Is that how we now describe people who suffocate infant to death with bare hands?
I was thinking more in line of cold hearted murderer.
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14 year old girl has baby in toilet and then kills it
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Is that how we now describe people who suffocate infant to death with bare hands?
I was thinking more in line of cold hearted murderer.
SquiddyCracker
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Who knows, she might be a very hot hearted murderer.
I wouldn't mind her getting charged up with manslaughter, so long as her sentence does not involve prison but rather a long and extensive stay at a mental facility for the purpose of rehabilitation.
so at least we agree on the murderer part.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Terrible story,terrible girl,terrible mom.
lol
Like you cant tell from Devo's posts .. :barf:
Lets not turn this into a sexist tangent now. Let's just go back to shifting blame ..
Wut?
SquiddyCracker
Banned
She was in Florida, so in order for her to be able to get an abortion, one of her parents would have to be informed beforehand.
Also, the comparison with boys is invalid as someone undergoing a pregnancy can experience some serious chemical imbalances that might manifest as post-partum depression. In a hospital, this is less of an issue as there is social support at hands, but if one were to experience it without any support whatsoever - who knows how the mother might react.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Even if her mother failed its not her fault that the daughter killed the baby.
Noisy Ninj4
Member
There are, in fact, cases where women have killed their newborn children because of post-partum psychosis or depression. I don't think this was the case here, though.
You should read into the Jamie Bulger murder and see what someone younger than 14 is capable of.
Her is age is no excuse, stop making it one ...... a person of that age obviously knows murdering an infant is wrong.
Moving over my question to the new page, with the hope that somebody knows the answer.
In states with parental consent requirements, if the daughter wants an abortion but the parents don't allow for it, is it the parents' responsibility to care for the daughter's child until the daughter is 18?
(For those who missed my earlier post, I am aware that this hypothetical circumstance does not correspond to the events in the article).
In states with parental consent requirements, if the daughter wants an abortion but the parents don't allow for it, is it the parents' responsibility to care for the daughter's child until the daughter is 18?
(For those who missed my earlier post, I am aware that this hypothetical circumstance does not correspond to the events in the article).
SquiddyCracker
Banned
I actually tried to find some answer to your question, but all I could find was that parents are financially responsible for their children until they are 18.
I presume that this would extend to their grandchildren as well, so long as their daughter is underage.
Shadow2222
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She may be a Goodson, but she certainly isn't a good daughter. Terrible story, I can't believe that people can do these things.
If you read it again I don't include her killing the baby as part of that but everything leading up to it.
Yeah, it's surprisingly hard to find the straight answer to the question using Google.
EDIT: Found this. http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1314887
Angry Fork
Member
The thought of suffocating/choking a baby is possibly the worst image ever. And this was a single incident. It reminds you that this happened by the hundreds/thousands during the holocaust but via even worse methods. I remember someone posting a story here probably gaborn about a lady putting their baby in a microwave. I don't even know what to say to this stuff it's hard to type these sentences because then it goes into your head.
14 is rough to judge. It's a transitional age and I'm not sure it's fair to say every 14 year old should understand the consequences. It's obvious she knew it was wrong to do but it also seems obvious that she legitimately thought the reaction from her family/other people about having a baby would be worse than killing it. It doesn't seem like she killed the baby just because she was lazy/didn't care but she just had no clue what else to do and didn't have any support.
She must have been in such a terrible environment to be deathly afraid about revealing she was pregnant/having a kid. I don't know if 14 is old enough to realize how selfish that is and what it really means to kill a baby like that. People saying try her as a adult are being way too reactionary.
14 is rough to judge. It's a transitional age and I'm not sure it's fair to say every 14 year old should understand the consequences. It's obvious she knew it was wrong to do but it also seems obvious that she legitimately thought the reaction from her family/other people about having a baby would be worse than killing it. It doesn't seem like she killed the baby just because she was lazy/didn't care but she just had no clue what else to do and didn't have any support.
She must have been in such a terrible environment to be deathly afraid about revealing she was pregnant/having a kid. I don't know if 14 is old enough to realize how selfish that is and what it really means to kill a baby like that. People saying try her as a adult are being way too reactionary.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Alright, that's a fairly comprehensive answer. So in the event of a teen pregnancy, it seems like both sets of parents to the teen couple would be financially liable, until they reach the age of 18.
Why are people acting like a 14 year old has no common sense? We aren't animals, we know what's right, and what's wrong. Ignorance isn't an excuse, even being mentally unstable doesn't justify being able to be let off the hook with a slap on the wrist. Like Squiddy said, if she's mentally unstable than she needs a long stay at a mental facility, if not, then she needs to be in prison for awhile.
