Mammoth Jones
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Except the part where you did. But OK.
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16 y/o teen shot dead by police in Arkansas while carrying a BB gun
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Except the part where you did. But OK.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Agreed. Where the vest cam or dash cam video? I'm done taking a cops word for a shooting. They haven't earned that. Too much corruption.
Gotcha. Yeah it'll be their word against anyone else's in the matter, so we know how this will turn out. I'm sure we'll find out that he was "no angel," as well.
So dead citizens is ok but dead cops isn't. This argument prioritizes police lives over regular citizens.
Way more citizens are killed by cops that cops killed by citizens. By a significant margin. And often times cops are not punished for negligent shootings. The penalty for shooting a cop is extremely heavy and usually means a target on your head.
It's not equal in both directions, in any way.
GuessMyUserName
Member
I can't fucking handle this post what the god damn hell, how does anybody treat, and I quote, *****a kid got killed**** as anything but a serious god damn deal?
I would like a more in depth review of police trainings that isnt based on speculation. Would be nice to maybe even get media documentation in the hiring process. Something doesnt seem right.
I had a close friend I use to work with in college who in a slight alternate timeline I no doubt would be married to, very strong willed wonderful woman, she was in training to be a cop, she got through school and the training and noped the hell out of the entire thing after that. It made me wonder what was going on but I never thought about it seriously until now.
I had a close friend I use to work with in college who in a slight alternate timeline I no doubt would be married to, very strong willed wonderful woman, she was in training to be a cop, she got through school and the training and noped the hell out of the entire thing after that. It made me wonder what was going on but I never thought about it seriously until now.
JustSurvive
Member
Absolutely, I am sure from a budget standpoint getting all police body cams, plus accounting for maintenance and storage is a total nightmare, especially when those budgets are getting more slashed by the day, but this needs to happen somehow.
No it doesn't, that argument simply says that either the "don't shoot unless shot at first" and "shoot to disarm" scenarios will not work, at all.
Yes, police are not punished enough for negligent shootings, but if those two practices were put into place, it puts more power in the hands of the criminals.
Also, is the training different depending on the station/county/city/state/etc? Are areas where these shootings are not out of control have anything to do with the quality of the training or hiring process?
Yet it seems to work fine in first world countries where the police is decent and not a bunch of dimwits with 6 months of terrible training.
Successfully desensitized. Speaks volumes about our culture.
How is crime in places like China, where police can be put to death for corruption and F ups?
Bullshit... when people say to put something down there's no wiggle room that refers to an animal. The only time that refers to a human is when you view that human as no better than an animal.. or beneath you. You said that in your post. Then to try and skirt around it like people with an ounce of intelligence couldn't see that.
This is that transparency i mentioned a page back...
Bolded would be the reason.
They want you following orders. They don't want you to be smart; being smart means that you may question how things are done:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
Oh, so you will agree those ranchers that took over that station and threatened people with guns were like dogs and should have been put down?
JustSurvive
Member
But do the citizens of any other first-world country have anywhere near the firepower that American citizens have? Not trying to justify, but there is a vast difference between the US and the rest, so it makes it difficult to compare. Would other countries be in the same boat as America if guns were as easy to acquire?
SparkleMotion
Member
If a weapon is fired, it's with intent to kill. There's no disabling shot in police training. That's why using your gun is supposed to be an absolute last resort.
Instead we are see "shoot first ask questions later" on a pretty regular basis.
*White WOMAN, an adult, lies about being raped by black men*
"We'll she's mentally ill. She doesn't need prison. She needs help
*Black BOY, a child, with a mental illness to boot, dies from getting shot in the back of the head*
"He should have complied. It's not the cops fault. He needed to be put down like a dog"
FUCKING SERIOUSLY, GUYS?
Some of you should just flatout admit that you're a bigot already and save us the trouble.
"We'll she's mentally ill. She doesn't need prison. She needs help
*Black BOY, a child, with a mental illness to boot, dies from getting shot in the back of the head*
"He should have complied. It's not the cops fault. He needed to be put down like a dog"
FUCKING SERIOUSLY, GUYS?
