Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
lol... then again if he shows something during the playoffs wtf not? Its the NBA far crazier things have happened.
Sneaker Heads quick question. What sneakers is he wearing?
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lol... then again if he shows something during the playoffs wtf not? Its the NBA far crazier things have happened.
Sneaker Heads quick question. What sneakers is he wearing?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Iggy's a Rich Man's Batum and Batum got 46m so why not?
Psychological Intellect
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not sure which ones but I think they're Rose's......................
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
That's what I thought. The Adidas curse continues....
Iggy sucks offensively and he's turning 30 next season.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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He's also the best perimeter defender in the NBA and averages 5 APG.
DJ Crimson
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Yea
Sure, but does anybody pay $60mil for an über-defender nowadays?
I would say that no one should click on this.
I had normally non-religious friends tell me that his recovery is something they'd pray about. Which I saw as an indication of how bad it was.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
yeah but is that worth 60 when you know that he likely won't be avg that level of defense by the time the contract is over.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Yes. It's generally for centers (Chandler and Hibbert and Noah are great defenders whose scoring is not good and they got that level of money. The first overall pick in the upcoming draft can't score at all) since perimeter players can't make the same impact generally, but Iggy can reach close to that level of impact.
Right, but I'm asking for perimeter players of Iggy's caliber. Shane Battier was better offensively and defensively in his prime than Iggy, and he was a MLE player through-and-through.
EDIT: NM, for some reason I thought Gay earned $60mil, he's making $82m :lol
That's what Tayshaun made in his final year of his large contract -- and he was 30.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Paid at the right level? Rudy Gay is like Iguodala if you took Iggy's super high level passing and defense and made them nearly non-existent so I don't get the comparison.
Red Blaster
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wat
Back with Houston, Battier was a 10/49/42 player with a ORtg of 117. Iggy is a 12 - 13PPG player nowadays on bad shooting. He's shooting 58FT%, when he used to be a 70-80FT% on double the FTA.
Red Blaster
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oh you mean now
eh maybe, Iguodala can run an offense and create for others which is always valuable
eh maybe, Iguodala can run an offense and create for others which is always valuable
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Kirilenko is like a super injury-prone Iguodala who was coming off not playing in the NBA and he got $10m a year last year.
Iggy's arguably the best free agent this year other than Dwight and CP3 (I think Smith, West, and Millsap are better players, but there's a case for it) and is the best perimeter defender in the NBA, $60m isn't that laughable of a goal...
Nobody said Kirilenko's deal was a good one, but at least it was a 2 year deal. Also, David Kahn.
We're talking about paying Iggy, what? $16mil when he's 34?
Perimeter defenders don't make nearly enough of a difference in today's NBA to be worth that much. Tony Allen makes like $3 million, you can nearly always get good perimeter defenders for around that much. Iggy does have other skills yes, but not nearly enough to be worth close to the max.
The Frankman
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According to current NBA salary structure:
5 yrs/60.5 for Iggy. That sounds like way too much money.
5 years? That's only if he resigns with Denver under Bird Rights. Otherwise he's getting 4 years on the open market.
Black Mamba
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Remember 2010 Gerald Wallace? Best defensive non-center in the NBA, good offensive production with it. He was 27 then and fell off pretty fast on both ends (compared to when he peaked).
I worry about those types of players and wouldn't pay them more than $10 million ever. Iggy is not a max player at his age. He could be worth $5 million by this time next year; it just isn't worth the risk.
Check out Wallace vs Iggy at their peak 27 and at 29 (Wallace is 30 now).
http://bkref.com/tiny/JH1jF
http://bkref.com/tiny/nXc9M
Would not touch at high price tag. These players regress faster than the Battier types. And I think Iggy has slipped on defense this year.
edit: And FTR I agree that you don't overpay for perimeter defense in this league. The rules just don't allow for great perimeter defenders to make that big an impact; it's all about the interior D. It's why, even though Iggy plays good defense on Denver, Denver still isn't anything special or close to it on defense. He's a great guy to have on the team, but if I have to pay him $50 mil over 4 or 5 years (if I'm Denver), I balk at his age. Those contracts are what really hurt franchises.
I worry about those types of players and wouldn't pay them more than $10 million ever. Iggy is not a max player at his age. He could be worth $5 million by this time next year; it just isn't worth the risk.
Check out Wallace vs Iggy at their peak 27 and at 29 (Wallace is 30 now).
http://bkref.com/tiny/JH1jF
http://bkref.com/tiny/nXc9M
Would not touch at high price tag. These players regress faster than the Battier types. And I think Iggy has slipped on defense this year.
edit: And FTR I agree that you don't overpay for perimeter defense in this league. The rules just don't allow for great perimeter defenders to make that big an impact; it's all about the interior D. It's why, even though Iggy plays good defense on Denver, Denver still isn't anything special or close to it on defense. He's a great guy to have on the team, but if I have to pay him $50 mil over 4 or 5 years (if I'm Denver), I balk at his age. Those contracts are what really hurt franchises.
