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[Justin Timberlake]

20-3 baybay. That one was a pain to watch. Happy its over.

This win means that the Spurs only have to play .500 ball to get to the ultimate goal of 50. Next win puts Spurs back on pace for a 72 win season.

 

[SoulPlaya]

Denver Post reporting that the ESPN article isn't entirely accurate. He wants out of Denver, but would accept a trade to places other than New York.

ESPN wants him in NY.

 

[Rodeo Clown]

Why would Denver help him now? Knicks have nothing to offer

But they could get role players like Chandler or Galinari (but not both) and picks in like 2016.

 

[pilonv1]

Inaccurate reporting from ESPN? Must be Sunday

 

[giri]

I think it's time to start talk that it was Amar'e making Nash better.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Cause nash has dropped off so much this year.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Seriously, thekads AB > Rose schtick ws better.

 

[GremlinFool]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Cause nash has dropped off so much this year.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Seriously, thekads AB > Rose schtick ws better.

Not a shtick, a legitimate argument.

 

[ollin]

Ken Berger seems to confirm the story and he's been on top of the Melo situation since the start.

 

[giri]

Not a shtick, a legitimate argument.

:lol :lol :lol

Are you a ESPN or NYTimes writer by chance?

 

[pilonv1]

Not a shtick, a legitimate argument.

I agree, Jalen Rose wasn't that good.

 

[DY_nasty]

Not a shtick, a legitimate argument.

No. Its not.

Felton was never a bad point guard*. He's always been more suited to a faster paced system. Dude had 3 different coaches too. Hakim Warrick on the other hand has never been any good. Earl Barron. Channing Frye. None of those guys are starting on 90% of the teams in the league. Nash also has a solid back-up in Dragic. No point in exhausting Nash just to keep his $tats up.

the * represents Felton's sphincter. It looks different now that Jameer took him behind the woodshed.

 

[captmcblack]

Why would Denver help him now? Knicks have nothing to offer

Denver has two choices: get anything now, or get nothing at all in July. Nobody is going to trade anything of value to Denver knowing full well that Carmelo will not extend with them. I know apparently the players that the Knicks have been using to beat people's asses all season (Felton, Fields, Gallinari, Chandler, Douglas) are not in any way young or valuable or even good. I also know AR and Rautins suck since they haven't played at all, and I know that the Knicks can't make any trades for picks, or offer any expiring contracts like Curry's for cap relief to anyone. Shit, I mean even the Denver Post refutes the idea that Carmelo made that claim. But still, even if NY has nothing, nobody else will offer more.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

MVP watch goes like this for now IMO:
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Manu Ginobili
3. Amare Stoudemire
4. Dwight Howard (lost 4 in a row, momentum)
5. Kobe Bryant / Derrick Rose

I've already said it, Kobe could cure cancer and he is NEVER winning the regular season MVP again.

Ever.

He got his one in '08 and that's all he'll ever get.

 

[The Chosen One]

Yeah Dirk is playing insane this year, so he's the clear favorite right now.

But Amare gets extra points for returning the Knicks back to relevancy. Unlike the Mavs, Jazz, and Spurs, the Knicks culture has been completely broken for nearly a decade. It's not easy to play well in an environment where losing is the expected norm. So Amare gets props for withstanding the early losing streak and then propelling them 7 games over .500.

Strength of schedule is only relevant to decent teams. Awful teams lose regardless of SoS. The Knicks are now at least decent.

 

[DY_nasty]

Denver Post reporting that the ESPN article isn't entirely accurate. He wants out of Denver, but would accept a trade to places other than New York.

It used to bug me that the Bobcats were always in the middle of this, but I'm not against a Melo rental anymore. We get some cap space and dick every other team who wants him into a s&t. Melo jacks up 50 shots a game all to spite LB.

 

[Rodeo Clown]

If I'm the Nuggets, I'd just let Anthony walk. Douglas is on no use because they have Lawson. Even if they want Chandler, he'll be a free agent this summer. Galinari's not that good and a free agent after next season. The raw cap space from letting Melo leave during free agency is better than whatever package the Knicks can throw at them.

