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2011 Fall Anime Thread - Bad Shows & Self Hating Nerds
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Romanes Eunt Domus
I feel depressed and down precisely because I love too much.shintoki said:
Fuck love.
really don't wanna make this a girl-age thread though
Jex
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[Sacred Seven Finale]
Full disclosure: I have not watched this series in its entirety. Yes, I know its only twelve episodes long, but even then, I couldnt be bothered with a fair number of them. I didnt sit down and watch this finale because I love the show, but because I heard it was a decent conclusion. After Tiger and Bunnys thoroughly disappointing ending I was really looking forward to a Sunrise show with a solid ending. Were my hopes misplaces?
Wherever the Tiger and Bunny failed, Sacred Seven appears to have succeeded. Time for a comparison!
Action and Animation
First and foremost, its animated and directed a lot better than its rival. While T&B does splash a little bit of cash around for its action sequences, the choreography is pretty lacklustre. In SS there are a number of fight sequences which are all well animated and more importantly its not just the fight sequences that look nice the episode as a whole looks very solid, where T&B is disappointingly inconsistent.
This has been the case for most of the season. T&B has had a small handful of good looking action sequences, across its two cour run. where as SS does two or more every episode. I suppose Sunrise calculated that as T&B was fujoshi-bait, they didnt need to actually pay any attention to the quality of the action.
This particular episode might not aim for the most elaborate fight sequences but they do really focus on large scale action, which is usually a way to make an action sequence seem more awesome without actually making it more complicated. But it sure looks great:
Pacing
I must say, the T&B finale managed to drag, some how. Admittedly, I might simply have been bored because I couldnt work out what the point of any of these story movements where, but still, its only 20 minutes. It shouldnt feel like a drag.
SS, on the other hand, was really solid. It moved from scene to scene, event to event, fight to fight, without dragging any one particular sequence on. They did a good job of mixing up the type of event that was being shown as well. So it wasnt just one 15 minute repetitive fight sequence. Good show.
Story and Tone
[Tiger and Bunny]
T&B wasnt going for the realist drama with its characters but at least the world they acted in was relatively well defined and known. It was a fairly standard superhero setting, with a mysterious (not at all) antagonist and a group of rouge super-powered people. Like I said, standard.
However, by the time the famous third act rolls around everything has become very silly and the arrival of truly moustache twirling (by which I mean stupid and over the top) bad-guy feels really out of the place for the kind of super-hero drama they were going for. Especially when he keep making speeches about how evil he is, where as other villains were largely criminals or people with some kind of cause or message. This bad guy is none of those things, hes totally flat and boring as a character, with no real motivation or reason for any of his actions. While T&B has had a fairly cheesy presentation its always gone for characterisation in everything, so this sudden shift in the last arc was noticeable.
This one dimensional bad guy is pretty out of place, and he was introduced just as a fairly large number of ongoing plots where swept under the rug and forgotten about, so that they could be dug up next season. The whole finale was focused on an event that was introduced simply for the point of having a climactic finale, it was completely artificial and it didnt tie up or resolve any of the plot or character threads. In fact, certain characters actually lost character development and regressed. Thats really disappointing.
[Sacred Seven]
This show ends in the same manner that it begun. It feels like a natural extension of the earlier episodes in a number of ways, apart from just being visually consistent. Yes, the bad guys are totally over-the-top and silly but thats the way the story has been presented: not very well, but its been consistent throughout the run (from what I can tell). Over the course of the episode all the characters actually achieve something and have a real conclusion? Its very predictable but it actually makes sense for the characters and goes in-line with what weve seen before. Like I said, its a silly over the top show with a weak story, but at least they have a finale that makes sense. It concludes things in a manner thats unusual for a Sunrise property.
This isnt really a recommendation on my part, just a straight observation. Theres no need to go out and watch either of these two episodes, but one is clearly a lot better than the other in pretty much every respect.
Full disclosure: I have not watched this series in its entirety. Yes, I know its only twelve episodes long, but even then, I couldnt be bothered with a fair number of them. I didnt sit down and watch this finale because I love the show, but because I heard it was a decent conclusion. After Tiger and Bunnys thoroughly disappointing ending I was really looking forward to a Sunrise show with a solid ending. Were my hopes misplaces?
Wherever the Tiger and Bunny failed, Sacred Seven appears to have succeeded. Time for a comparison!
Action and Animation
First and foremost, its animated and directed a lot better than its rival. While T&B does splash a little bit of cash around for its action sequences, the choreography is pretty lacklustre. In SS there are a number of fight sequences which are all well animated and more importantly its not just the fight sequences that look nice the episode as a whole looks very solid, where T&B is disappointingly inconsistent.
This has been the case for most of the season. T&B has had a small handful of good looking action sequences, across its two cour run. where as SS does two or more every episode. I suppose Sunrise calculated that as T&B was fujoshi-bait, they didnt need to actually pay any attention to the quality of the action.
This particular episode might not aim for the most elaborate fight sequences but they do really focus on large scale action, which is usually a way to make an action sequence seem more awesome without actually making it more complicated. But it sure looks great:
Pacing
I must say, the T&B finale managed to drag, some how. Admittedly, I might simply have been bored because I couldnt work out what the point of any of these story movements where, but still, its only 20 minutes. It shouldnt feel like a drag.
