Players get old/injured.
For a three season stretch he averaged 19 ppg on 45% fg 35% 3 and 6-7 rebounds.
Sure he wasn't a perennial all star but to act like he sucked then just because he sucks now is fucking insanity.
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Players get old/injured.
For a three season stretch he averaged 19 ppg on 45% fg 35% 3 and 6-7 rebounds.
Sure he wasn't a perennial all star but to act like he sucked then just because he sucks now is fucking insanity.
ClovingWestbrook
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Sorry man but you're wrong. Nash was amazing even in Dallas. And Terry, volume scorer he is, is still a better second option than many players have in this league. You don't think Kobe would have killed to have a scorer like Terry from 05-07?
Gully State
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Jeremy Lin Post Surgery QA
In addition to a dozen requests to go to prom, he received 43 unique marriage proposals (several individuals asked him multiple times, including a particularly persistent fan named Danna who asked him 45 times).
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Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
You mean arguable the fifth or sixth greatest PG to ever play the game Kidd? And without a doubt the greatest modern day PG...
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Pretty much this...
I mean Dirk is an amazing player... But Kark Malone is what you want in a PF.
Someone who will grind in the paint, rebound and beat his mark up..
ThisWreckage
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Karl Malone is not what you want in a PF. A guy that dropped off during the playoffs.
ClovingWestbrook
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It boggles the mind. I hate bringing age into this but I wonder how old some of these folks are because having seen Kidd through his entire career, to discount him is just amazing. The guy has been in the league, what, 18 years? And STILL performing. I mean damn.
I really don't like you. You're actually pushing my back into a corner where I have to come out and defend Karl freaking Malone. But what? I'd LOVE to have Karl Malone on my team. LOVE. LOVE. LOVE. A PF with that type of outside game, rebounding, that type of strength? Damn.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
His numbers are exactly the same... Exactly.. No dropping at all.. But if you say it enough it might come true
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I remember when he pretty much averaged a triple double
ThisWreckage
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Truly great PFs elevate their game when the true competition starts. Look at Dirk's playoff numbers compared to his regular season numbers.
ClovingWestbrook
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Remember those first couple of season with Jim Jackson and Mashburn? Those three had potential and if rumors are accurate, it took Toni Braxton to break it up :*(
Wait... so you're arguing Malone isn't a 'truly' great power forward? Come on man.
Edit: 24ppg, 10rpg, 3apg in the playoffs. Yes, what a horrible playoff career.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
lol.. Dirk is a great player, but Karl Malone played in a system where he was going to see roughly the exact same number of shots everynight. But keep pulling crap out of your arse..
"Truly great PFs" lol who says that?
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
His shooting % takes a small dip but he still got to the line a lot to make up for it..
Not saying Malone isn't great, but his isolation game was lacking. You could give him the ball like you could a couple of other pf's and ask him to get a bucket on a consistent basis.
ThisWreckage
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No, I'm arguing that great players elevate their game when the competition becomes stiff.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Wait? What? His iso game was lacking? Wow...
ThisWreckage
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That's my argument. At least Malone had Stockton and even Horny.
ClovingWestbrook
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First 11 playoffs of career:
Dirk: 25.9ppg, 10.4rpg
Karl: 26.5ppg, 11.3rpg
Lets see how Dirk's numbers playout for the next 4-5 years of his career because that is when Malones started decreasing.
Edit: Regular season for Malone? 26ppg, 11.2rpg.
Dirk: 25.9ppg, 10.4rpg
Karl: 26.5ppg, 11.3rpg
Lets see how Dirk's numbers playout for the next 4-5 years of his career because that is when Malones started decreasing.
Edit: Regular season for Malone? 26ppg, 11.2rpg.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
But that's ok because Dirk dragged ass during the regular season and that's what makes him truly great
ThisWreckage
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cuevas. PhD.
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So Stockton isn't a top 5 pg because he too had them as teammates?
ThisWreckage
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Dirk's game will not fall off much at all. As long as he keeps his conditioning up. His length and shot are always going to be there.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Proving nothing at all! Good work
CommonSense
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Jordan's Bulls would beat the Mavericks in 4 . What's your point?
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Chauncey Billups has a Finals MVP.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
No Stock is good, because Dirk doesn't play point
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
ClovingWestbrook
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Chauncey Billups has one too. Chauncey is as good as Dirk.
Damn you.
