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2011 NBA Mar |OT| Now listening to the Stan Van Gundy mixtape
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Black Mamba
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D-will
Fields
Gallo
Amar'e
Turiaf
is better than
Billups
Fields
Melo
Amar'e
Turiaf
And I think they could have traded Felton + Chandler + wtvr to get it done perhaps. Maybe even Curry +Randolph for AK47.
Carmelo is NOT and elite basketball player. Good one, all-star quality sure, but NOT elite.
Cloudy's arguments the past 2 pages make my brain hurt. lol @ kobe in the MVP conversation.
Fields
Gallo
Amar'e
Turiaf
is better than
Billups
Fields
Melo
Amar'e
Turiaf
And I think they could have traded Felton + Chandler + wtvr to get it done perhaps. Maybe even Curry +Randolph for AK47.
Carmelo is NOT and elite basketball player. Good one, all-star quality sure, but NOT elite.
Cloudy's arguments the past 2 pages make my brain hurt. lol @ kobe in the MVP conversation.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
I don't even think they would've traded that much for just DWill. Felton + Randolph + Curry contract would've been enough. And it wouldn't have surprised me if we were able to get away with trading scrubs + money for DWill. I also think the Knicks were stupid as fuck for waiving Corey Brewer. In any case this would've been an awesome starting line:
Amar'e (C)
Fields (SG)
Gallo (SF)
DWill (PG)
Chandler (PF)
If you want a harder D-game off the bat, I'd use Jeffries in place of Gallo to make early contact plays for effective turnovers, and good screens. It'd help get points up early on the board, which is key for the D'Antoni system.
Amar'e (C)
Fields (SG)
Gallo (SF)
DWill (PG)
Chandler (PF)
If you want a harder D-game off the bat, I'd use Jeffries in place of Gallo to make early contact plays for effective turnovers, and good screens. It'd help get points up early on the board, which is key for the D'Antoni system.
Black Mamba said:
Was watching this last night, had to laugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MWFDDPaGVg&t=1m27s
reilo said:Do the Knicks get to .500+ (ie, 42+ wins) before the end of the season? They'd have to finish 7-2.
These are their upcoming opponents:
ORL, NJN, CLE, TOR, PHI, NJN, IND, CHI, BOS
I say no. Also,
So now its D'antonis fault for restricting Carmelo to ONLY 40 minutes?
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=6262617
Idiots like Sheridan need to shut the fuck up. He was one of the biggest proponents of bringing a big 'name' like Carmelo to the Knicks even though anyone with 1/2 a brain realizes he is a terrible fit with Amare. So now he's making all kinds of excuses and throwing the coach under the bus? Where were these comments BEFORE the trade??? Oh yeh, they actually had depth before they pissed it all away for that fraud.
AlphaSnake said:
They would have been better off trading NOBODY and using all their cap space for Tyson Chandler. And if that didn't work out maybe rolling the dice with a guy like Robin Lopez.
It justs bugs the HELL out of me that the Knicks would go to all the trouble to find a good combination in Felton/Amare...and then just blow the whole thing up for some 'big star'.
masud said:
Let's talk about the reality of the Knicks having an efficient PG in Ray Felton... He's the one the team might miss the most. It's all about attitude. They've always needed players who care more than others even if they weren't the very best (à la Ewing). The nonchalance of Melo in such times is maddening.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Knicks lost again? For real? Damn...
Well, at least the Eastern conference will be continuing it's storied tradition of having a bunch of below .500 ball clubs taking up playoff spots they don't deserve and serving no purpose other than being first round fodder.
I thought for sure with the majority of the upper echelon stars being in the East now that it would change some things. Maybe I just wanted to believe.
Well, at least the Eastern conference will be continuing it's storied tradition of having a bunch of below .500 ball clubs taking up playoff spots they don't deserve and serving no purpose other than being first round fodder.
I thought for sure with the majority of the upper echelon stars being in the East now that it would change some things. Maybe I just wanted to believe.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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At least one PF won the title as the best player on his team in the last 20 years (KG), no PG has won the title as a top 2 player on his team in the last 20 years. I can't see how it's an important position.
Everyone valued and still values the Nets' package more and the Knicks' players can't really be attributed to their success considering that Felton and Chandler haven't been that good and Gallinari has been injured for most of the time since the trade. The player who's arguably played the best who was traded away from the Knicks is Magic, but the Knicks had destroyed his trade value so I don't think any team other than the Wolves would be interested. The Nuggets getting better is more about the subtraction of Billups and Melo than addition.
AlphaSnake said:
Everyone valued and still values the Nets' package more and the Knicks' players can't really be attributed to their success considering that Felton and Chandler haven't been that good and Gallinari has been injured for most of the time since the trade. The player who's arguably played the best who was traded away from the Knicks is Magic, but the Knicks had destroyed his trade value so I don't think any team other than the Wolves would be interested. The Nuggets getting better is more about the subtraction of Billups and Melo than addition.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/news/story?id=6262138
I hope the little Dwyanes end up being superior basketball players to the little Jefferies
I hope the little Dwyanes end up being superior basketball players to the little Jefferies
Future PhaZe
Member
It's funny how the Knicks are locked the fuck up salary wise despite the Lakers somehow being able to cheese the system with an extra 20 + million to grab guys like Ron and Lamar.
And people know I love the Lakers but this system is on some bullshit...
And people know I love the Lakers but this system is on some bullshit...