Steph Curry's deal looks so good now
Wallace's contract was a steal though.
I'm purposely not looking at that injury. From what I've read and what you guys are saying, Jesus.
And how anyone can like college ball over NBA ball is beyond me. If you live in a town with no NBA team and u went to a college with a great tradition, I can understand...but the product is so much worse than NBA ball. Saying otherwise is just silly. Much less talent, much less defensive skill, and despite that, far worse offensive production. Say what you will about NBA iso ball, but any half decent iso nba player is more effective than the most well drawn college play. Those kids would get locked down trying to run that shit against the Bobcats. And well tuned NBA offenses like the Spurs or the Heat are a million times more effective than even the best college offense.
And how anyone can like college ball over NBA ball is beyond me. If you live in a town with no NBA team and u went to a college with a great tradition, I can understand...but the product is so much worse than NBA ball. Saying otherwise is just silly. Much less talent, much less defensive skill, and despite that, far worse offensive production. Say what you will about NBA iso ball, but any half decent iso nba player is more effective than the most well drawn college play. Those kids would get locked down trying to run that shit against the Bobcats. And well tuned NBA offenses like the Spurs or the Heat are a million times more effective than even the best college offense.
Black Mamba
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Sure, at the time. Giving a 25 year old Wallace or Iggy a 5 year $50 million deal isn't bad at all.
When they're 30, however, it's terrible. Nets are already regretting their 4/40 and I bet whoever signs Iggy will as well.
Future PhaZe
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The pick has to be Olynyk or Len now I guess.
Yeah.
Its just weird how well that contract worked out considering all that was going on at the time. When he got that contract, he was barely worth it imo.
You guys can have Olynyk, OKC will take Len.
Future PhaZe
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It's not the easiest choice for me right now, I'm still looking up clips/tape and looking through stats...last year I wouldn't have even looked at Len, but the way Drummond was basically an idiot at Uconn but better floor spacing + his physical helped him play well in the league...idk.
And we definitely need insurance against Okafor bailing/aging out of the league.
At the same time though Len seems like a mental midget and I'm tired of drafting physical tools over smart/intelligent players.
I probably still want Olynyk. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.
Yes. And seeing as how the league is perimeter oriented his defense and ability to help run offense are a good thing to have.
Len is a huge project. Both a 7 fters Olynyk is a much better offensive player than Len, stronger, far more coordinated, just the better guy. Len is a poor man's Myers Leonard.
Future PhaZe
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I'd rather just pay Ariza half of what Iggy will make.
Does Len really seem that dim, or is that just based on his performance on the floor?
All I'm gonna say is that one of these big man projects is bound to work out. Swift, Sene, Mullens, Aldrich... Surely the next guy we draft will be a stud. Law of averages.
Future PhaZe
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He's not an idiot...
His situation is similar to Drummond. Guard play in Maryland has been so terrible that it's just hard to gauge what Len can really do...but it's clear he's not that great offensively but could he grow to be? His physical tools are really really good.
It's a selection that would be based completely on development and upside...which would be terrible for OKC considering they hate development these days.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Ehh, I don't disagree with the fact that interior defense is definitely much more valuable than perimeter defense, but I think comparing Iguodala to Wallace is a bit unfair. Wallace had injury after injury and collision after collision before falling off a cliff like he has whereas Iguodala has been really durable throughout his career. I think Iguodala will age a good bit better. I would rather give Iggy 3 years, $36 million than 4/60, but if a team feels they have to spend money on a player and needs a wing, I wouldn't be surprised if he got it and I don't think it would be one of the 20 or 30 worst contracts in the league even when he's 34.
Future PhaZe
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What are the number of teams with cap room that can afford giving a terrible offensive wing 12 million per though lol.
Here's another way of looking at it hypothetically: Clips could get Iggy at SF and lose Crawford or get Ariza and keep Crawford.
Just from a value perspective..
Here's another way of looking at it hypothetically: Clips could get Iggy at SF and lose Crawford or get Ariza and keep Crawford.
Just from a value perspective..
i finally decided to look at it, the next post was yours
i had the same exact reaction.
Vestal
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Ever seen what happened to Sid Vicious back in WCW when he jumped off the second rope for the big boot landing on one foot?
Exactly that, but without a boot to cover how the leg looked afterwards.
Ware has about 6 inches of bone sticking out of the middle of his shin. Think about that for a moment. You can probably visualize it and decide which is worse.
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