 

[captmcblack]

If I'm the Nuggets, I'd just let Anthony walk. Douglas is on no use because they have Lawson. Even if they want Chandler, he'll be a free agent this summer. Galinari's not that good and a free agent after next season. The raw cap space from letting Melo leave during free agency is better than whatever package the Knicks can throw at them.

I'd love this, because then the Knicks could have a fantastic team and keep the few decent players they have - who aren't that decent anyway.

 

[DY_nasty]

If I'm the Nuggets, I'd just let Anthony walk. Douglas is on no use because they have Lawson. Even if they want Chandler, he'll be a free agent this summer. Galinari's not that good and a free agent after next season. The raw cap space from letting Melo leave during free agency is better than whatever package the Knicks can throw at them.

Chandler or Gallinari - not both.

 

[pilonv1]

If I'm the Nuggets, I'd just let Anthony walk. Douglas is on no use because they have Lawson. Even if they want Chandler, he'll be a free agent this summer. Galinari's not that good and a free agent after next season. The raw cap space from letting Melo leave during free agency is better than whatever package the Knicks can throw at them.

That's my point. Isn't Martin expiring this year too? Start over.

 

[charsace]

But they could get role players like Chandler or Galinari (but not both) and picks in like 2016.

Gallo and Chandler would make the wolves better than they are now though. Both guys would be the most efficient scorers on the wolves.

 

[Gabyskra]

Chandler or Gallinari - not both.

It was never Chandler, it was Randolph, and the Knicks would have given both, but Denver asked for a 1st round pick.

Anyway, either something happens shortly after the 15th of december, or right before the deadline... or Melo comes to NY during the summer (it's not like other teams can offer more incentive when you look at his criterias or more money). Which he might do anyway if does not do a S&T and is traded. That's it, we know the story. I'm all for the FA way.

I believe that Wilson Chandler is a RFA IIRC. I'd love:
Felton
Fields
Melo
Chandler
Amare
--
Gallinari 3/4
Douglas 1/2
Turiaf 5/4
Randolph 4/5
Walker 2/3

 

[pilonv1]

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver.htm

Even with Nene taking his player option and picking up Billups' final year would put them well under the cap.

I'd let him walk.

 

[Gabyskra]

Gallo and Chandler would make the wolves better than they are now though. Both guys would be the most efficient scorers on the wolves.

Gallinari, efficient scorer? Is that a joke? He's the most erratic player Knicks have had since John Starks. Which is why we love him, he has those scoring bursts and we remember the clutch moments.

Beasley is much better.

 

[Rodeo Clown]

Gallo and Chandler would make the wolves better than they are now though. Both guys would be the most efficient scorers on the wolves.

Neither of them sees the floor because Mike Beasley is much better than both.

 

[charsace]

Gallinari, efficient scorer? Is that a joke? He's the most erratic player Knicks have had since John Starks. Which is why we love him, he has those scoring bursts and we remember the clutch moments.

Beasley is much better.

His TS is 60% right now and he has one of the best ft per shot in the league. His role is to space the floor so he doesn't get a chance to play to his strengths. And he is still putting up 60% TS,

Put Gallo on a team like the Wolves and allow him to play his point forward role and he would put up numbers.

Neither of them sees the floor because Mike Beasley is much better than both.

Keep telling yourself that. Beasley isn't much better than either of them. Wesley Johnson wouldn't see the floor if either guy was on the wolves.

 

[pilonv1]

Knicks fans inflated worth of certain players is reaching Blazer like proportions.

 

[captmcblack]

Knicks fans inflated worth of certain players is reaching Blazer like proportions.

Nah, there's at least two posts from Knicks fans within the last 10 posts above yours that agree that the Knicks' players just aren't all that great at all.





...but we probably are going to get Carmelo Anthony, though.