Some of you should just flatout admit that you're a bigot already and save us the trouble.
Sunster
Member
bombed. immediately. 0 survivors. and if a group of brown guys did that we'd have a presidential address the next day. "Our nation...is under attack" then bombed. 0 survivors.
If you read more to the full story from the news sources that were paraphrased in the Miami Herald article, there is several videos from eye witnesses that have made the rounds on social media, alledegly the kid was threatening to shoot someone at the center, the cops were on the scene for several minutes before they shot him, and the cops opened fire when he started waving the gun around. Arksansas State troopers are handling the case so hopefully a real investigation is done and the families get the answers they desperately want.
Yeah. The headline alone might paint the wrong picture. If you have someone threatening lives with an actual gun, judgement calls will be made as risking the publics or cops life will never be an option. This ain't law an order where you'll always have the worlds greatest cop putting their gun down and walking into danger to save this kid
That's an indictment on law enforcement's quality than anything. For a profession that's so important the bar to be one is quite low. I have to go to school to prove to people I can work a computer but people get handed a badge and gun much quicker.
Yeah. Considering that this isn't getting more attention here compared to the club shooting that happened last month which is still being talked about. Still horrible however.
So there's just simply a disproportionate amount bad judgement calls against POC?
Those same terrible judgement calls that put a greater risk on the lives of certain demographics of the public already?
Maybe that's the issue.
It doesn't help when the general population in the US does their very best to justify these Police related killings, every god damn time.
This is where I'm at. If theyu "forgot" to turn it on or weren't wearing it even though they were supposed to, throw the book at them.
Snarky(HEART)
Banned
So how come cops are able to talk down and arrest white people with guns, but with black people they have to shoot first?
smokeandmirrors
Banned
people like crazepharmacist and bumblebeetuna are the reason why the thugs in blue get away with murder.
the police are a white supremacist organization and started out as such. their roots start at the slave catchers before the civil war.
Snarky❤;244925664 said:
the police are a white supremacist organization and started out as such. their roots start at the slave catchers before the civil war.
The police tend to respond to violent or aggressive mental health issues (in my country).
Shooting someone in the back of the head shouldn't happen, unless the guy was literally pointing the gun at someone.
Snarky(HEART)
Banned
At this point, I think they know what they are doing and are just pushing it to see how many dog whistles they can get away with.
hammysaurusrex
Member
Disgusting.
Didn't even hide what they thought and then left the thread cause there's no discussion to be had on the matter.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Was there a meeting y'all had to keep posting that white people being shot by police isn't talked about on GAF? Revealing yourselves, boy...
Oh, look..
Amazing..not surprising..
I'm glad that we're past coded language as a nation. Tell us how you really feel.
cartographer
Member
Yup.
You just described a black kid getting killed to a dog getting put down, that is some fucked up shit.
(Tries not to get banned)
A 16 black teenager is a dog that needed to be put down, huh? I feel sick after reading this thread.
And yet we have people here lately that will swear up and down that it's the liberals and progressives on GAF that are the problem.
No. Not when these kind of posts still exist.
Dang.
e: Actually number is wrong, or at least has risen since the article was written.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/
Interesting site though. Not sure of the data accuracy but the filters are useful.
What's scary is that seems low to me. I would have thought a higher number.
What trips me out is.....how in the fuck do people, especially COPS believe that of ALL ethnicities....BLACK people would PURPOSELY act aggressively 90% of the time there is a confrontation?? As much as HISTORICALLY we've been fucked off by law enforcement, its a KNOWN thing in the black community and growing up that going against the police is most assuredly a DEATH SENTENCE.
Its always either:
- "He/she lunged at me"
- "He/she pointed a weapon at me"
- "He/she was reaching for something"
- "He/she was holding something"
And some of y'all believe this excuse EVERY time!!
