Gen.Grievous
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Pointing a gun at someone is a more likely reason. BB guns can be indistinguishable from real ones unless you have it in your hand.
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16 y/o teen shot dead by police in Arkansas while carrying a BB gun
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JonnyDBrit
Member
Only in the specific context of British society, and even then I'm at the absolute fringes of what might count. I'm a quarter Polish, Catholic in a Protestant country, and autistic. However, my secondary school was a Catholic school, while my Dad grew up in London so I never inherited anything of my Grandfather's accent, so that's two out of three pretty much discounted entirely.
The fact it could be so different based on some arbitrary, bullshit judgement of my ancestry is frankly frightening.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Racist pieces of trash coming out of the woodwork to defend cops killing black kids....pathetic.
It is pathetic. Seriously who the hell cares even if people are wrong in here and the officers aren't at fault?
Let's break this down. The officers will have the police officers, the police institution, the police unions, politicians, lawyers, judges, the courts, the state, likely the jury, general public opinion on their sides.
Who does this child have have? I'll take the side of the child and if I'm wrong who the fuck cares? So many people want to defend the most protected people in America it's unreal, especially when a child is killed holding a damn BB gun. I'm sure they aren't motivated by anything for their instincts to want to defend the police here, no siree.
Sad Affleck
Member
They shot a teenager in the back of the head. What the fuck is wrong with these people.
Mammoth Jones
Member
I absolutely agree in theory. However what proof do we have that's what happened? I'm supposed to take the cops word for it? No camera feed? Sorry but too many cops lie to cover a bad shoot.
If he drew on cops how is he shot in the back of the head? I'm not saying the cops are definitely lying. I'm just saying I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt. Lord knows we don't get that shit 99.9999999999999999% of the time.
And why isn't there more info in the op? A simple question like "Why were they called there" wasn't answered. It's called transparency and goes a long way to build the public's trust rather than saying as little as possible while you get your story straight.
My first thought exactly. Yeah, you risk your life if you have a bb gun in front of cops nowadays, because they look so real.
However, since both shots were from the rear, I have to wonder if he was actually given a warning, or if the cops just went to "11" immediately. If I had to guess, I would lean towards the latter, but I would sure like to know if there was bodycam footage.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
You know in contra 3 when you can dual wield guns and spin agroun in a circle shooting. Something like that
Somehow, first world countries with decent police didn't devolve into a Mad Max like state. Somehow. "Split second decisions " my fucking ass.
Apparently there isn't, which makes it dodgy as hell for me, basically polices word for everything
hammysaurusrex
Member
It's depressing how quickly the Murder Defense Force shows up in threads where the victim is black and contrast it with the near unanimous sentiment for the victim the Minneapolis case had.
edit: wrong city
edit: wrong city
holygeesus
Banned
I've posted this before, but this is how quickly you can react to a potential threat reaching for a weapon - check how quickly, in particular, the armed police officer on the passenger (left side here in the UK) side of the car draws his weapon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehzq9OdE2w0&list=PLOk4cCeB1QijkAqm30VttiF38y7uQ1FfM
It's been said time and time again but you just need to train your police better folks. Until you do, these incidents will continue to happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehzq9OdE2w0&list=PLOk4cCeB1QijkAqm30VttiF38y7uQ1FfM
It's been said time and time again but you just need to train your police better folks. Until you do, these incidents will continue to happen.
What in the hell?
First thing they need to look at is unpaid suspension, BADLY. Paid leave is basically a vacation for ****ing up.
Trickster
Member
I'm not saying this to defend the cops. But I would like to point out that your argument is deeply flawed. If we had anywhere near the same gun problem in Europe as the US has, then maybe you could make that argument.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Racist ass hypocrites, the lot of them.
And once again, this is disgusting. It just keeps happening, get your shit together USA ffs.
No not really, when you join the police force you know the risks involved. You are there to serve and protect the people and not your own ass. The innocent civilian shouldn't be prepared to get shot by the police.
White folks can walk around with assault rifles in public and there is no problem but when a black kid walks around with a BB gun he gets shot in the back of the head. It's not hard to see the hypocrisy.
Frozenprince
Banned
A mentally ill child gets shot to death but HEY some of y'all got jokes and "Nah I ain't racist y'all's the REAL racists". And I'm sure none of you will even remember Aries was shot and killed within a day or so of this thread hitting the second page.
Meanwhile, white Australian woman gets shot and we got a national outrage and unilateral demands for "police reform" and, weirdly, some horrible racist shit said about the Somali population.