I'd love to see Dirk perform at the level Malone was after almost 17 years.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
So.. is the Linsanity bandwagon at capacity, or is there still room for one more?
ClovingWestbrook
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I think you mean how many are getting off the bandwagon.
ClovingWestbrook
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Kidd Dragging the squad of
Kerry Kittles, rook/2nd year Richard Jefferson/Kenyon Martin/Shitty center of the month.
To the finals twice?
Shiieeeeeeeet. Dude was Nash level crazy before media people gave a shit about that type of crazy.
MorisUkunRasik
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People keep saying this, but I can't agree. His shot may be there, but running around at his height is hell on his back, knees, ankles and feet. He is going to be a huge liability on D and at his age with his mileage a chronic nagging injury is a real possibility. Its the main reason why if I were DWill I may want to steer clear of Dallas. They have cash and the willingness to spend it but Dirk is going to be slow as molasses sooner rather than later.
Look at videos of Hakeem working out with Dwight. His shot and post moves are still there, that ain't the reason he isn't in the league.
CommonSense
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My top 5 all time would be:
1) Jordan: Revolutionized the game and pretty much made it the rising global power that it is.
2) Russell: Dem titles
3) The Big O: Averaged a triple double multiple seasons. Never get's his props. Take that LBJ.
4) Wilt: So much better than everyone else on the floor not named Bill. Also led the league in assits twice.
5) Bird and Magic: In together...out together. Revolutionized team play and saved a dying nba. (see Jordan, mike for who ran with the torch)
No current NBA player has a shot at this list. LBJ blew his chance leaving Cleveland and losing titles.
1) Jordan: Revolutionized the game and pretty much made it the rising global power that it is.
2) Russell: Dem titles
3) The Big O: Averaged a triple double multiple seasons. Never get's his props. Take that LBJ.
4) Wilt: So much better than everyone else on the floor not named Bill. Also led the league in assits twice.
5) Bird and Magic: In together...out together. Revolutionized team play and saved a dying nba. (see Jordan, mike for who ran with the torch)
No current NBA player has a shot at this list. LBJ blew his chance leaving Cleveland and losing titles.
ClovingWestbrook
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Kareem? I can't put O above Kareem.
CommonSense
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reilo: I'm pretty sure most in the media rank Bird ahead of Lebron. SLAM has guys like Stockton over Lebron lol.
Yup.
Yup.
ClovingWestbrook
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Yea. Though that goes back to the expectations of others in regards to winning the chips. He didn't win until Kareem arrived and even then he was on the tail end of his career. Same with Wilt. With Wilt it was 'But you ONLY won two championships!!!' Of course he had to go through Russell for almost a decade just to get to the finals.
CommonSense
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Then the same could be said for Durant who isn't in as.good of shape as Dirk.
CommonSense
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He played for years in Cincy with dicks like Wayne Embry and still managed to average a.triple double. Could Bron do that on the Bobcat's? Hell no.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
As they should...Stock leads the NBA in ast and steals...
LBJ just leads last shots turned down at the All Star game..
ClovingWestbrook
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He'd get the PPG and RPG but not the APG. Yep. And maybe its just me but it seems that Oscar has some bitterness to this day, though that may come from how he was treated due to the racial inequality of the day.
All time lists are fucked up.
Peak of dominance or length + great but not dominant?
If you said draft a guy and get Kareem or Shaq, I take Kareem because even when he was old he was still great.
Give me one game with my life riding on the line? I'll take prime shaq over everyone not named Jordan or Russel.
Peak of dominance or length + great but not dominant?
If you said draft a guy and get Kareem or Shaq, I take Kareem because even when he was old he was still great.
Give me one game with my life riding on the line? I'll take prime shaq over everyone not named Jordan or Russel.
MorisUkunRasik
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Perhaps in 10 years when Durant is as old as Dirk is now, and has the same amount of court time registered.
Durant also happens to be more athletic than Dirk has ever been.
CommonSense
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I personally put Shaq in my top 10 as well. Prime Shaq was cheat code.
ClovingWestbrook
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Very good point and I really can't disagree. It's funny, now that Shaq has retired, I'm able to appreciate him much more. Dude was just, I don't even know. Like Common says, cheat code.
Longevity's nice, but Stockton never made his teammates better as much as Nash did his, nor did he disrupt offenses as much as Kidd or Payton.
And Lebron is a better player on offense and on defense than Stockton, easily.
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