 

[DY_nasty]

His TS is 60% right now and he has one of the best ft per shot in the league. His role is to space the floor so he doesn't get a chance to play to his strengths. And he is still putting up 60% TS,

Put Gallo on a team like the Wolves and allow him to play his point forward role and he would put up numbers.


Keep telling yourself that. Beasley isn't much better than either of them. Wesley Johnson wouldn't see the floor if either guy was on the wolves.

Gallo is inconsistent as hell... He's been hot lately, but its not like he shoots lights out every night.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

If I'm the Knicks, I just sit tight unless they were thinking about a deep run into the playoffs this year. Knicks are improving and will most likely get a taste of the playoffs this year without Melo.

Instead, you bide your time and let summer of next year come and then allow yourself the luxury of not having to gut keys parts of your team in order to make a deal Denver will accept.

The only way you make a deal now if your New York is if the uncertainty of the impending CBA/cap changes have you scared shitless.

 

[Rodeo Clown]

Knicks fans inflated worth of certain players is reaching Blazer like proportions.

It's not odd that Wilson Chandler is turning in a career year right before he's about to be a free agent?

 

[DY_nasty]

Nah, there's at least two posts from Knicks fans within the last 10 posts above yours that agree that the Knicks' players just aren't all that great at all.

So you're saying Contract Year Wilson Chandler is better than Beasley?

 

[charsace]

Beasley has never had a TS above 52% while Gallo has had 62%, 57%, 60%. Gallo also shoots more fts a game even though he's the sniper in the knick's offense. If you send Gallo to a bad team and give him a free pass to shoot he would put up the same numbers beasley puts up.

Gallo is inconsistent as hell... He's been hot lately, but its not like he shoots lights out every night.

Even with his inconsistent play he is a more efficient scorer than Beasley. Gallo can get 20 pts on 7 shots on some nights.

 

[pilonv1]

If you send Gallo to a bad team and give him a free pass to shoot he would put up the same numbers beasley puts up.

He's already had two years on a bad team and not put up any significant numbers.

 

[Gabyskra]

His TS is 60% right now and he has one of the best ft per shot in the league. His role is to space the floor so he doesn't get a chance to play to his strengths. And he is still putting up 60% TS,

Put Gallo on a team like the Wolves and allow him to play his point forward role and he would put up numbers.

TS does not take into consideration well the number of possessions lost due to the 3 ball. It's a flawed statistic. TS says 50% in 2pters = 33% in 3pters as far as impact on the game goes. It does not. It's obvious if you play basketball.

Gallo certainly does not need to be asked to create more offense. He's not good at finding the open man, he got better at driving to the basket and getting fouled, using his size, but he's not a "point forward" by any means.

 

[DY_nasty]

Beasley has never had a TS above 52% while Gallo has had 62%, 57%, 60%. Gallo also shoots more fts a game even though he's the sniper in the knick's offense. If you send Gallo to a bad team and give him a free pass to shoot he would put up the same numbers beasley puts up.

Gallinari shoots more fts because he always leaves his limbs out and flops like a girl whenever someone tries to get around him.

He can shoot, yeah, but running off advanced stats 1/4 of the way through the season is thekadish. And he can't do much of anything other than shoot either.

 

[charsace]

He's already had two years on a bad team and not put up any significant numbers.

He doesn't have a free pass to shoot though. He's the 3rd option right now. Make him first option on a bad team and he would put up similar scoring numbers on better TS than Beasley because he drives and doesn't try to avoid contact.

 

[DY_nasty]

Even with his inconsistent play he is a more efficient scorer than Beasley. Gallo can get 20 pts on 7 shots on some nights.

Not only has Gallinari not done that this season, he's never done it in his career.

Is this season just a contest to find the next thekad? goddamn. this is why people say knicks age is just delusional

 

[Gabyskra]

He doesn't have a free pass to shoot though. He's the 3rd option right now.

No, he's fourth behind Chandler who is much more assertive. About equal with Douglas when Douglas is on the floor.