The idea that minors shouldn't be held accountable for heinous crimes such as rape and murder sickens me, especially if you have definite proof.
The idea that minors shouldn't be held accountable for heinous crimes such as rape and murder sickens me, especially if you have definite proof.
Uncle0wnage
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She went full on Hetty on that baby, damn. This is terrible.
I can't find myself holding any empathy for this girl whatsoever. Sure the mother may have failed her as both a guardian and educator, but come the hell on. Once you're prying yourself open with a pair of scissors, getting at your fetus, there should be a junction where any rational and stable human being would stop and think "Well, maybe I should at least go try and get some help before I become a certified murderer".
How does one even come to the conclusion of strangling a baby to death? Horrible little girl, and I could blame her environment, her circumstances and her parents for the actions that occurred, but I won't. Because fuck, she's old enough to know what's morally right and wrong, and this shit certainly isn't right.
She's too young to go to jail, but get her some clinical help. Long, clinical help.
How does one even come to the conclusion of strangling a baby to death? Horrible little girl, and I could blame her environment, her circumstances and her parents for the actions that occurred, but I won't. Because fuck, she's old enough to know what's morally right and wrong, and this shit certainly isn't right.
She's too young to go to jail, but get her some clinical help. Long, clinical help.
Ninja Scooter
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I can't even muster up any anger for the girl. I just feel sorry for everyone involved. Yeah she was 14 and 14 is old enough to know better, but considering the circumstances I'd wager she was a really fucked up, unstable 14 year old who (judging by her own mom's ignorance and stupidity) had a fucked up life.
Devolution
Member
So much passive aggressiveness.
gutter_trash
Banned
this is what happens in a state with poor sex eduaction, hard core christian conservative values on abstinence an shit.
The fear of telling your mother that your pregnant is BIGGER than the fear of going to jail after killing your own pre-teen baby.
The girl was in the wrong, but what kind of mother did she have that did not know the body of her own daughter was changing?
The fear of telling your mother that your pregnant is BIGGER than the fear of going to jail after killing your own pre-teen baby.
The girl was in the wrong, but what kind of mother did she have that did not know the body of her own daughter was changing?
Ninja Scooter
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A 14 year old who was raised by a mom dumb enough to let her take fucking pregnancy tests in private probably doesn't have any common sense.
Wait... So you're saying that's why the girl didn't have the sense to know murdering her baby is wrong?
scar tissue
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Funny how if she had killed the baby 10(or even two) hours earlier, it would technically have been an "abortion".
I'm not pro-life, just sayin'. The line we draw is weird and arbitrary.
Edit: Also, this kind of post-birth trauma resulting in the death of the baby isn't exactly a new thing, is it?
I believe there are even special laws in place to differentiate this from regular murder, because women tend to be emotionally unstable immediately after birth.
I'm not pro-life, just sayin'. The line we draw is weird and arbitrary.
Edit: Also, this kind of post-birth trauma resulting in the death of the baby isn't exactly a new thing, is it?
I believe there are even special laws in place to differentiate this from regular murder, because women tend to be emotionally unstable immediately after birth.
Why not. I'm upset after reading the story and appalled by some of the posts in here. But then, hey its GAF!
She's 14. *WINK*
Neonaticide? There is no evidence to suggest its a mental problem its something that seems to be observed all around the world regardless developed/underdeveloped nation, culture, ethnicity, rich/poor, race. The last thread on gaf I can remember about a newborn being murdered by its mother gaf/news source tried to blame Islam for it because the women was Muslim. But every case seems unique and there is no one reason you can point too that causes this.
IMO the person is just depraved and deserve full responsibility and punishment under the law.
ClassyPenguin
Banned
Because that works oh so well with teen criminals.
Twilight Princess
Member
I'm ok with this. I'll be angry if she kills an adult. Babies getting killed doesn't elicit any emotion from me.
Ninja Scooter
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I'm saying she is not only 14, she is probably a really mentally messed up 14 year old. I'm saying she probably panicked and thought that killing a newborn baby and hiding it from everyone was a reasonable solution to her problem, because that's the way a fucked up 14 year old would think. I'm just saying I feel more sad than angry at her. Her life was probably messed up before and will probably be messed up beyond repair now.
Willkiller
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SquiddyCracker
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If only people thought rationally all the time.
I agree with you though on her needing some clinical help for a looong time.
For her own sake, and for the sake of the rest of us.
I'm not sure what part of the post you're saying that to.
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