ItWasMeantToBe19
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Rose is a pretty shitty shooter though so I don't know if that would really be effective and help them and Rose is a much worse scorer with the ball than LeBron is so I'm not seeing many benefits.
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Rose is a pretty shitty shooter though so I don't know if that would really be effective and help them and Rose is a much worse scorer with the ball than LeBron is so I'm not seeing many benefits.
MorisUkunRasik
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If you downgrade the talent around Bron they become contenders somehow?
Chalmers is about as mediocre as their current pg in CHI, Wade is a better SG than anyone iin CHI, Bron is Bron but in CHI their second best player would be playing the same position as him, Bosh is better than booz and Noah shits on turiaf.
Itd be Cavs 2.0. Regular season champs, bounced in the playoffs.
CommonSense
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Trade Deng for a quakity PG? Problem solved and bulls win 60 games next year.
Also Bron played the point basically his entire career in Cleveland...did you not watch them play? Mo wasn't bringing up that rock.
CherryWoodFuton
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In bizzaro land instead of picking Beas the Bulls did and we ended up with Rose.......One can only wonder.....
MorisUkunRasik
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You can count on one hand how often Bron slashes in a given game. Thats why I said its probably a coaching issue. Spo due to his dumbassness or Brons unwillingness can't seem to take advantage of obvious fortunes in front of them.
Blackace
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Even being a Cle fan doesn't give you that much more exposure to Bron.. And really playing SG for most a game wouldn't be a good move IMO
Wow! That actually happened? LOL. But how bad was beasely for you guys? I've never really seen him play.
MorisUkunRasik
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Bron as PG is easy as fuck to shut down as demonstrated by Boston, San Antonio and Orlando.
CommonSense
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What about the 58 teams they beat a season?
If Bron had a quality SG in Cleveland they would have won a title. Period.
ClovingWestbrook
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Regular season doesn't matter man. What did he do when it mattered?
Blackace
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On O he played PG.. But was covered by SFs.. He took care of Rose last year tho.. But being a full time PG both sides of the ball wouldn't be good or LBJ would have been that already..
Miami could have kept Beas and let LBJ run point if they thought he could
CommonSense
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Jordan couldn't have won a title with that team. He carried them pretty far every year until he went bitchmade and quit against the celtics so he could skip town.
CherryWoodFuton
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Spo was never able to utilize him correctly. Plus his defense was ass. He did have some good offensive games once in a while.
MorisUkunRasik
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Do I need to explain adjustments to you?
No other single player could have got those cleveland teams to that many wins, but they were constantly exposed for what they were in the playoffs every year without fail.
Averaged almost 40 points a game and still lost?
CommonSense
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Exactly. We didn't have a quality 2. Redd would have got us a title.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Omer Asik or Ronnie Brewer are better than everyone on those LeBron Cavs teams other than LeBron and Andy V and they don't even play much at all on the Bulls without injury. Mo and Hickson are two of the worst players in the NBA and they were critical parts of those teams. Swap Rose with LeBron and the Bulls cruise to the title and kill everyone in their path.
CommonSense
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Don't forget Larry Hughes!
MorisUkunRasik
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No it wouldn't have. Bron doesn't have the BBIQ to adjust to adjustments.
He would have gotten picked up at the 3mere point line looking to pass while the wings stayed covered. It would have been the same old story cause Bron isn't a great decision maker
CommonSense
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I dunno..he looked pretty smart against OKC yesterday...
MorisUkunRasik
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Brooks is a terrible coach as well. He should be more worried about The Spurs and The Bulls.
CommonSense
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I agree. If he breaks down again this year, that's it. I think he knows it.
No title 2012 = No legacy
I think he explodes this year in the finals.
darkside31337
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"Stan is still our coach, Dwight is still a player and this is just another chapter thats been going on since the beginning of the season," said Smith, who stressed that a demand for a coaching change was never made to him." Regardless of what has been asked, Stan is still the coach of this basketball team, so thats where we are.
"(Caving to a players demand) is not how I do business," Smith continued. "Everyone has a role. Player play, coaches coach and general managers manage the process, but sometimes lines get blurred. Coaches never play, but players sometimes think they can coach. I dont know the alternatives. The choices are to keep going this way or change (coaches), but what are you changing into? I think the coach has done a very good job with the team that he has. Were not playing very good basketball right now, so (Van Gundy) is frustrated."
