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Wade's post up game is better than Lebron's.

Eric Snow's post up game is better than Wade's.
 
charsace said:
He doesn't know what he's talking about.
And Lebron's "post game" is pathetic. He runs into guys with his shoulder and if he can knock them off balance just a little bit he spins into a back down and then tries to spin to his dribble hand. If Jordan was allowed to do this he could have played pg and would have been god.
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Why are you bringing Jordan into this? Jordan could have done it if he'd like and he wouldn't have been called for it either.

DY_nasty said:
Dude makes peterb0y look like Hubie Brown...
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Your post are stay worse than Joel Anthony's hands.

Blackace said:
Uhh you can't drop your and create contact..
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You can create contact. You just can't run them over. Players like Amare lower their shoulder all the time and "create" contact. The point is to not bull rush the defender.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Honestly you are underestimating his post game.



I'm not saying he has one of the best post games in the NBA. My point was he has a great post game given his shooting ability. He can take you inside with some post moves and then hit two 20 foot jumpers a couple minutes later.

If Lebron got half the post game that Dirk has he'd be alot better player.
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Honestly I am not.

I have been playing, coaching, watching basketball for about 3 decades. Not claiming to be an uber expert or something...but yeah his post is trash.. And you say I underestimating his post game and then you say if he had half the post of poster boy for non post player PFs he would awesome.. Lawl...
 
mckmas8808 said:
Because Lebron was a way better passer, defender, and 3 point shooter than Wilkins that's why.
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More assists? Who gives a shit when LeBron took his talents to South Beach?

Any hypothetical argument in which LeBron is The Man on a team is stupid because he ran away from that position.
 
mckmas8808 said:
You can create contact. You just can't run them over. Players like Amare lower their shoulder all the time and "create" contact. The point is to not bull rush the defender.
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Actually you can't, but refs allow it. And the point is LBJ bullrushes more often than not
 
Gigglepoo said:
More assists? Who gives a shit when LeBron took his talents to South Beach?
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The thing that is funny is he isn't better at any of those things listed besides passing...

<3 Wilkins
 
Amare lowers his shoulder? The dude is physical (to a degree), yeah, but he's not actively trying to run people over every other possession.

I don't see why people can't just like a player without making up bullshit for them... McGrady's always been my favorite player in the league - I'm not making up reasons for the fact that he sucks now. AI, amazing player, but a drunk. Baron Davis, excellent player in Charlotte, complete asswhipe.

Grow the fuck up, Lebron's post game isn't even worth mentioning. Dude looks on youtube to see a Kobe spin move, tries to bust it out in a game, and looks like some clown in a rec league.
 
Blackace said:
The thing that is funny is he isn't better at any of those things listed besides passing...

<3 Wilkins
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Scoring, 3 point shooting, and defense says your wrong. And I love Nik too, but lets not take it too far.

And I just amazed at the fact that you just shit on Dirk's post game like that.
 
Lebron is the poster boy for how Stern has pampered and babied his stars into being lazy, spoiled kids. Lebron gets so many favorable calls that he's never forced to actually work on his game in any meaningful way. If he had the work ethic of Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, Kidd, or Nash he'd have won several championships in Cleveland.
 
DY_nasty said:
Amare lowers his shoulder? The dude is physical (to a degree), yeah, but he's not actively trying to run people over every other possession.

I don't see why people can't just like a player without making up bullshit for them... McGrady's always been my favorite player in the league - I'm not making up reasons for the fact that he sucks now. AI, amazing player, but a drunk. Baron Davis, excellent player in Charlotte, complete asswhipe.

Grow the fuck up, Lebron's post game isn't even worth mentioning. Dude looks on youtube to see a Kobe spin move, tries to bust it out in a game, and looks like some clown in a rec league.
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You don't think your making shit up about Lebron? And I'm one of the people that said Lebron's post game was shit and needed a lot of work. I said a post game and a running jumper would help his O game alot.
 
Dirk's post-game is hardly worth mentioning... He's had a great career, but it doesn't have much to do with his inside presence.

Lebron's not even a better scorer than Carmelo, how is he supposed to be a better scorer than the other guy's mentioned? Hell, he's not even the best scorer on his own team right now.
Blackace said:
Honestly I am not.

