I'm not sure if I want the Heat or the Bulls.
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I'm not sure if I want the Heat or the Bulls.
Herpes Reasons
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scottie was born with balls of steal.
you can't teach that to a crunch time fearing, egotistical, hairline receding maniac.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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As big as your obsession spree with him???
He isn't quicker than Lamb nor is he smarter. He had a better team that's about it. Lamb is the better athlete, bigger, better shooter, better perimeter defender and better scorer overall. Beal is easily the most overrated guy in this draft. A shooter that didn't shoot well and is a poor shooting on the move.
Well, there's also the part where scottie was less concerned about getting his stats, more concerned about getting his rings.
They had a segment with him and someone else (forgot who) on these finding they were going on about how this is "overwhelming evidence" that LeBron is in fact a clutch player. lol wut.
Don't get me wrong, as much as I don't like the guy he's easily the most talented players in the league. But for the most part, he's god awful in the clutch and all you need to do to find that out is actually watch games.
Why didn't these guys check the stats for the last minute, last 30 seconds, and so on? Wouldn't that be more indicative of "clutch" situations? I'm guessing because the findings didn't serve their agenda.
CoffeeJanitor
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Seeing news on twitter feed = obsession spree
TheGreatMightyPoo
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You talk about him a lot lately.
There isn't a soft pretzel big enough to accomodate them.
Bulls, definitely. Last year the Heat showed up for the playoffs (not including the finals) and they were deadly as hell. And they are going to be very motivated because if they don't win this year, I'm expecting that team to self destruct in the off season.
Bulls with Rose have been mediocre and I wouldn't count on their spectacular bench during the playoffs when shit slows down and becomes more strategic. BUT we gotta keep in mind that Rose's bad play during the playoffs last year was due to fatigue from being over played in the regular season.... this season he's had quite a bit of rest, especially as of late. So if he shows up during the playoffs injury free and back to form (doubtful), they might cause quite a bit of trouble in the east.
This last 5 minute obsession that some stat guys came up with, really has no bearing on whether games are close or not, or whether Lebron James is even on the floor during those blowouts. A much easier, and better statistic, would be combinations of what we already have:
1) Team record in games decided by 3 points of less
2) FG% and shots made in game winning and tying situations in final 5-10 seconds
3) FT% in same situation
If they wanted to really be attached to their last 5 minutes or less mantra, we can do point differential in last 5 minutes for games decided by 3 points or less
But even with these numbers...Lebron would be getting credit for wins that D Wade brought when Lebron deferred throughout the fourth. At the end of the day, the simple eye test tells everyone who watches that Lebron is not a consistently willing or successful participant in clutch end game situations
CoffeeJanitor
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Am I missing a joke here? jw
You should probably not base your news on Twitter. It was from a GQ interview that he did a while ago, and he wasn't "bitching". He just said that he wasn't used to all the attention that he gets now, and that he valued his down time. That's all.
From the article: "Using NBA.com data from the last five years (current as of today), from games within five points in the final five minutes of the fourth quarter or overtime, Trevor Ebaugh of ESPN Stats & Info. dug in and created this pretty Tableau table: "
So for the most part, blow outs were probably excluded (unless of course the game turned into a blow out within the last 5 minutes).
There's that and there's the fact that LBJ is alot better.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Hue Hollins destroyed Pippen's legacy.
Really tough call. I think we might have a better shot against the Bulls, especially if Rose doesn't shake the rust off by then. But a part of me WANTS a series with Miami worse than anything, because if we pull off the upset it would be glorious. Memories of '99 <3
fredrancour
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saltiness.
Damn, didn't realise, LBJ is 28 this year. He's only got 4 - 6 more years of prime left.
He doesn't win this year, then i can't see him getting more rings than MJ. And will struggle to catch Kobe.
If we're picking teams, i take pippen.
He doesn't win this year, then i can't see him getting more rings than MJ. And will struggle to catch Kobe.
