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2012 NBA Offseason |OT3| The Barclays Center is covered in rust

giri

Member
In alot of eras Dwight wouldn't be an all-star.

Should I list PF's that would shot on Dwight?

You can try, but as dwight guards some of the best offensive PF's of all time (this era has a lot of very good PF's) you'd be mocked for being rather stupid.


He changed shots of the 1-5 it's not the same as guarding them

Pip guarded 1-4

And TD is the victim in this

Saying D12 is as good as he was on D? Horrible

Eh, i'm saying he impacts a teams defense as much. TD was the better defender. It's like saying KG was good as TD. He wasn't. But KG certainly makes a huge impact on Defense.

And as DY said, this is the most perimeter orientated era in history, and for this era, Dwight seems particularly well suited.


I already said you could call him a top help defender. Still doesn't make him "Pippen of Centers"

Except that once the Pick has happened, Dwight regularly guards and stays in front of the ball handler. That is not "help defense".

And that when dwight lets guards get past him, he's regularly letting them, so he can get at the shot from the side/ back of the player.
 
Now starting to remember why I banned you

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Triple U

Banned
You can try, but as dwight guards some of the best offensive PF's of all time (this era has a lot of very good PF's) you'd be mocked for being rather stupid.

LMAO

TD
Dirk
Malone
KG
Mchale
ETC

You seem to forget that this is the guy who could barely hold Gasol in the Finals. Rather stupid can't really describe you right now
 

T Dollarz

Member
Top NBA Centers:

1) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2) Shaquille O'Neal
3) Hakeem Olajuwon
4) David Robinson
5) Patrick Ewing
6) Dwight Howard
 

giri

Member
LMAO

TD
Dirk
Malone
KG
Mchale
ETC

You seem to forget that this is the guy who could barely hold Gasol in the Finals. Rather stupid can't really describe you right now

Ahuh.

So when he cuts down (and he has many many times) guys like dirk, amare, bosh, ... the list goes on... he's just scrubbing it up i guess?
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Oh word? Cuz I don't agree with your ridiculous opinions? I'll ask Evil if thats in the TOS.
Ask away homie

I don't agree with a lot of people and they don't agree with me

But for all the shit you talked about dy screaming until he is right you do 100x worst
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
People always forget how good mountain and zo were
 
http://tracking.si.com/2012/08/16/kevin-durant-stephen-jackson-rap-album/?sct=nba_t2_a12


“Yeah, KD can go, man,” Jackson said in the interview. “I respect him for even getting on the track with me, because a lot of athletes are scared to even get on the same song with me ’cause they feel I’m gonna embarrass them. I’m just happy he took the time to do it, and he really killed the verse so a lot of people are gonna be surprised by it.”
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I don't know about screaming and all that, but that's 100% ego-boosted powertripping/posturing. He has a good point with Magic.

If you knew anything you would know that I don't ban people for disagreeing within my sport opinion

I do ban for acting an ass

And actually it's not a good point because few players made there better like magazines on O

So he didn't make a point he just said no you are ridiculous

Great discussion
 
I always notice an interesting difference when serious sports fans talk about how great(or not great) athletes are, compared to how movie fans do, in that sports are more self-evident. It takes more argument to convince someone who sat through The Godfather and wasn't moved that the fault lies with them rather than the movie. No one can read about Kobe Bryant's stats and say, "that didn't happen!" but they can watch The Godfather and say, "so what?"
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I always notice an interesting difference when serious sports fans talk about how great(or not great) athletes are, compared to how movie fans do, in that sports are more self-evident. It takes more argument to convince someone who sat through The Godfather and wasn't moved that the fault lies with them rather than the movie. No one can read about Kobe Bryant's stats and say, "that didn't happen!" but they can watch The Godfather and say, "so what?"

