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1/4 Wrasslin' thread of Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, and the new Monday Night Wars (lol)

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shoplifter

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I'm predicting TNA will do *worse* next Thursday since they don't have the WWE's audience to pull in. Probably 1.1-1.2. Ratings wise, they have too much to gain by moving.
 
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Dork Knight

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shoplifter said:
Hell, if they can pull a 1.5+ every week they've got a better chance of staying alive. Some consistency in booking and the additional eyes from folks watching the unopposed hour (if they're smart they'll go 8-10) might net them some extra PPV buys.

They're far more likely to get crossover WWE fans by being on Monday nights where it can just be an extra hour (plus some switching channels) in the routine rather than being on another night altogether.
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Not only that, but Mondays has been a wrestling night for over a decade now. Having the show on that day will surely help simply for that fact alone. Plus, people like the option of switching (look at this thread for proof) and will more likely switch/watch both shows on the same night than if they were both on separate days/times.
 
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Kusagari

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I just thought of something.... Did TNA EVER say "tune in next Thursday for Impact on it's regular day" during the show? I can't remember them ever saying that and if they didn't that is hilariously stupid.
 
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Dork Knight

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Kusagari said:
I just thought of something.... Did TNA EVER say "tune in next Thursday for Impact on it's regular day" during the show? I can't remember them ever saying that and if they didn't that is hilariously stupid.
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Haha! I don't think they did. Yeah, way to educate the new fans they tried so hard to bring in. I guess they're hoping new fans ask their friend DVR/Tivo for the infos.
 
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infinityBCRT

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Kusagari said:
I just thought of something.... Did TNA EVER say "tune in next Thursday for Impact on it's regular day" during the show? I can't remember them ever saying that and if they didn't that is hilariously stupid.
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AFAIK Thursday will just be a repeat of Monday's show.
 
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cartoon_soldier

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Nice ratings for TNA, and good for RAW too.

The thing I liked about RAW is that this time hopefully we get a nice slow build up to Wrestlemania over the next 4 months or so for most of the matches with awesome pay-offs at the PPV.

Also, WWE is pulling out the big shots with guest hosts it seems, Tyson (a part of WWE history) then Shatner. I am guessing Rock sometime soon too, maybe Austin will get one in the next couple of months.
 
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Mockingbird

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NYR said:
lol @ people saying TNA will or should move Monday nights. There is little chance of it happening simply because of how TV and ad revenue work. They can't just move a show at the start of the year without causing some imbalance and unhappiness with sponsors who push fo the shows that are on normally on Monday nights.
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What is normally on Monday nights on Spike? Putting TNa there would give the sponsors more for their money.
 
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avatar299

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NYR said:
lol @ people saying TNA will or should move Monday nights. There is little chance of it happening simply because of how TV and ad revenue work. They can't just move a show at the start of the year without causing some imbalance and unhappiness with sponsors who push fo the shows that are on normally on Monday nights.
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Not really. Sponsors buy timeslots expecting an average rating. They aren't tied to television shows. If TNA delivers high ratings for Monday nights( and they were high) then they won't care.
 
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Kusagari

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infinityBCRT said:
AFAIK Thursday will just be a repeat of Monday's show.
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Yeah, but that still doesn't change my point. They didn't at any point during the show hammer in the fact that Impact is usually on Thursdays and not Mondays. What if most of these new watchers tune in Monday and see UFC or whatever on at 9 instead?
 
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unomas

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Interesting ratings numbers for both shows, looks like it worked out well for both WWE and TNA. The Hogan/NWO thing gets so much hate, but the bottom line is it popped the biggest number of the show up against Bret/Shawn.

I hope hope hope TNA gets moved to 8-10 on Monday nights so they can be the one hour lead in for Raw, but I guess that's up to Spike at this point. It would be great to have the Monday night wars back regardless of what you think of either show.

Edit: And if TNA hasn't decided to drop the six sided ring do it already! It's rediculous, it's like trying to go up against the NFL or NBA and your field or court looks drastically different from what is viewed as standard. I don't care what hardcore smarks say, it's pointless to have that ring.
 
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GaimeGuy

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just finished the cornette rant.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
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The Frankman

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Ten minutes in and though he's yelling at both shows Jesus Christ Cornette is eviscerating TNA :D

EDIT: "Fuck all of you, I hope you fucking die!" :lol :lol :lol
 
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The Frankman

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"RAPED!!"

Oh my God I'm dying...

At least Cornette is saying Raw was professional/RAW might be good if Vince/Bret goes somewhere.

WTF he disses The Miz? WHAT?

Cornette on Sheamus: works out w/ Triple H... nuff said.