Meanwhile, white Australian woman gets shot and we got a national outrage and unilateral demands for "police reform" and, weirdly, some horrible racist shit said about the Somali population.
Mammoth Jones
Member
I remember being so fucking mad my mom wouldn't let me have a bb gun for my 13th birthday. John had one. Dave had one. We all went into the woods and shot soda cans with a car overgrown with grass as a backstop.
I didn't understand for the longest why I couldn't have a pump bb gun.
But my parents knew the deal. Breaks my heart I now know the deal. And will have to keep my kids from certain things. But whatever.
And after Tamir Rice I'm not giving the police the benefit of the doubt. Sorry.
I didn't understand for the longest why I couldn't have a pump bb gun.
But my parents knew the deal. Breaks my heart I now know the deal. And will have to keep my kids from certain things. But whatever.
And after Tamir Rice I'm not giving the police the benefit of the doubt. Sorry.
old manatee
Banned
So many Americans still think that carrying a gun makes them safer. Carrying a gun makes you more likely to get killed by the police. They'll kill a child with a bbgun just in case. They don't give a fuck. Go ahead, reach for your permit and just explain it to them rationally. I'm sure they won't just interpret that as a furtive movement.
Just looked up the video of the thugs singing about the death of M. Brown. Sounds absolutely insane, moral cops in the force you have to stop being cowards and fight your system from the inside, you can't let a monster roam and devour forever because eventually it will turn on you too. Its never satisfied.
https://youtu.be/VLHk6K_6SHs
https://youtu.be/VLHk6K_6SHs
Frozenprince
Banned
How many black kids been shot and almost killed or killed for holding toy guns or even shit that just look like a gun? Fuck their benefit of the doubt.
We all know the game. It's something we all learned painfully. But we learned.
They need to prove their innocence just like everybody else, I ain't about to take a structurally racist institutions word about if they didn't murder a mentally ill black child.
Sure is funny how the black cop who did this gets fired and charged real quick though.
So many people hoping for any sliver to justify this. Anything to say he deserved it. We got videos of white folk getting into family fights with cops with no deaths even though a cop was injured, we got video of white folk walking into police stations in full armor and they alive... we got stories of white folk walking into stores with automatic weapons in full sight still alive.
But eh... this kid waived a fake gun in the air and yall say that crossed a line.
Im calling out every poster telling others to wait... the transparency is real and none of the bullshit you try and peddle can cover up the fact that minorities are on a shoot first basis and white folk are not.
The shit is ridiculous to defend and above else you should be calling for reform with police if you really waiting on " facts."
The cops don't need your voice cause they'll most likely get off regardless.
But eh... this kid waived a fake gun in the air and yall say that crossed a line.
Im calling out every poster telling others to wait... the transparency is real and none of the bullshit you try and peddle can cover up the fact that minorities are on a shoot first basis and white folk are not.
The shit is ridiculous to defend and above else you should be calling for reform with police if you really waiting on " facts."
The cops don't need your voice cause they'll most likely get off regardless.
It's scary (and sad) to see such threads appearing nearly daily...
I'm also surprised there's no more public outrage (I remember riots* here when teens got killed after hiding in a high voltage box, trying to escape from police...)
Well, now, police is so scared of accidents that it seems that policemen have unofficial orders to avoid chasing people in case the chase could go bad.
* some US channels said at that time that Bagdad was safer than Paris, but it was of course greaty exagerated... but that gives you an idea about how this turned out...
I'm also surprised there's no more public outrage (I remember riots* here when teens got killed after hiding in a high voltage box, trying to escape from police...)
Well, now, police is so scared of accidents that it seems that policemen have unofficial orders to avoid chasing people in case the chase could go bad.
* some US channels said at that time that Bagdad was safer than Paris, but it was of course greaty exagerated... but that gives you an idea about how this turned out...
TheChocolateWar
Member
You left out the brandishing part.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
And thread.
EdibleKnife
Member
I'm sick of this shit but the stuff that disgusts me the most is the ironclad proof from posters that mainstream America will do anything to justify black death. Police involvement or not.
I was about to say that a lot of BB guns nowadays look very much like actual firearms and easily could be mistaken, but reading that they just showed up and shot the kid without trying to get him to put down the BB gun before arresting him is shitty as all hell.
Pretty much,
Show up,
Shoot down,
Head to McDonald's for food.
Pretty much,
Show up,
Shoot down,
Head to McDonald's for food.