I have been playing, coaching, watching basketball for about 3 decades. Not claiming to be an uber expert or something...but yeah his post is trash.. And you say I underestimating his post game and then you say if he had half the post of poster boy for non post player PFs he would awesome.. Lawl...
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Oh yeah? I got a D1A ring that I had to give back, fuck the NCAA, but I got GAF witnesses, holla
 
mckmas8808 said:
Why are you bringing Jordan into this? Jordan could have done it if he'd like and he wouldn't have been called for it either.



Your post are stay worse than Joel Anthony's hands.



You can create contact. You just can't run them over. Players like Amare lower their shoulder all the time and "create" contact. The point is to not bull rush the defender.
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Lol what. Amare doesn't lower his shoulder. He looks to blow by people and if he can't he tries to dunk it. He doesn't run into people and drop his shoulders into them. Most of Amare's drive are off his first step or he he does like 3 dribbles at the most and tries to drive past a guy if he can pin them on his hip. If he can't get what he's looking for to get to the basket he shoots or passes the ball. Lebron walks the ball up the court, dribbles for a little bit and then does what he can to get within 10 feet of the basket so that he can drop his shoulder.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Scoring, 3 point shooting, and defense says your wrong. And I love Nik too, but lets not take it too far.

And I just amazed at the fact that you just shit on Dirk's post game like that.
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Scoring 3 shooting and d stats are all very very close.. Reilo's post earlier showed you their +30 years. Right now 1% is the difference in 3 point shooting.. Yeah I am sooooooo wrong.

I shat on Dirk's post game? He isn't a post player.. He is having an amazing year at abusing PF off the dribble and his stop and pop game is deadly.. Ask Brandy.. He is our Dallas "fan" here..
 
mckmas8808 said:
And I'm one of the people that said Lebron's post game was shit and needed a lot of work. I said a post game and a running jumper would help his O game alot.
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You're the one who brought up his post game saying that he's a better scorer than x hof player - now you're saying that it needs work? The fuck?
 
charsace said:
Lol what. Amare doesn't lower his shoulder. He looks to blow by people and if he can't he tries to dunk it. He doesn't run into people and drop his shoulders into them. Most of Amare's drive are off his first step or he he does like 3 dribbles at the most and tries to drive past a guy if he can pin them on his hip. If he can't get what he's looking for to get to the basket he shoots or passes the ball. Lebron walks the ball up the court, dribbles for a little bit and then does what he can to get within 10 feet of the basket so that he can drop his shoulder.
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If he would have said boozer then he would have had a valid point
 
Dirk really only developed his post game in the last couple of years... he mainly uses it to get a few feet closer to the basket for a turnaround jumper or a pass out to a perimeter shooter. He usually uses it when they put a smaller defender on him.
 
Lebron has no back to the basket game. Anyone that thinks he does doesn't know basketball. Matter of fact he looks more awkard pulling up off the jumper than Amare.

Blackace said:
If he would have said boozer then he would have had a valid point
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Boozer would have made sense.
 
The only thing worse than watching Lebron attempt to post up is watching Lebron attempt to defend the post...
 
DY_nasty said:
The only thing worse than watching Lebron attempt to post up is watching Lebron attempt to defend the post...
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Its a good thing that he can push guys that do try to post him up and get away with it.
 
dIEHARD said:
Boozer's game consists of moves out of the high-post and off the pick and roll. That comparison isn't really good either.
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In the low block he spins leading with his left shoulder.. It's the only low post move he has
 
Branduil said:
There is no way there are 12 players in the league who commit more offensive fouls than Lebron.
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LMA got called more than LBJ for offensive fouls which is funny as hell
 
Branduil said:
Lebron is the poster boy for how Stern has pampered and babied his stars into being lazy, spoiled kids. Lebron gets so many favorable calls that he's never forced to actually work on his game in any meaningful way. If he had the work ethic of Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, Kidd, or Nash he'd have won several championships in Cleveland.
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Bullshit. Those bum ass players on the Cavs weren't good enough to win a chip.

DY_nasty said:
Dirk's post-game is hardly worth mentioning... He's had a great career, but it doesn't have much to do with his inside presence.
Lebron's not even a better scorer than Carmelo, how is he supposed to be a better scorer than the other guy's mentioned? Hell, he's not even the best scorer on his own team right now.
Oh yeah? I got a D1A ring that I had to give back, fuck the NCAA, but I got GAF witnesses, holla
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Carmelo is a great scorer so that's not saying much. And so is Wade. You bring those 2 guys up like it's bad or something.