Basketball is so much more than stats
There are empty stats
Guys like Marbury and Walker will look pretty on paper
 
john wall and his pack of scrubs are a joke in 2k. a patient man would be tested trying to work magic with these chumps. Wall will never be pushed to develop his game in organization where Emeka Okafar is the best player. I kind of pity him.
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
I would go back and find all those posts where I told everyone Wall was a bum but Poptarts.
 

T Dollarz

Member
Alright guys, I'm looking for a little help on this personal project I'm doing. I wanted to start a season on 2K12 (UBR) as the greatest season I can make it. 30 greatest teams of all time, one season. I've been putting a lot of time and thought into which teams to include and have dwindled it down the best I can, but I could use some advice in a few areas. Here's what I have...

First off, I am including teams only from 1980 onward as I find these to be the teams that are most fun to play with and easily compete against each other talent-wise. Secondly, my first priority was including the best TEAMS of this era, with second priority being to represent as many great PLAYERS as I could. Lastly, I wanted to have the most variety of teams I could, so I tried to stay away from things like having the '91 Bulls AND '96 Bulls, but rather just picking the '96 team. Teams that had the same core group I would try and keep to one representation.

Here is the list of 26 definite teams to include that I came up with right off the bat:

1983 76ers - (Moses & Dr. J, won the chip. Thought about the '85 team with rookie Barkley, but that adds 2 extra years on the aging team so not sure it was worth it.)
1986 Celtics - (Bird, McHale, Parish, won the chip. Considered a top 3 team all time, easy choice.)
1986 Rockets - (Akeem & Sampson, took out the Lakers and made the finals. Fun team with the original Twin Towers.)
1987 Lakers - (Magic, Worthy, Kareem. Considered the best team of show time era, easy choice.)
1989/90 Pistons - (Isiah. Not sure it matters which year, both great teams, nearly identical and two rings.)
1992 TrailBlazers - (Drexler)
1993 Suns - (Barkley, KJ. Barkley wins MVP, carries team to finals. Dope team.)
1993 Knicks - (Ewing. Probably best team of '90s Knicks era, really tested Bulls in ECF.)
1995 Magic - (Shaq, Penny. Fun young team, went to finals.)
1994/95 Rockets - (Hakeem. Which year you guys think? Main difference was '94 had Maxwell and '95 had Drexler, I believe.)
1996 Bulls - (MJ & Pippen, Rodman. 72 wins. GOAT.)
1996 SuperSonics - (Payton & Kemp. What you guys think, this or '93 team where Kemp was OMFG athletic? I went here cause went to finals and played Bulls well.)
1997/98 Jazz - (Stockton & Malone. Could have went with a younger team for them in their prime but this was clearly the best team they were ever on. Suggestions on '97 or '98? Not sure that matters.)
1998 Pacers - (Reggie, Mullin. Miller's best team, took Bulls to brink in ECF.)
2000 TrailBlazers - (All around dope squad. Perfect mix of young players and old vets. So fun to play with.)
2001 Lakers - (Shaq & Kobe. Their best team, right? Unbelievable playoff run, although I do miss having Glen Rice from the previous year's team.)
2002 Kings - (Webber. Awesome team. So many weapons. Should have chipped.)
2004 Pistons - (Epitomized team basketball. Dope defensive squad.)
2005 Suns - (Nash, Stoudemire. Nash wins MVP, almost beats Spurs but JJ breaks his face. Super fun offensive team.)
2005 Spurs - (Duncan. Need help on this one. '99, '03, '05, or '07? I settled on '05 cause it was prime Duncan with heavily improved TP and Manu from '03 and it was his first chip sans Robinson.)
2008 Celtics - (Allen, Pierce, Garnett. Three great players, however, not at the peak of their powers. Still, one of the greatest teams (especially defensively) of all time.)
2011 Mavericks - (Dirk. Dirk in his prime carried his team in an unbelievable postseason run. Epic.)
2013 Lakers - (Deciding between '09, '10, and current Lakers. I picked current because it allows me to represent a Kobe team and Dwight team at the same time. Any objections and I'm open to a switch.)
2013 Heat - (Either this or '12 Heat. Don't really care. Lebron at his best, with past his prime Wade.)
2013 Thunder - (Again, either this or '12 version. Doesn't matter. Westbrook, Durant, Harden. Awesome team.)