I'm following this one, and I follow all of them as I see 'em. If you mean by showing up, as in participating, then I don't know about that. I'm not sure who is and isn't law enforcement on here.
What? We had a cop involved in the discussion just in the past couple of pages.
I'm familiar with you but you are the only one I know who still frequents them.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Is there any chance of any footage ever coming out, like body cam or dash cam? Maybe the kid pointed his BB gun at the officers and they weren't aware it was a BB gun. That's the only justification I can think of for shooting him. Anything else and it should (but won't be) murder/manslaughter charges for the officers. I'd also like to know what he was doing at that center and what the center told police when they called. It could be like that incident where that dumb cunt inside of a Walmart saw a dude carrying a pellet gun or something from the shelf in sporting goods and called police saying a guy was in WM with a gun and the cops went in already escalated into a probable shooting situation.
Then again the kid was in therapy at that center, maybe they saw him outside with a gun and knew it was trouble. Hard to blame them if they called police legit worried about the other kids inside the building and their staff. So then it comes back to the police, did they get this call and roll up ready to shoot at any sign of a gun, or did he point his gun at them and they opened fire? GAF really says some stupid shit sometimes when it comes to police and their procedures, and the police really do some stupid shit sometimes as well. But are officers supposed to wait to be shot at before firing their guns? I don't think that makes any sense for the officers or the public. If you see someone with a gun acting aggressive with it towards the public or yourselves, put them down please. That's my opinion on that matter. However, maybe this was just another case of over anxious police shooting too early. Article says they have no details on whether there's body cam footage, hopefully we get it.
And hopefully we can end this nonsense about "didn't even have to read the article to know the victim was black". Yeah, I didn't either. Because it was posted on GAF.
Then again the kid was in therapy at that center, maybe they saw him outside with a gun and knew it was trouble. Hard to blame them if they called police legit worried about the other kids inside the building and their staff. So then it comes back to the police, did they get this call and roll up ready to shoot at any sign of a gun, or did he point his gun at them and they opened fire? GAF really says some stupid shit sometimes when it comes to police and their procedures, and the police really do some stupid shit sometimes as well. But are officers supposed to wait to be shot at before firing their guns? I don't think that makes any sense for the officers or the public. If you see someone with a gun acting aggressive with it towards the public or yourselves, put them down please. That's my opinion on that matter. However, maybe this was just another case of over anxious police shooting too early. Article says they have no details on whether there's body cam footage, hopefully we get it.
And hopefully we can end this nonsense about "didn't even have to read the article to know the victim was black". Yeah, I didn't either. Because it was posted on GAF.
Vicetrailia
Banned
Exactly. They did it because he was black.
Viewing American citizens (a kid no less) as animals that need to be "put down" when they act up is pretty fucking disturbing. Christ man.
I wasn't commenting on the article or attempting to justify any shooting.
I was saying its ridiculous to expect anyone to wait until they are getting bullets shot at them to shoot back. Anyone who cant understand that is so blinded there is no having a logical discussion with them.
EdibleKnife
Member
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North Carolina Man Arrested After Brandishing Shotgun At Passing Cars & Shooting Pistol At Deputy
Man With Airsoft Gun Is Arrested After 6 Hour Standoff
Other counties get by with out blasting anyone holding a weapon.
I know it's definitely not an equal comparison, since citizens AND cops here are armed to the teeth. That's the bigger problem when you get down to it.
Raylan Targaryen
Member
i eagerly await their responses
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Not disturbing at all. A dog doesn't need to be put down. A dog with rabies that is biting people, yeah, please put that dog down.
I have no issues with police shooting first if someone is acting aggressive with a deadly weapon. Which in this case, they could have been. Sadly it's just as likely they were just too trigger happy going in.
I don't know if you realize just how bad this sounds.
Mammoth Jones
Member
You know they ain't gonna respond :/ And if they do it'll be the good ole reliable double down.
Jesus fucking Christ....
Black kids aren't dogs. So it's ridiculous to go along with such an analogy in the first place, right?
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Bad to you, sure. You're welcome to your opinion. I'm not likening human beings to dogs, I just used dogs as an example because you brought animals into the discussion. Putting someone down just has a different meaning to you, that's fine. Nothing else to discuss about it really.
JustSurvive
Member
Agreed, it's this as well as the "Why can't they just shoot them in the arm/leg to stop them?" argument that baffles my mind, because in practical use neither would work in the majority of scenarios and all we would end up with is more dead police officers. Imagine if you were a criminal and having this knowledge, you basically get a "free shot" at the police?