SS, on the other hand, was really solid. It moved from scene to scene, event to event, fight to fight, without dragging any one particular sequence on. They did a good job of mixing up the type of event that was being shown as well. So it wasnt just one 15 minute repetitive fight sequence. Good show.
Story and Tone
[Tiger and Bunny]
T&B wasnt going for the realist drama with its characters but at least the world they acted in was relatively well defined and known. It was a fairly standard superhero setting, with a mysterious (not at all) antagonist and a group of rouge super-powered people. Like I said, standard.
However, by the time the famous third act rolls around everything has become very silly and the arrival of truly moustache twirling (by which I mean stupid and over the top) bad-guy feels really out of the place for the kind of super-hero drama they were going for. Especially when he keep making speeches about how evil he is, where as other villains were largely criminals or people with some kind of cause or message. This bad guy is none of those things, hes totally flat and boring as a character, with no real motivation or reason for any of his actions. While T&B has had a fairly cheesy presentation its always gone for characterisation in everything, so this sudden shift in the last arc was noticeable.
This one dimensional bad guy is pretty out of place, and he was introduced just as a fairly large number of ongoing plots where swept under the rug and forgotten about, so that they could be dug up next season. The whole finale was focused on an event that was introduced simply for the point of having a climactic finale, it was completely artificial and it didnt tie up or resolve any of the plot or character threads. In fact, certain characters actually lost character development and regressed. Thats really disappointing.
[Sacred Seven]
This show ends in the same manner that it begun. It feels like a natural extension of the earlier episodes in a number of ways, apart from just being visually consistent. Yes, the bad guys are totally over-the-top and silly but thats the way the story has been presented: not very well, but its been consistent throughout the run (from what I can tell). Over the course of the episode all the characters actually achieve something and have a real conclusion? Its very predictable but it actually makes sense for the characters and goes in-line with what weve seen before. Like I said, its a silly over the top show with a weak story, but at least they have a finale that makes sense. It concludes things in a manner thats unusual for a Sunrise property.
This isnt really a recommendation on my part, just a straight observation. Theres no need to go out and watch either of these two episodes, but one is clearly a lot better than the other in pretty much every respect.
Jex
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That sounds rather serious for a Hayo Miyzaki project. I guess he's a fairly serious man when you read his interviews, so I suppose it's possible./XX/ said:This is unconfirmed speculation, of course, but could be The Wind Rises (風立ちぬMr. Miyazaki's next movie as a director? Well, some evidences suggest that it is.
And now that also on this month's CUT magazine there is an article with Mr. Miyazaki giving more information about the project, including the mention of the protagonist as a "Japanese man who developed weapons of war" (that would be Jiro Horikoshi, of course) and other revealing information, all apparently suggests that buddies like Xavier from Buta Connection (http://www.buta-connection.net/accueil) or Álvaro from Generación GHIBLI (http://generacionghibli.blogspot.com/2011/09/kaze-tachinu-podria-ser-la-nueva.html) are spot-on with this assumption...
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Anime is dead.
Not even new Natsume / Hidamari can save us now.
Not even new Natsume / Hidamari can save us now.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Dresden said:Two worst things from two series combined into one:
Final season is called ZnT F.
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I can trust in Kugiloli to cheer me up.
Crash Station
Member
Kamisama Dolls Final
Was thinking this was a good stopping point... then the post-credits scene happened. What the fuck?
Anyone know what chapter in the manga the anime ends at?
Was thinking this was a good stopping point... then the post-credits scene happened. What the fuck?
Anyone know what chapter in the manga the anime ends at?
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
cosmicblizzard said:
No don't do it, you're falling into their trap!
The anime finishes the first 7 of the 9 volumes of the manga thus far. Not sure what's going on in the 2 volumes that haven't been covered, obviously something must happen.
It's a really interesting finale in a lot of ways. I really enjoyed it.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Instro said:
I'm already in for a Season 2.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
zeroshiki said:
Thank god. I don't mind most Kugilolis and like a couple to boot. But Index is where I draw my line in the sand for insufferable lolis.
Unknown Soldier
Member
icarus-daedelus said:
Branduil is no one's comrade. For one thing, he made you watch Arjuna.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Unknown Soldier said:
I don't know. I feel like that's the only time he's ever steered me right.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
And that's why I never watched the Railgun/Index franchise.zeroshiki said:
Jexhius said:
Haruhi has redeeming qualities. I mean, she's funny at times and the absurd situations the characters get themselves into always revolve around here via something she did or PMS. There's also basically no reason to watch the show if you don't like her. Can't say the same for Index where you're basically begging the writers to not show her anymore.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Dem googles says it's a technical term used by the Japanese industry. It's their version of season/series/whatever it is English people use.icarus-daedelus said:
http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showpost.php?p=1605604&postcount=6
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Regulus Tera said:
Kugi is in the 2nd season of Index! Voices a loli with braided hair to boot.
Index is the worst female ever. I can't ever recall a show where the titular character gets pushed to the side that hard because everybody, the fans and the creators, realize she's a terrible character and literally every other female in the series is better than her.
Infinite Justice
Member
zeroshiki said:
Arguably there is someone worse but he's in a manga so due to that Makoto wins.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Jexhius said:
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Damn, now that I'm going to drop Shana, I'm not sure where to go in order get my next Rie fix. Maybe I'll try watching Zero no Tsukaima or something. Only 13 episodes for ZnT season 1 so it will likely be more like Badass Aria and less like Boring Shana. I hope.
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