Okay, so that's 26 teams. Unless we remove any, that leaves 4 spots left. Here are some honorable mentions that I came up with, featuring players that were either not represented at all or not "properly" represented (in their prime. Ex: Jason Kidd on '11 Mavs, Wade on '13 Heat, etc.) and other fun teams that could be included:

Jason Kidd - One of the best point guards ever when in his prime. Possibilities: '97 Suns, '00 Suns, '02 Nets (took to finals),'06 Nets (also features Vince).
Allen Iverson - One of my favorite players ever. Obvious choice would be the '01 76ers.
Tim Hardaway - '91 Warriors (Run TMC), '97 Heat (w/ Zo)
Chris Paul - '08 Hornets or current Clippers (gets Blake too!)
Derrick Rose - only option would be current Bulls, and as a salty fan not sure I wanna do that haha.
Dwyane Wade - '06 Heat (Wade was so good those playoffs. also features still-kicking Shaq!)
Tracy McGrady - '03 Magic, '09 Rockets. Not sure either of these teams were good enough to warrant including. Story of his career (injuries too).
Ray Allen - '05 Sonics. Again, don't think it's worth it.
Dominique Wilkins - '86 Hawks or '90 Hawks. Latter team also features Doc and Spudd!
Lebron James - '09 Cavs. But I think the current Heat team is far better and he is probably better too, so probably pointless.
Paul Pierce - '02 Celtics. Young Pierce with Antoine Walker! haha
Chris Mullin - Another '91 Warriors Run TMC member.
Vince Carter - '00 Raptors or '06 Nets. Personally love Raptors era Vince.
Grant Hill - '97 Pistons. Come on, Grant pre-injury was fantastic!
Carmelo Anthony - '07 Nuggets (w/Camby & AI) or current Knicks. Not bad!
David Robinson - '95 Spurs (MVP year. However, gets wrecked by Dream. Features Rodman as well. Pretty great team actually. I think this one should be in.)
Dwight Howard - If the 2013 Lakers should be excluded, then we need a Dwight team which would be the '09 Magic where he carries them to finals... err... rides the 3 pointers.
Alonzo Mourning - '93 Hornets, '97 Heat. Definitely would go with '97 Heat for him. He is underrated, loved his game.
Dikembe Mutombo - '94 Nuggets or '97 Hawks. Not great teams, but he was a beast. So yeah, probably not.
Yao Ming - '04 Rockets or '09 Rockets. Would love to include a Yao/T-Mac team, just for shits and giggles.
1999 Rockets - They didn't amount to anything, but come on, Pippen-Barkley-Hakeem has to count for something!
2007 Warriors - Baron, Richardson, Monta, Barnes, Jackson, Harrington... that firepower!! What a team!

So yeah, some of those honorable mentions are a stretch but I decided to throw them in to ponder anyways as they are some personal favorites. Please, help me out here! Need those few more teams and I'm off to begin the greatest NBA season ever! (I have a lot of time on my hands)
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
93 hornets zo with LJ

And wouldn't be me if I didn't suggest the 96 Sonics
Better team but 93 with Gill would be fun to play
 

T Dollarz

Member
93 hornets zo with LJ

And wouldn't be me if I didn't suggest the 96 Sonics
Better team but 93 with Gill would be fun to play

Yeah after looking at stats of the two teams the '96 squad definitely seems like the better choice. '93 Hornets were dope but I would say Zo's '97 Heat were even better, no?
 
The 1996 and 2010 Magic teams were better than their predecessors but people underrate them because the competition got tougher.
 
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