Blackace said:
Scoring 3 shooting and d stats are all very very close.. Reilo's post earlier showed you their +30 years. Right now 1% is the difference in 3 point shooting.. Yeah I am sooooooo wrong.
I shat on Dirk's post game? He isn't a post player.. He is having an amazing year at abusing PF off the dribble and his stop and pop game is deadly.. Ask Brandy.. He is our Dallas "fan" here..
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The point was Lebron shot way more 3s too. 1% isn't much. But when the other guy hits twice as many threes as the first guy it's much better. 118 made 3s a year is better than Wilkins' 55 a season.

DY_nasty said:
You're the one who brought up his post game saying that he's a better scorer than x hof player - now you're saying that it needs work? The fuck?
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I didn't bring up his post game someone else did. And I agreed that it was shit too. I never said Lebron's post game was good. And yeah I said Lebron is a better scorer than Wilkins. So what?! Lebron can ball his ass off. You act like Bron isn't a future HOF or something.

Gigglepoo said:
Wait a second, soft? Reggie Miller? What the hell? Do you watch basketball?
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Hell yeah Reggie was soft. Flopping into defenders and shit. Hey I like his game, but wasn't driving into the lane on anybody.
 
This is starting to bore me.

I can't believe that DeShawn Stevenson is the most accurate 3-point shooter in the league right now. Or that Caron Butler is 8th.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Hell yeah Reggie was soft. Flopping into defenders and shit. Hey I like his game, but wasn't driving into the lane on anybody.
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Reggie was soft because he was a jump shooter? What a weird thing to say.

mckmas8808 said:
The point was Lebron shot way more 3s too. 1% isn't much. But when the other guy hits twice as many threes as the first guy it's much better. 118 made 3s a year is better than Wilkins' 55 a season.
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Alright, you really don't know anything about basketball. I'm done with this.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Bullshit. Those bum ass players on the Cavs weren't good enough to win a chip.



Carmelo is a great scorer so that's not saying much. And so is Wade. You bring those 2 guys up like it's bad or something.



The point was Lebron shot way more 3s too. 1% isn't much. But when the other guy hits twice as many threes as the first guy it's much better. 118 made 3s a year is better than Wilkins' 55 a season.



I didn't bring up his post game someone else did. And I agreed that it was shit too. I never said Lebron's post game was good. And yeah I said Lebron is a better scorer than Wilkins. So what?! Lebron can ball his ass off. You act like Bron isn't a future HOF or something.



Hell yeah Reggie was soft. Flopping into defenders and shit. Hey I like his game, but wasn't driving into the lane on anybody.
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If Lebron was skilled the cavs would have won a title. Lebron reminds me of Vince in his prime. People are scared of him driving so they give him space to put up his jumper. Difference is that Carter could pull up off the jumper better than Lebron can.
 
charsace said:
Its a good thing that he can push guys that do try to post him up and get away with it.
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Now your are just trying to be funny. :lol

Branduil said:
There is no way there are 12 players in the league who commit more offensive fouls than Lebron.
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Sorry there were. Back then Howard's game was bad (as far as technic goes).

dIEHARD said:
Boozer's game consists of moves out of the high-post and off the pick and roll. That comparison isn't really good either.
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Ummm....Boozer is actually a better comparision than the one I used. He literally takes his name too seriously and bull dozes people out of the way.
 
mckmas8808 said:
The point was Lebron shot way more 3s too. 1% isn't much. But when the other guy hits twice as many threes as the first guy it's much better. 118 made 3s a year is better than Wilkins' 55 a season.
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mckmas8808 said:
1.) Lebron has averaged 118 made 3 pointers a season, while Wilkins best year he made 120. His 2nd best year Wilkins made 112. Everything after that is under 100 made 3s. And that's in his 15 year career. Lebron already has 100 more 3 pointers in his career in half the games. It's just that clear Reilo
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In 1982 (the year Wilkins entered the league), teams averaged 2.8 three point attempts per game. By 1993, when Wilkins was 34, teams still averaged under 10 three point attempts per game.