More cursing and hating.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST HE SOUNDS LIKE FOAMY THE SQUIRREL. :lol :lol :lol
 
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British Monsoon

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RBH said:
* Generation Me (formerly the Young Bucks) vs. The Motor City Machine Guns. Generation Me win with a 450 and top rope moonsault.
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Wtf? The Young Bucks was a pretty goofy name to begin with, but Generation Me? :lol At least as the Young Bucks they could call their finisher 'More Bang for Your Buck'.
 
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Forkball

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I love angry Cornette, even if I don't agree with him sometimes. He needs some show where he talks about anything for thirty minutes.
 
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Zen

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"Then you know that you have talent to fuck up on an epic scale."

Holy shit I just about spit out my drink. :lol

EDIT: Holy shit, there isn't a sentence wasted with this TNA rant. :lol

EDIT 2: Ok now he's on to Raw. Bracing self.
 
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The Frankman

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God dammit why has this man been fired from TNA and WWE? WWE I know because of Vince, but TNA? This man should have a job in another major promotion besides ROH.

EDIT: nvm

WWE:
Cornette was suspended for several weeks in May 2005 as a result of a backstage altercation with OVW wrestler Anthony Carelli (who would later be called up to WWE as Santino Marella), and released by WWE in July 2005 due to another incident shortly after returning from suspension for slapping Carelli for breaking character and laughing at wrestler The Boogeyman. In the spring of 2008, Marella, on a Canadian radio program, publicly challeneged Cornette to a match, despite Cornette working for WWE rival TNA. Cornette bluntly responded that at this stage of his career, Cornette didn't need to wrestle a career jobber with a drinking problem.
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TNA: RUSSO.
 
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Zen

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He talked a bit about how MMA has been taking away their business. As someone who's just sort of tuning back into wrestling on account of Bret, how much so has MMA been impacted WWE? Are we talking big decline? PPV buyrates? What? I'd think a part of the problem would be MMA taking away the demographics that the WWE relies on and well as tons of potential new fans.
 
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ZombieSupaStar

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Zen said:
He talked a bit about how MMA has been taking away their business. As someone who's just sort of tuning back into wrestling on account of Bret, how much so has MMA been impacted WWE? Are we talking big decline? PPV buyrates? What? I'd think a part of the problem would be MMA taking away the demographics that the WWE relies on and well as tons of potential new fans.
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actually I think the lack of competition for wrestling has done far more damage to the WWE than MMA ever would have, the show has been pretty bad for almost a decade, although it had a few brief spasms of good stuff in the early 00's.

MMA is good but I cant remember who it was (Nash, i think) but in MMA you cant always build hype around fights like in wrestling (long term) because guys come and go in MMA a lot faster than in wrestling so a tenure isnt as impactful in MMA as in wrestling. I mean look how many guys are on the shelf from UFC 108 and possibly the biggest guy to hit UFC (hype wise) lesnar, may never come back because of health issues.

I really think wrestling needed 2 big companies and decent indies, compare 96-00 to 06-10 we are in some TROUBLE. :lol
 
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firehawk12

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It's funny because I think the highlight of the 00s for "mainstream" wrestling was One Night Stand - and only because the WWE managed to book it as a counter WWE show. It was perfect for smarks and why I go back in for a couple of years.
Of course, like the "WCW invasion", they buried the other brand and ended any kind of internal competition.
 
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British Monsoon

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ZombieSupaStar said:
I really think wrestling needed 2 big companies and decent indies, compare 96-00 to 06-10 we are in some TROUBLE. :lol
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I actually think the excellent state of the indies today is a response to the lack of oppertunities at the top level for younger guys - you've got ROH on a bit of a downturn, but still the biggest shown in town and attempting to carve a new fanbase for themselves, but you've also got promotions like PWG, CHIKARA & Dragon Gate USA putting on some of the best shows of last year, and then there's promotions like AAW, F1RST & JAPW ready to break out and new promotions like EVOLVE with a ton of potential just starting up.

Compare that to that state of the indies from 96-00, you had ECW who were like the only show worth mentioning in town, then there was a bunch of promotions run by old guys that were geared towards making money from ticket sales rather than on tapes. WWF & WCW were constantly at each others throats, always looking to one-up each other with the next big talent, whereas the little guy ECW was making in-roads and becoming more widely known among the general wrestling public, creating great oppertunities for indy guys to get noticed at a lower level. When ECW went under and Vince won the Monday Night Wars it created a void in indy wrestling that promotions like MLW, JAPW, CZW & ROH were only too happy to fill, and while the lack of competition at the top has caused Vince's business to stagnate, it's also the direct reason why there is and has been so much good stuff in indy wrestling over the past decade.
 