Now I know in that unmentioned 10%..that is for the nuts that actually decide to attack and act aggressively with a weapon but those situations are few and far between for black people. But damn, imma need these cops to stop assuming that EVERY black person that they confront is ready and willing to attack..like who is just wanting to throw they life away like that?? Cause that is EXACTLY what that is if one of us so much as moves a muscle wrong or in a "threatening manner"
Its always either:
- "He/she lunged at me"
- "He/she pointed a weapon at me"
- "He/she was reaching for something"
- "He/she was holding something"
And some of y'all believe this excuse EVERY time!!
Now I know in that unmentioned 10%..that is for the nuts that actually decide to attack and act aggressively with a weapon but those situations are few and far between for black people. But damn, imma need these cops to stop assuming that EVERY black person that they confront is ready and willing to attack..like who is just wanting to throw they life away like that?? Cause that is EXACTLY what that is if one of us so much as moves a muscle wrong or in a "threatening manner"
Prototype Viktor
Member
Guns are only dangerous when not pointed at anything (or real guns) which is why it wasn't dangerous when they pointed it at him and fired
[QUOTE="D";244927633]What trips me out is.....how in the fuck do people, especially COPS believe that of ALL ethnicities....BLACK people would PURPOSELY act aggressively 90% of the time there is a confrontation?? As much as HISTORICALLY we've been fucked off by law enforcement, its a KNOWN thing in the black community and growing up that going against the police is most assuredly a DEATH SENTENCE.
Its always either:
- "He/she lunged at me"
- "He/she pointed a weapon at me"
- "He/she was reaching for something"
- "He/she was holding something"
And some of y'all believe this excuse EVERY time!!
Now I know in that unmentioned 10%..that is for the nuts that actually decide to attack and act aggressively with a weapon but those situations are few and far between for black people. But damn, imma need these cops to stop assuming that EVERY black person that they confront is ready and willing to attack[/QUOTE]
All these cops must just be suffering from economic anxiety.
Its always either:
- "He/she lunged at me"
- "He/she pointed a weapon at me"
- "He/she was reaching for something"
- "He/she was holding something"
And some of y'all believe this excuse EVERY time!!
Now I know in that unmentioned 10%..that is for the nuts that actually decide to attack and act aggressively with a weapon but those situations are few and far between for black people. But damn, imma need these cops to stop assuming that EVERY black person that they confront is ready and willing to attack[/QUOTE]
All these cops must just be suffering from economic anxiety.
I don't even know where to start... JFC, dude...
Your country is scary as hell to me and I'm not even a POC.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
If you ever come back from the ban you'll (hopefully) be getting for this, I hope it's as a better person
What the fuck
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
All these pictures and you paint the one that's the scariest. Is this guy, in this hypothetical picture, a teleporter? How did he get so far away without the cop intervening? You can't follow him? Wait for him to raise a gun? Make a verbal threat? Call for back up?
These stupid hypotheticals always involve the cop ceasing to exist, obtaining more information and making second by second decisions. He supposed to reassess at every point. We shouldn't shoot people in the back of the head because they suggests he wasn't doing anything directly at the cop. He could have been running away and running is not a threat.
Jaguar Victory
Member
Me and my friends got BB guns when we were 16 and went outside to play. Cop flew down the street in an unmarked car threw the car door open with his gun out and screamed to get on the ground. We did and luckily lived to tell the tale. He called for backup and there were 4 co-op cars there soon. The took our BB guns (CO2 rifles as they described it) and let us go. This was 20 years ago before the internet. No matter how innocent our intentions no way I'd do that today with all these crazy cop stories out. I'm sure it happened back then too but we just didn't hear about it. Thinking back at it we were sadly lucky.
Seductivpancakes
Member
If he had a gun pointed at the cops how'd he get shot in the back of the head? Did the cops ninja jump over his head, and then shoot him?
If it looks and smells like bullshit, it's probably bullshit.
If it looks and smells like bullshit, it's probably bullshit.
Mammoth Jones
Member
That's what I'm saying. Personally I think they did the same shit they did to Tamir Rice. Rolled up and shot immediately. No warning. Just this time there's no video to catch them lying. Of course that didn't make a difference then either.