Dude, he's 22, promising, he's doing good in 4th quarters, but there's no need to overrate him.

 

[PBY]

He doesn't have a free pass to shoot though. He's the 3rd option right now. Make him first option on a bad team and he would put up similar scoring numbers on better TS than Beasley because he drives and doesn't try to avoid contact.

:lol

 

[captmcblack]

So you're saying Contract Year Wilson Chandler is better than Beasley?

No, I'm pretty clearly saying that Knicks fans don't have inflated worth for their own players. Despite what a few people may say, we don't think we have a team of Michael Jordans.

I won't bother trying to debate the battle of #2 overall draft pick Michael Beasley versus 23rd pick Wilson Chandler, since I haven't watched many games in which he's played (whereas I've watched every game Chandler's played in). Beasley must be better - he was a franchise-type draft pick, so if he isn't better it'd be weird.

Most important thing to be discussed is the idea that Carmelo Anthony very likely stated explicitly that he will only accept a trade to New York. While I accept the plausibility that it is somehow untrue since the home newspaper of the team he is currently the only star player of is refuting the statement as untrue, I'd (obviously) rather believe that he's probably stated that pretty explicitly. That's sort of a big deal.

 

[charsace]

Gallinari shoots more fts because he always leaves his limbs out and flops like a girl whenever someone tries to get around him.

He can shoot, yeah, but running off advanced stats 1/4 of the way through the season is thekadish. And he can't do much of anything other than shoot either.

For both guy's careers Gallo has been the more efficient scorer. Why is gallo's style of drawing fouls a negative? Every player that gets to the line does the same shit.

TS does not take into consideration well the number of possessions lost due to the 3 ball. It's a flawed statistic. TS says 50% in 2pters = 33% in 3pters as far as impact on the game goes. It does not. It's obvious if you play basketball.

Gallo certainly does not need to be asked to create more offense. He's not good at finding the open man, he got better at driving to the basket and getting fouled, using his size, but he's not a "point forward" by any means.

You do have to shoot around 50% from 2 to offset a team hitting 33% of their 3's. There's a reason why teams don't want most of their wings shooting from midrange. Midrange is good to have in a player's arsenal because it helps a player get to the basket for a layup or dunk.

 

[Gabyskra]

Most important thing to be discussed is the idea that Carmelo Anthony very likely stated explicitly that he will only accept a trade to New York. While I accept the plausibility that it is somehow untrue since the home newspaper of the team he is currently the only star player of is refuting the statement as untrue, I'd (obviously) rather believe that he's probably stated that pretty explicitly. That's sort of a big deal.

It would be a big deal if his wedding party theme this summer wasn't "New York State of Mind".

Nothing new.

And I disagree with you, there are plenty of Knicks fans who overrate the players.

 

[DY_nasty]

No, I'm pretty clearly saying that Knicks fans don't have inflated worth for their own players. Despite what a few people may say, we don't think we have a team of Michael Jordans.

I won't bother trying to debate the battle of #2 overall draft pick Michael Beasley versus 23rd pick Wilson Chandler, since I haven't watched many games in which he's played (whereas I've watched every game Chandler's played in). Beasley must be better - he was a franchise-type draft pick, so if he isn't better it'd be weird.

Most important thing to be discussed is the idea that Carmelo Anthony very likely stated explicitly that he will only accept a trade to New York. While I accept the plausibility that it is somehow untrue since the home newspaper of the team he is currently the only star player of is refuting the statement as untrue, I'd (obviously) rather believe that he's probably stated that pretty explicitly. That's sort of a big deal.

Talk to your boy chars

And I'll admit that I thought NJ was going to get Carmelo because they offered a much better package. There's still a chance that he'll get rented to another team and that team will do its best to break the knicks off for whatever they can for a s&t.

For both guy's careers Gallo has been the more efficient scorer. Why is gallo's style of drawing fouls a negative? Every player that gets to the line does the same shit.

First off, go back to what you said earlier - Gallinari has never put up 20 off 7 fgas.

