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14 year old girl has baby in toilet and then kills it
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THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
and the 14 year old is lower than what?
Checking for a pulse means a fucking lot
ScreenSplitter
Member
After reading that, I seriously need to go do something really nice and non-fucked up 
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Deterrence wise I don't think it has that much of an effect either way, as I presume that the girl was driven to do this in desperation (and a good dose of craziness).
Personally, I think it's better to help these desperate folk and focus energies on making sure others don't end up as desperate in the first place.
Why does one keep a pregnancy secret for nine months and then attempt to get rid of the baby?
Maybe she was ashamed and didn't want anyone to ever find out that she had been pregnant (and she thought that by giving it up to adoption it might be traced back to her, same if she had an abortion). If that's the case, then maybe one should make a targeted effort at combating the shaming these young mothers might experience, and/or make abortion/safe sex-practices a socially acceptable thing that there is no shame in.
Hey man, if you're old enough to fuck around, you're old enough to be accountable when you fuck up.
She was probably incredibly scared and panicked. Maybe a bit mentally not there either. People can do crazy things in times like that. Having a baby, alone in a toilet, no one knows, she'd be terrified. No excuse for what she did but there is...reasoning behind it. I can't imaging she was pleased at what she had done.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Screw this world.....seriously.
mclaren777
Member
We're all pretty messed up.
ScreenSplitter
Member
She's 14. By 14 I knew not to get someone pregnant, but if I had by accident, I wouldn't kill it. I'd be scared as fuck, but however your quality of life would be impacted, you'd killed your own flesh and blood. That kid will never grow up, never call you by your name... it just sickens me.
I completely understand HER reasoning, but I don't understand why she reasoned that way.
Exactly. Well, not encourage baby murders directly, but force teens to act irrationally, leading to such things as baby murders.
She is to blame, but before her, her country, her state and her parents.
In her mind the idea of having the baby scared her so much she went overboard. Her reasoning that way was most likely "oh god oh god oh god I can't have this baby! I can't! What do I do?!?!". It was incredibly stupid. Having sex so young, unprotected, hiding it, having it in a toilet, she's a massive idiot. Though I feel kind of sorry for her in a bizarre way. There is no way she will ever lose the mental scaring of killing a baby. Maybe if she had just changed one thing her life and her babies life would have been okay.
shadowsdarknes
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It's only a lot because it's written in the article for shock value.
I've read this entire thread and the overreactions are astounding. She's a 14 year old who gave birth on a fucking toilet. It seems like she panicked.
ClassyPenguin
Banned
Adoption?
Nevermind, don't want to change the subject.
Also, people are forgetting what being 14 was like and overstating decision making at that age.. These are still kids. Incarceration doesn't even work for a lot of teen murderers.
Hell, even some adults don't know how to practice safe-sex.
You have my sympathies.
My friend tried for years and he still comments about the expecting mothers standing outside the maternity ward in their dressing gowns SMOKING!!!!
It's a shitty world we live in.
legacyzero
Banned
Why did I click this thread.
Why? I knew what I was getting myself into. I knew, so why? Shit is just infuriating.
Why? I knew what I was getting myself into. I knew, so why? Shit is just infuriating.
Ravensmash
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What a disgusting girl.
Yes, I do hope she is tried and held accountable for this. So many better alternatives to ending an innocent newborn child's life.
Yes, I do hope she is tried and held accountable for this. So many better alternatives to ending an innocent newborn child's life.
I don't think it's appropriate that they identified her, her school and threw her picture up on the net for the entire world to see, regardless of what she did.
I feel the mother has a lot of responsibility for this. Being in denial about your pregnant daughter and hoping that a problem will just go away by itself is incredibly bad parenting.
I feel the mother has a lot of responsibility for this. Being in denial about your pregnant daughter and hoping that a problem will just go away by itself is incredibly bad parenting.
PhoenixSFT
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Agreed, then the mom found blood in the toilet and the daughter went with a miscarriage story? Wasn't she trying to avoid pregnancy implications?
Snowden's Secret
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Serving time in prison is a lesser sentence than being a 14 year old mother, and the girl is a lot smarter than most other teenage mothers (OH I LOVE IT I HAVE TO RAISE IT).
That said, she's a fucking child murderer and should be treated as such. Come on lady, you could have put it up for adoption.
I'm not condoning this act at all (she 'child murderer') but history has had more Hitlers than Einsteins.
That said, she's a fucking child murderer and should be treated as such. Come on lady, you could have put it up for adoption.
I'm not condoning this act at all (she 'child murderer') but history has had more Hitlers than Einsteins.
His mother and grandmother weren't exactly rocket scientists, so I don't think so.
ClassyPenguin
Banned
There is a difference with defending her actions and understanding what drove her to do this.
Failures in parenting, family and society. The girl should be given therapy, perhaps in a mental health institution not just either imprisoned or completely forgiven.
beyond_death
Member
This is sickening. I think it may have ruined my night.
Okay, okay, I'm not really going to defend her, but there are some significant differences between a 14 year old boy killing a baby and a 14 year old girl who has just given birth killing her baby.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Well, this just ruined my morning. If you'll excuse me I need to go throw up.
It seems one of the bigger deterrents to an abortion was the requirement for parental consent. I understand why some places have this requirement in place, but I think it would be better to allow them to all ages, anonymously.
Question for legal-GAF:
In states with parental consent requirements, if the daughter wants an abortion but the parents don't allow for it, is it the parents' responsibility to care for the daughter's child until the daughter is 18?