Rodeo Clown
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The exceptions are going to go away with the next CBA. The owners are going to crush the players with this CBA: hard cap, lower salaries, less guaranteed money. They're just going to hold out until they get it, and they will. Eventually, the players will cave because 3/4 the league is paycheck to paycheck.Dark FaZe said:
ItWasMeantToBe19
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ph33nix said:
Yes, the main loophole in the current CBA for big market teams is that you can buildup expiring contracts through the draft and then trade those expirings for semi-stars on teams going nowhere and then keep creating more expirings to get stars while retaining the players you acquired. It's pretty lame. Bird Right's should only be available for two players per team and contracts should be the length where expirings don't matter in trades.
Rodeo Clown
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Bird rights on their own players, and MLE and Bi-Annual Exception for free agents.ph33nix said:
Based on what I've been reading, the owners want to make it so they can retain their own players. So there will probably be some sort of new incentive for that (more money, years), but those exceptions are going away.
17 of 30 teams lost money last season. The economics of the NBA are busted.
Rodeo Clown
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You've said this before, and you can keep saying this, but it doesn't make it true. Euroleague teams don't have that kind of cash.charsace said:
Juan Carlos Navarro has one of the biggest contracts in all of the Euroleague and he makes 3 million Euros a year. Ricky Rubio is making 900K Euros this season. These crazy rich teams, owners with deep pockets, do not exist.
cuevas. PhD.
Member
There's a huge difference between Navarro and Lebron James. There are rich owners that will pay top NBA superstar big bucks. Josh Childress got a 3 year 20million contract tax free. He was making more money than a lot of NBA guys. I can see a star player getting 20mill a year tax free.Rodeo Clown said:
Rodeo Clown
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From who? You keep saying this money is there, who are these people? Who are these mystery billionare Europeans guys who also happen to own basketball teams?charsace said:
To this point, nobody like that exists. The economics of the Euroleague don't allow for people to throw around money like that. These teams play like 45 games a year in tiny arenas that any D1 college school would scoff at.
Rodeo Clown
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So the fundamental economics of the Euroleague are going to change because you say so. Got it.charsace said:
Red Blaster
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Gigglepoo said:
If your team is as stacked as the 08 Celtics were, position doesn't matter so much.
charsace said:
What are you talking about? It makes no sense. 20 million a year is like 3 times the entire budget of the best French basketball team (the WHOLE BUDGET, not just salaries). Spanish, Italian and Greek teams have more money but nothing like that. And your logic is so flawed... What does the MLS have to do with anything?
Josh Childress, a bench player, was making 6.7 million a year tax free. Do you really think Lebron can't get 20mill tax free? He is considered to be the best player in the world. You would be a fool to think he couldn't get it when a bench player goes over there and gets 6.7 million tax free. 6.7 million is more than most NBA players make after taxes. I'm sure someone would pay Lebron that and even more to be the face man to pimp whatever his main business is.Rodeo Clown said:
charsace said:
That's not how it works. Childress got the same kind of deal Dominique Wilkins got back in 1996, as in the one contract the odd NBA player will get. He turned out to be far from the best player in the continent. James would get the same kind of contract. Feel free to come over at some point but 'til then, don't talk nonsense. Nobody has 20M for one basketball player. They might have 5M yeah sure, but that's for one crazy investment.
Rodeo Clown
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Thank you. The small arenas, the short season, basketball being a second tier sport at best, they don't allow for 20 million Euros for one player. The highest paid player in all of the Euroleague makes less than 5 million Euros.Gabyskra said:
No one playing ball in Europe is worth 20mill that's why they won't get it. It's that simple. Nique got paid a lot even though he was old and over the hill. The NBA is viewed as the elite league where the elite players are.Gabyskra said:
I brought up Beckham because he was viewed as a popular player coming from the big leagues to play on the lower level (US soccer). If he could have gotten the same money in Europe at the time he would have never came here.
The money will be there for a guy like Lebron. An NBA star in their prime going over to Europe would be a rock star.
I don't know why its so hard for you guys to understand. If there is a lockout and an Allstar player comes out and says that he would be willing to play in Europe there would be leagues over there that would do whatever to allow teams to get that allstar.
If there was a viable football league in Europe the NFL owners wouldn't be as brazen and dickheaded as they are being now. "We gonna wait you guys out because you need money, hur, hur," would not work on the big name NFL players like it can now if there was another league where they could make money.
If there was a viable football league in Europe the NFL owners wouldn't be as brazen and dickheaded as they are being now. "We gonna wait you guys out because you need money, hur, hur," would not work on the big name NFL players like it can now if there was another league where they could make money.
We've already went over this. Basketball in Europe is more minor league than the MLS is compared to the rest of the world. They play in Division-2 sized stadiums of 8-9k. The money isn't there. The sponsors aren't there.charsace said:
EDIT: Also, on another point, nobody's gonna pay Lebron $20mil for a 2 month rental.
RobotChant
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If Lebron or Kobe goes to Europe, or China, they won't be going alone. ESPN and all the shoe companies will be tagging along. Then there are the euro/chinese companies that will throw money in just to be part of the spectacle. I don't know if they'll be able to sustain it long term though. without it being a long term thing I don't think it will be much of a threat to the owners.
The Stealth Fox
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Kashy_Tigray said:
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The Stealth Fox
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It's so funny that the Knicks are looking at another sub .500 season. Thekad-adamus.
Morey wins again.
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