 

[Gabyskra]

You do have to shoot around 50% from 2 to offset a team hitting 33% of their 3's.

It's not that simple. Basketball is not an equation, it is about timely baskets, momentum, psychology, and so many other things. TS is so distorted it would make you believe you'd rather have Shaq taking free throws at the end of games than a Glenn Robinson midrange shot. It's not how it really works.

 

[charsace]

Not only has Gallinari not done that this season, he's never done it in his career.

Is this season just a contest to find the next thekad? goddamn. this is why people say knicks age is just delusional

He did score 27 points on only 8 shots, 16 pts on only 5 shots, 15 points on 7 shots, 31 points on 11 shots and 24 points on 11 shots. I think 27 scored with only 8 shots is efficient. Maybe I'm wrong?

It's not that simple. Basketball is not an equation, it is about timely baskets, momentum, psychology, and so many other things. TS is so distorted it would make you believe you'd rather have Shaq taking free throws at the end of games than a Glenn Robinson midrange shot. It's not how it really works.

I know this. Doesn't mean it doesn't have weight. Gallo has had games where he doesn't shoot a lot and still puts up 15+ on the board.

 

[Gabyskra]

I know this. Doesn't mean it doesn't have weight. Gallo has had games where he doesn't shoot a lot and still puts up 15+ on the board.

And Gallo has many games where he's 1-7 from the field with a couple rebounds in 33 minutes.
He IS the most erratic player today in the game. I read an interesting blog post recently which measured he was the one player in the league whose stats in a game can be the farthest away from his avgs.

 

[DY_nasty]

He did score 27 points on only 8 shots

Dude got 17 ftas off a joke of an officiating night in Sac - why don't I just go off saying that Gerald Wallace is a better scorer than KD? It'd be the same retarded argument

 

[charsace]

Dude got 17 ftas off a joke of an officiating night in Sac - why don't I just go off saying that Gerald Wallace is a better scorer than KD? It'd be the same retarded argument

Is that not better than 20 points on 7 shots? Yes or No?

I am making this arguement because Beasley hasn't proven anything. Gallo and Beasley is a much closer comparison than Durant and Wallace.

Just answer my questions.

 

[captmcblack]

And I disagree with you, there are plenty of Knicks fans who overrate the players.

But there aren't plenty of those fans in this thread.

And if Carmelo Anthony really explicitly stated that he's only going to the Knicks, then even highjacking him and hoping to break the Knicks off for a sign and trade in the FA period won't really work. Basically, you'll get something for Carmelo en route to NY, or you'll get nothing for him en route to NY. But he is going to NY.

 

[DY_nasty]

His that not better than 20 points on 7 shots? Yes or No?

I am making this arguement because Beasley hasn't proven anything. Gallo and Beasley is a much closer comparison than Durant and Wallace.

Just answer my questions.

Oh word?

Beasley has never had a TS above 52% while Gallo has had 62%, 57%, 60%. Gallo also shoots more fts a game even though he's the sniper in the knick's offense. If you send Gallo to a bad team and give him a free pass to shoot he would put up the same numbers beasley puts up.


Even with his inconsistent play he is a more efficient scorer than Beasley. Gallo can get 20 pts on 7 shots on some nights.

Some nights? How about once you clown.

Oh, and 7!=8.

 

[Celsior]

Knicks trading piecesnot trading felton, Stat, Turf)

Gallo-Not really worth that much, Average player, more of a role player

Chandler-has been a good off the bench player over the years, seems to be doing good as a starter, value going up.

Fields-can be a very good 3rd guard, starting because knicks are weak at guard, worth way more then a 2nd round pick the Knicks used.

Randolph-some team might find some value in him, at his worst value.

Douglas-not worth much, some team might find value.

Curry-he has a big contract :lol

the rest-fillers and scrubs(not worth shit)

The knicks do not have the pieces to make a fair trade with Nuggets but Anthony seems to have his mind made up on leaving.