Last year, Lebron averaged over 5 three point attempts per game by himself.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/stats.html
 
Gigglepoo said:
Reggie was soft because he was a jump shooter? What a weird thing to say.
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It's the BSPN stupidity infecting Triple Ls across the country. If you're an iron man who almost never misses games and hits big shots in the playoffs, you're soft. If you play recklessly and jump into guys for free throws, and miss a bunch of games every year and need a wheelchair for arm injuries, you're tough.
 
I didn't bring up his post game someone else did. And I agreed that it was shit too. I never said Lebron's post game was good. And yeah I said Lebron is a better scorer than Wilkins. So what?! Lebron can ball his ass off. You act like Bron isn't a future HOF or something.
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Sorry about that. Too much dumbassery and lttp homerism posts have thrown me off a bit.

And normally, Lebron is as much of a HoF candidate as McGrady - but knowing Stern, he'll be inducted in April right before he gets sent home again.
 
mckmas8808 said:
The point was Lebron shot way more 3s too. 1% isn't much. But when the other guy hits twice as many threes as the first guy it's much better. 118 made 3s a year is better than Wilkins' 55 a season.
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That's because the 3 point shot isn't a great shot. And Wilkins had his 30+ seasons on less 3s and less fts.

Hell yeah Reggie was soft. Flopping into defenders and shit. Hey I like his game, but wasn't driving into the lane on anybody.
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wow... There is so much broken in this statement it would be hard to fix it
 
Branduil said:
It's the BSPN stupidity infecting Triple Ls across the country. If you're an iron man who almost never misses games and hits big shots in the playoffs, you're soft. If you play recklessly and jump into guys for free throws, and miss a bunch of games every year and need a wheelchair for arm injuries, you're tough.
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I would love to see Wade play in the 80s. He would be murdered by the Pistons and Celtics.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Ummm....Boozer is actually a better comparision than the one I used. He literally takes his name too seriously and bull dozes people out of the way.
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Boozer bull dozes people out of the way? Damn he must have really changed his game since going to Chicago.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Reggie was soft because he was a jump shooter? What a weird thing to say.



Alright, you really don't know anything about basketball. I'm done with this.
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NBA-Age is weird sometime. It's funny when some people like yourself think Reggie Miller was on some thuggery shit, somebody thinks Lebron is better than Magic Johnson, while at the same time others try to make Bron look like some sorry ass player that runs over people every play and would suck if it wasn't for those pesky refs.

I've played and watched basketball for 20 years. And I'll say we all know basketball in this thread. And if we were all in a bar or BW3s together we'd agree to disagree on many things and still respect each others arguments.

But because it's NBA-GAF and we are all anonymous people say stuff like "you know nothing about basketball derp derp derp."
 
Reggie hate.

Word.

No one said Reggie on some thuggery shit, but soft? lol... Lebron got punked by Orlando. Cmon son.
 
Branduil said:
This is starting to bore me.

I can't believe that DeShawn Stevenson is the most accurate 3-point shooter in the league right now. Or that Caron Butler is 8th.
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Ok best pure scorer in the game right now? Who? Go!
 
mckmas8808 said:
NBA-Age is weird sometime. It's funny when some people like yourself think Reggie Miller was on some thuggery shit, somebody thinks Lebron is better than Magic Johnson, while at the same time others try to make Bron look like some sorry ass player that runs over people every play and would suck if it wasn't for those pesky refs.

I've played and watched basketball for 20 years. And I'll say we all know basketball in this thread. And if we were all in a bar or BW3s together we'd agree to disagree on many things and still respect each others arguments.

But because it's NBA-GAF and we are all anonymous people say stuff like "you know nothing about basketball derp derp derp."
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Oh shit.
 
dIEHARD said:
Boozer bull dozes people out of the way? Damn he must have really changed his game since going to Chicago.
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No he bulldozed in Utah as well.
 
mckmas8808 said:
But because it's NBA-GAF and we are all anonymous people say stuff like "you know nothing about basketball derp derp derp."
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You think LeBron taking more 3s than 'Nique is a good thing, even though they both shot in the low 30s. I have no idea how to even approach that argument. It's so diametrically opposed to everything I know about basketball that I don't think we're even discussing the same thing anymore.

Every time LeBron starts shooting 3s, his opponents smile because it means he's wasting possessions (missing 67% of the time, and offensive rebounds are harder to get on long shots), not driving to the hole, not picking up fouls, not tiring the defense, and not involving his teammates.
 
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