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avatar299

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Zen said:
He talked a bit about how MMA has been taking away their business. As someone who's just sort of tuning back into wrestling on account of Bret, how much so has MMA been impacted WWE? Are we talking big decline? PPV buyrates? What? I'd think a part of the problem would be MMA taking away the demographics that the WWE relies on and well as tons of potential new fans.
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It's taken basically nothing. The problem with the "MMA kills wrestling" argument is no one has ever proved it. Yeah UFC has better PPV buyrates, but how much of that is poor wrestling booking. Royal Rumble, SummerSlam and Wrestlmania still outdraw MMA shows and ironically, those are the best booked wrestling shows.

Hell TnA 1.5 is comparable to a lot of the UFC shows on Spike.
 
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Fersis

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avatar299 said:
It's taken basically nothing. The problem with the "MMA kills wrestling" argument is no one has ever proved it. Yeah UFC has better PPV buyrates, but how much of that is poor wrestling booking. Royal Rumble, SummerSlam and Wrestlmania still outdraw MMA shows and ironically, those are the best booked wrestling shows.

Hell TnA 1.5 is comparable to a lot of the UFC shows on Spike.
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Well the difference is that UFC/MMA is kind of new compared to wrestling.
Its a growing business. (And its 'real' so you can bet on them :lol )
MMA is the 'new' boxing.
 
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hertog

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Just watched RAW some thoughts:

positive:
- I marked seeing Bret Hart again
- Loved the superkick tease
- McMahon is still one of the greatest characters in the whole wrestling world
- Chance for Hart / McMahon on WM 26
- They continue with Miz and Maryse, they are great together
- No Cena, that was glorious!

meh:

- Swagger being buried
- MVP and Henry... are they still a tag team???
- Kofi should go to SD! very soon, he's done on raw
- Why are legacy still together? CAWdy en Ted are useless, give their pushes to Swagger, Miz, MVP or Kofi

negative:

- HHH pinning Jericho again..... sigh
- I keep forgetting that sheamus is champion, and he screams midcard to me
- That goddamn motherfucking leprechaun!!!!!! I hate everything about him and DX. Give me serious HBK as an in ring talent please.

I expected something more, but any Cena-free week is still an instant classic wrestling week to me. Please give Bret Hart a show in Canada:D
 
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Jube3

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avatar299 said:
It's taken basically nothing. The problem with the "MMA kills wrestling" argument is no one has ever proved it. Yeah UFC has better PPV buyrates, but how much of that is poor wrestling booking. Royal Rumble, SummerSlam and Wrestlmania still outdraw MMA shows and ironically, those are the best booked wrestling shows.

Hell TnA 1.5 is comparable to a lot of the UFC shows on Spike.
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I just googled some numbers and Wrestlemania didnt outdraw UFC 100 (their big event of the year) which had numbers reported at 1.5 mill buys. I couldnt find numbers from Summer Slam though.

* WrestleMania – 970,000
* Backlash – 185,000
* Judgment Day – 235,000
taken from here: http://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/wi/2009/0714/427249/vince_mcmahon/index.shtml


WWE has released new buyrate information on their recent pay-per-views, two out of three of which have shown increases from the events held in the same months last year. Breaking Point in September 2009 did just under 200,000 buys, showing a decline from Unforgiven 2008, which managed 225,000. Hell in the Cell in October 2009 did 300,000 buys, which is up from the 261,000 buys for No Mercy 2008. The other October event, Bragging Rights, is currently estimated at 200,000 buys, which is already up from the 153,000 buys for Cyber Sunday 2008.
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http://wrestling.insidepulse.com/2009/12/04/latest-wwe-ppv-buyrates/

UFC average numbers are are 300k on average for event with the title fights being in the 600k range. Bigger Headliner fights are in the 600-1Mill area. UFC is definitely riding high at the moment but who knows how long these things last.How much do the lower end wrestlers make a year would you guys say in WWE? Just curious on which career would be more intriguing to a young wrestler/fighter. We've seen both fighters and wrestlers make the jumps before (Shamrock to WWE, Lesnar/Lashley MMA).
 
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Dirtyshubb

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Got round to watching Impact last night and thought overall it was great, lets just hope what Hogan/EB were saying in the ring is true and that is their plans with TNA.

On a sidenote i LOVED the line from the Pope about Orlando Jorden:

"If that Woopie wannabee calls me boy 1 more time im gonna show him what a Danny Glover backhand is like! (immitating woopie in colour purple)'Sorry sir' "

For a second i was thinking "Whats he mean" and of course i got the reference and me and my wife were half laughing and half shocked which was a great thing :D
 
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MooSeePoo

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Crikey... You can tell Cornette is one bitter, bitter man from the time he has spent in the industry, not just TNA and WWE.

That said though, that "review" was more entertaining than anything I've seen on TNA or WWE in years!
 
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Jeff Albertson

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I actually think TNA's rating isn't that spectacular, wasn't Hulk predicting a 3.0?

Anyway it was always going to do well being billed as its biggest ever night and promising surprises, keeping it up will be hard especially if it's pre recorded.

Next weeks impact sounds poor I think as well.
 
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