Well at least he's honest.
"(Caving to a players demand) is not how I do business," Smith continued. "Everyone has a role. Player play, coaches coach and general managers manage the process, but sometimes lines get blurred. Coaches never play, but players sometimes think they can coach. I dont know the alternatives. The choices are to keep going this way or change (coaches), but what are you changing into? I think the coach has done a very good job with the team that he has. Were not playing very good basketball right now, so (Van Gundy) is frustrated."
Well at least he's honest.
CommonSense
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sucking toes is so unmanly...stop
ClovingWestbrook
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Nope.
MorisUkunRasik
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Rose and Bron don't even play the same position, the idea that plugging Bron into Rose's role makes them champs makes black and white an issue that is completely grey.
Bron couldn't chip with Chalmers Wade Bosh and Haslem and we're supposed to just nod when you say he can do it with Watson Gibson Boozer and Noah?
The biggest piece to the puzzle I think is the coaching change. Spo really needs to be let go due to dumb strategies or inability to take control.
Bron couldn't chip with Chalmers Wade Bosh and Haslem and we're supposed to just nod when you say he can do it with Watson Gibson Boozer and Noah?
The biggest piece to the puzzle I think is the coaching change. Spo really needs to be let go due to dumb strategies or inability to take control.
who are you
CommonSense
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A guy who doesn't like compulsive ass kissing and a false sense of importance? That's what I'd run with
speak up son.A guy who doesn't like compulsive ass kissing and a false sense of importance? That's what I'd run with
CommonSense
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I am at the point of considering the VG clan as poison...seriously.
you sound like a cavs fan
I don't see how anybody can try and refute this.
ClovingWestbrook
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All I need to do is look at how LeBron performed in the finals. He had Dwayne freaking Wade and Chris Bosh and he STILL couldn't win a championship.
jordan0386
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Thats the point though. Dwight shitted on him, so he shitted on Dwight.
Are you seriously insinuating that LeBron's current team is not good enough for him to "cruise to the title"? That Rose has a better supporting squad?
Cause really... no. Just no.
ClovingWestbrook
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Exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if you had LeBron on a team with Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Kevin Durant, and Kevin Love that people would still say he didn't have enough help.
MorisUkunRasik
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Because its really not that simple.
If you look at The Bulls roster sans Rose, and think a SF who plays like a pass first combo guard would be a great fit, then well...shit.
Bron is better than Rose, but he's not a better fit for that team.
Dwight went all in with the Magic last month by opting in. All SVG has to do it put his shit together and try to make a push for the championship. What exactly does throwing the star player under the bus do? It just divides the team and causes all sorts of unnecessary drama.
A player like Dwight Howard is infinitely more valuable to a franchise then a coach like SVG, so its pretty much guaranteed that he's not coming back.
If I were Otis I'd just fire SVG cause this season is pointless now.
ClovingWestbrook
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Bingo. Why this concept is so foreign to so many is beyond me.
Blackace
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Mo was fairly good on O.. Calling Mo Williams at the time he was on Cle and the Bucks one of the worst players in the NBA is hyperbolic trash.
In fact he was a better shooter than anyone on the Bulls now..
MorisUkunRasik
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Mo was a solid 16 and 5 on about 45% shooting. His stats took a dip with Bron actually because Bron isn't a very good PG.
The Heat as they were last year or this year even aren't a very good team. They win because of talent. This theoretical Bulls squad would be alot better.
ClovingWestbrook
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smh.
The theoretical bulls squad works because of Rose and how everyone bought into Thibs system. You can't assume that it'd work with LeBron because they are very different players.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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LeBron's supporting cast is totally nonsensical (which is completely on him, but not really related to this) whereas Rose's supporting cast actually hides his weaknesses and has a bunch of really good players.
Lebron is a way better playmaker than Rose and could do everything rose does better. He's a way better fit.
Blackace said:
Mo was wildly inconsistent and his numbers took a nosedive in the playoffs.
Blackace
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He wasn't a super star, but he was a good player...
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