was in the middle of a meeting and then a long commute home. Its super fair that you want the video. Unfortunately, I dont think Ill be able find it. It's nowhere on youtube that I can tell. ): I can tell you the episode. Its Episode 6.03 based on the research if you were interested,. Usually, small little scenes like that might end up on youtube but I think the Glenn fakeout overshadowed everything else in that episode. The characters name was David and his wife was Betsy. You might remember as the one who later killed herself after having David die. I'll definitely keep on the search though
Are you reading my posts? Because I've addressed examples others have provided; the stuff that has been presented thus far can easily be interpreted as a deep friendship. The dialogue and context presented could go either way and if you want to see it as a hint toward a relationship, I wasn't trying to say you can't do that. I just don't think there's enough evidence that suggests the writers actually intended to lead them into a relationship. For example I said that if you removed Rick from the scene where she finds Rick/Carl in the house, she'd have the same reaction because of her relationship with Carl. Or that the "cuz I'm OK too" line could have been said between any two characters who had a close friendship and it doesn't have to mean there's something more there.
Friendship and romantic development and attachments arent mutually exclusive at all. I think thats where all the differences in opinions are coming from. Youre not wrong, but you kind of insist it was because they were friends that these moments happened while also admitting it could have been due to either. If you know these moments could have happened under either circumstance of romantic attraction or friendship (assuming they are mutually exclusive) why again was their no hints. Or are you saying these moments would only happen between friends. At the time you might have interpreted it as friendship gestures, but can you look back now and think Well I guess I could have misattributed the gestures?
What did I ignore or fail to refute unreasonably..? You don't have to agree and I'm willing to say that I can see how some people would interpret it as foreshadowing a romance, but IMO, the writers weren't going in that direction and I do think a lot of people interpreted it that way because they wanted it. That doesn't mean I'm right, just what I believe with the information at hand.
You consistently say, There were no clues, then people give you examples and you say, Well, I think that was friendship but dont tell us why it would be one over the other. Again its all about interpretation, yet you go on to say, hey, well people saw what they wanted to see. That argument goes both ways and it gets you nowhere because I could say that exact same thing. Of course, no one has to agree. But you're arguing the point and have been arguing the point since it first happened as if you want people to agree with you. If you truly believe what you are saying, then theres no problem in that.
Where did I say that anyone else's opinion is "less reasonable" than my own? I was simply expressing my opinion, which is, I don't think there's enough evidence to suggest that the writers were pushing Rick/Michonne in a relationship before the big change and that I don't agree with the evidence people have presented thus far. From what I've seen, I think people have misinterpreted a lot of those examples.
You didnt. I said no such thing. You are arguing your point in a debate like fashion. Debates arent bad. Im not going to attack you for your oppinion, but if we are engaging in a debate and have to oposing opinions, then naturally, the assumption is that one of the opinions might turn up more reasonable or else whats the point in bringing up the opinion and examples of why its true so often. Like I said earlier, I dont want to come off as saying Hey, youre wrong. I just dont understand some of your arguments.
And I think it's painfully obvious how much things had changed during the timejump, and I think it's incredibly lazy to ignore that big gap. It felt out of place throughout the episode, from them playing house to kissing toward the end of the episode. It was totally jarring, for me.
As far as we know, not a whole lot changed. These people were on the road or in close living conditions on and off for about a year. I think by that point anyone is going to be comfortable walking around in a robe after walking past each other in raggy clothes and smelly. Things changed after the kiss for sure. We dont know what happened during the 2 months other than the assumption that Michonne and Rick were jointly attentive to carl as he recovered. Carl has always been something the two have bonded over.
With that said, I do think that the writers played around with the feeling of the episode. It was weird because from the beginning to the end, it's a "just another day" feel. It's like Rick's getting ready for work or to head to the grocery store from the moment he's getting dressed with the radio playing in the background. Take the kid to daycare, go to work, come home. How was your day? Horrible day. Good to be home. After all the shit with the wolves, and the distrust between the Alexandrians and themselves, Alexandria was "home" and it was a civilized type of home like the old days and it was the most stability they'd had since before the turn. I personally wouldn't attribute that too much to Michonne and Rick getting together. I think it was part of it, but the writers had a bigger picture. Rick and Daryl has a similar sort of thing going on, as if it's just another day at work.
And.. again. They just seemed to totally ignore that they're now in a relationship almost immediately after that episode. Full episodes passed and you'd never even know they're together based on the way they interact around each other. Or their interactions were really limited and their relationship seemed to have been pushed to the side. Which really ties into the idea that it was strung together pretty sloppily, IMO.
It's really difficult to argue that their transition from friendship to romance wasn't clunky as hell.
Immediately after that episode, they ran into Jesus. Jesus popped up in thier bedroom post coitus. Things move fast in the zombie apocalypse. Yet still, that episode, Rick approaches carl about it, Rick and Michonne hold hands in the RV, and they share some touches towards the end of the episode. This all happened directly after. If you feel as if the writers are shoving Rick and Michonne down your throat over a season later, I cant imagine how well you would have taken it the episode directly after, but yes, they do still appear close. I will say that, to me, their relationship's beginning felt clunky (not that that's what you're arguing. You were arguing that there were no hints), but not because of lack of hints. It was due to the fact that chronologically, it was the episode right after Jessie had died.