Question for legal-GAF:
In states with parental consent requirements, if the daughter wants an abortion but the parents don't allow for it, is it the parents' responsibility to care for the daughter's child until the daughter is 18?
So it's not that bad, because it was her own baby?
Like I said, I'm not going to defend her, but you have to accept that there are significant psychological and emotional processes that go on behind the scenes during a pregnancy and birthing that a 14-year-old boy just doesn't encounter.
TheContact
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She put her hands around the babies throat with the intention of killing the baby. That's murder. Then she checked the pulse to make sure the baby was dead. I don't think she should be tried on par with adult premeditated murder, but at the very very least, depending on the circumstances, she should tried for manslaughter.
InvincibleAgent
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This is what happens when you outlaw abortion.
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THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.
Abortions will still occur. But with abortion legal, it can happen earlier in the process. Before consciousness, before pulse, etc. Without the need for the same degree of trauma for the mother and family.
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THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.
Abortions will still occur. But with abortion legal, it can happen earlier in the process. Before consciousness, before pulse, etc. Without the need for the same degree of trauma for the mother and family.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Fear.
Always scary to see people acting because of it. Rational thought goes right out the window.
Always scary to see people acting because of it. Rational thought goes right out the window.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
It does seem like a bad idea to require parental consent.
I could see how parental notification (after an abortion has been committed) is a good idea as parents should be privy to whether or not their kids have gotten pregnant, and gotten an abortion, but by making parental consent a thing you might end up with a situation where a child is pretty much forced to give birth.
If we don't force adult women to give birth, why do we allow it to be a possibility for a child?
Mackenzie 92
Member
Her parents are partly responsible. How in the fuck do you not know you're daughter is pregnant. Had her mom not been in denial and talked to her daughter this could have been prevented and the infant could have been put up for adoption.
As for the daughter, I just don't know. Trying to imagine her mindset combined with giving birth and hiding it and everything going on with hormones and depression and anxiety, I kinda think she just temporarily lost it. Unless she really did plan to murder it all along. Hard to know without the facts. In any case, she needs help of some kind. Not sure if that is jail time or a mental hospital.
As for the daughter, I just don't know. Trying to imagine her mindset combined with giving birth and hiding it and everything going on with hormones and depression and anxiety, I kinda think she just temporarily lost it. Unless she really did plan to murder it all along. Hard to know without the facts. In any case, she needs help of some kind. Not sure if that is jail time or a mental hospital.
Noisy Ninj4
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Children don't have much in the way of rights. At least not if a parent or acting guardian (be it a person or agency) doesn't want them to.
weekend_warrior
Banned
Jesus fuckballs man.
See, you try to find excuses for her evil behaviour.
Because a girl wouldn't do that. A girl wouldn't do that to her own baby. There have to be reasons, which forced her to kill it. She could have just brought it to a hospital and leave the baby on the doorstep. Done. She knew that she was pregnant the whole time. It wasn't even one of the "oh, I didn't know that I was pregnant"-births.
See, if her 14 year old boyfriend killed it, noone would defend him, even if he "panicked" and "killed it" (even by accident), although it would have been his baby as well. But here, that girl killed it in cold blood. She knew what she was doing. 14-year olds are not babies anymore, they should definitely know that killing another human is murder. Still people look for reasons to defend it. Must have been her mother. Or someone else. Anything but her.
And I just noticed that the father of the baby isn't mentioned anywhere in the article.
Indrid Cold1
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Crazily, yes. There are a shit ton of wet blankets ITT who have totally glossed over the fact that this person choked the life out of another person and then concealed this act. At the age of 14 you know right from wrong. To state that she should not be tried for murder/manslaughter and subsequently incarcerated is a mind numbingly ludicrous position. She has comitted an unlawful and absolutely heinous killing. The responsibly for this act rests with her and she should be punished for it, to the fullest extent of the law.
Noisy Ninj4
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I thought of this too. She might have done all of this to protect him, especially if he is over 18 (or he coerced/convinced her to). Pure speculation there.
14-year-old boys aren't affected by post-partum depression or affective pregnancy denial.
I didn't blame her actions on anyone but her. Excuses aren't reasons, and it's horrible regardless of whether or not it's her or some boy.
ClassyPenguin
Banned
What?
Almost no one is saying she should walk free as if nothing happened.
Noisy Ninj4
Member
I think he's saying we shouldn't bother with all that "extenuating circumstances" talk and just throw her in the slammer for 30-60 years. Sounds
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Thaedolus
Member
This. Fuck this story.
Geez, this is terrible. There are multiple ressources for pregnant teens. Drop it at the firestation. Tell a councilor, hell your mom! She's right there living under the same roof. And now your baby is murdered. No, you're just evil
This story really hits me since like I said in the girlgaf thread, a friend of mine conceiled her pregnancy to her entire family and never went to the doctor. And healthy babies on top of that. count your blessings.
This story really hits me since like I said in the girlgaf thread, a friend of mine conceiled her pregnancy to her entire family and never went to the doctor. And healthy babies on top of that. count your blessings.
I don't like people using the term evil or saying a 14 year old being an idiot is an excuse. You know right and wrong at 14 but in my opinion it's to do with the state of mind at the time. Fear was the cause of all this and a break down of any rational thought during the pregnancy, it's easy to forget how powerful emotions can be which can drive many people to do crazy things regardless of age.
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