If we're picking teams, i take pippen.
CoffeeJanitor
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http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/stor...bulls-derrick-rose-uncomfortable-dealing-fame
I read the quotes from there. I can understand why he might be bugged, because it doesn't fit his personality. He was still complaining.
Herpes Reasons
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a lot of people would create a championship team around pippen over lebron.
hell, i would.
being better in whatever relations doesn't really matter
Black Mamba
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Blowouts are not included...it's "crunch time." within 5 points...
Making FTs is a component of being clutch.
They've actually been excellent in the clutch versus crappy teams, but asstastic in the super crunch time (final 24 seconds) versus most teams.
Did you know Miami is 6-1 in games that are 3 points or less this year?
If the Heat were down 5 with 3 min to go and lose by 1, they outscored the other team by 4 in that stretch, so that is positive on their crunch time numbers, although not enough to seal the deal.
Miami does perform in the crunch time, they're just terrible versus good teams in super crunch time.
Except the data doesn't include any blowouts...
It only counts within 5 points under 5 minutes left...
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Pippen got denounced for sitting out the end of a game because the last shot wasn't drawn up for him.
People say he wasn't being a team player and that's legitimate but he was a lot tougher than many gave him credit for.
Barkley would always fuck with Pippen because Pippen was considered mentally soft for a while but as the years went on, he showed that wasn't the case.
I thought his performance against the Jazz in Jordan's last game as a Bull was rather gutsy. He could barely walk.
And? It was an interview that was done weeks ago, and they asked him about how he feels about the fame. He's a shy kid. Everyone knows that about him. He's not saying, "Fuck everyone cause I'm famous." He just said that he's not used to not being able to go where he wants to. "A shy kid from a fucked up neighborhood is now the most famous kid in his hometown" is the angle the writer was going with.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Also, I remember way back in the day reading a story about the Bulls strength trainer saying he was most impressed with Pippen out of anyone.
Herpes Reasons
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pippen was one of those rare players that can guard and play any position from 1-4.
he's still the most versatile player i've ever seen outside of magic.
CoffeeJanitor
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It was put up today so it was news to me.
Several articles with his complaints have come out in the past week or two. I found that funny.
You know what's going to be really funny? When Love leaves the Wolves, and signs with the Bulls. Yeah, I went there!
Ok thats cool and all but that doesn't mean your team will be better because of whatever personal preference you seem to have.
CoffeeJanitor
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LeBron needs to shave his head and beard, and get rid of the headband. He looks old as fuck right now.
I've been predicting that Love will leave for a while now, so that's not really a dis. We have incompetent management.You know what's going to be really funny? When Love loves the Wolves, and signs with the Bulls. Yeah, I went there!
You're fucking right your feelings are hurt! Ha! I win!
Herpes Reasons
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Straight back at you, champ.
CoffeeJanitor
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Fuck off bro, I'm gonna go eat some pretzels alone in an empty room now
TheGreatMightyPoo
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You defer to others though in the clubs, why wouldn't you be partial to LeBron???
Muahahahahaha!
Herpes Reasons
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i dont respect players who supernaturally turn into eunuchs in the 4th.
Gordon's percentages(and that whole team) dropped off after Indiana fired the coach. Before they fired the coach Gordon was getting player of the year recognition. Anyone that watched Gordon knew what strengths he showed at the time. Gordon was a much better prospect than Beal.
Black Mamba
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No, they're good in crunch time (final 5 within 5), but bad in SUPER crunch time (final 24 seconds, shot to tie or take lead).
Miami down 5 vs Chicago doesn't usually lose by 10. Maybe by 1 or 2, but they close the gap.
They're good in crunch time because it's really hard to score on them. The point of this analysis is to throw defense into the mix.
Adam Blade
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Huh.
He didn't flop.
CoffeeJanitor
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Larry brown got hired at SMU. BlaZers nation rejoices
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