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2013 NBA Playoffs |OT| Lakers started from the bottom, and they still there

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The Frankman

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MVP said:
lol now you're just making shit up...let me guess, you're gonna post a video of their accidental shoulder bump, and call that his "very public campaign"?

LBJ, unlike a lot of the so-called greats who were divas (Kobe, Jordan, etc.), is coachable by anybody as long as you're not a moron. He deserves the creme de la creme of coaching,-
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what?

why?

what the Hell does this even mean?
 
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linsivvi

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MVP said:
LBJ, unlike a lot of the so-called greats who were divas (Kobe, Jordan, etc.), is coachable by anybody as long as you're not a moron.
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A lot of coaches are morons. So what you're saying is he's not coachable by many coaches.

The biggest LeBron improvement of the past couple seasons was his performance during crunch time. It's his mental game. Something Dwight has not shown he's remotely trying to address.
 
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Sanjuro

Member
ph33nix said:
if KD wants to play enforcer role too, then someone should play the same game with him

hope the dude and his skinny ass frame is ready for he thuggery he dishes out

giri, I also would like any proof or even some article that LEGIT shows any inkling of lbj wanting spo fired. otherwise its just strawman speculation from a little bump or what some hack writer did
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Why would LeBron want Spo out? Spo is basically everything Mike Brown is in terms of letting Bron play Bron, without the goofy faces.

Well, lesser tier of goofy faces.
 
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linsivvi

Member
Spo is also nowhere near as terrible as Mike Brown. he's a mediocre coach, or maybe below average, but not Mike Brown/Antoni/McHale level.
 
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KingKong

Member
linsivvi said:
Spo is also nowhere near as terrible as Mike Brown. he's a mediocre coach, or maybe below average, but not Mike Brown/Antoni/McHale level.
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What makes Spo mediocre? He's played some very good lineups and changes and managed to make a team that people said would never work (Wade and LeBron both want the ball) function perfectly. They've even played well when both LeBron and Wade were out

You could say they lost to Dallas in the finals but that had more to do with LeBron averaging 4 points in the 4th quarter than anything Spo did
 
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Red Blaster

Member
reading the spuds/lakers game thread on realgm and one of the head mods says that pimpwerx is one of the worst posters on the forum and that he unfortunately hasn't done enough to get banned lolololol
 
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charsace

Member
linsivvi said:
Spo is also nowhere near as terrible as Mike Brown. he's a mediocre coach, or maybe below average, but not Mike Brown/Antoni/McHale level.
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Mike Brown isn't a bad coach. He knows defense and understands that he isn't a good offensive coach so he gets help to coach it.
 
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DMczaf

Member
Vahagn said:
Pau Gasol has played 12 playoff games in his career without Kobe Bryant. He's 0-12.

Just some food for thought
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ph33nix

MWO
Not sure how any can say Spo is mediocre or below mediocre. Maybe he's not the greatest, but he's pretty damn good

The Michael Beasley teams overachieved...and by that I mean everybody else overachieved while Beasley underachieved. But they did way better than most thought they would
 
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fertygo

Member
Spo aren't bad coach, just have bad face.

Bad joke indeed.. but seriously, his reaction like always asking to got punch, pringlesque.
 
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Tragicomedy

Member
Spo works hard, studies the game, and manages game time situations well. He's a good coach. It doesn't hurt to have LBJ, Wade, and Bosh in the starting lineup, but it doesn't make sense to discredit his coaching.

According to GAF, Phil Jackson is the only decent coach alive today. It seems like every other coach out there gets crapped on as being mediocre. That hyperbole.
 
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Triple U

Banned
Tragicomedy said:
Spo works hard, studies the game, and manages game time situations well. He's a good coach. It doesn't hurt to have LBJ, Wade, and Bosh in the starting lineup, but it doesn't make sense to discredit his coaching.

According to GAF, Phil Jackson is the only decent coach alive today. It seems like every other coach out there gets crapped on as being mediocre. That hyperbole.
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My god tier of coaches is PJ, Riley, Pop, and RA.
 
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Future PhaZe

Member
The book is still out on Mike Brown. You don't just win 60+ games with that Cavs roster. I think its pretty clear that players from the Lakers that we thought were high caliber turned out to either regress horribly (Nash), or were injured or under utilized ( Pau, Dwight).

It's hard to argue that Phil Jackson himself would have changed anything, considering his team that was two years younger got swept by Dallas. The roster just wasn't anywhere near as good as it looked on paper for a number of reasons.

Brown has a chance to show how good he really is with this Cavs team. He'll get the opportunity to coach up a rebuilding team and have to make rotation decisions that aren't obvious due to the variety of young guys they have.

My Coach tiers:

1. Pop, Thibs

2. Doc, Monty, Carlisle, Adelman, SVG, JVG

3. Woodson, Karl, Vogel, Gentry

4. Spo, Brown

5. A bunch of other guys - Wittman, Corbin, Del Negro, Jackson, etc

6. Stank Trash Tier : McHale, Mike D'Antoni, Dwayne Casey
 
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Emwitus

Member
Dark FaZe said:
The book is still out on Mike Brown. You don't just win 60+ games with that Cavs roster. I think its pretty clear that players from the Lakers that we thought were high caliber turned out to either regress horribly (Nash), or were injured or under utilized ( Pau, Dwight).

It's hard to argue that Phil Jackson himself would have changed anything, considering his team that was two years younger got swept by Dallas. The roster just wasn't anywhere near as good as it looked on paper for a number of reasons.

Brown has a chance to show how good he really is with this Cavs team. He'll get the opportunity to coach up a rebuilding team and have to make rotation decisions that aren't obvious due to the variety of young guys they have.

My Coach tiers:

1. Pop, Doc

2. Thibs, Monty, Carlisle, Adelman, SVG, JVG

3. Woodson, Karl, Vogel, Gentry

4. Spo, Brown

5. A bunch of other guys - Wittman, Corbin, Del Negro, Jackson, etc

6. Stank Trash Tier : McHale, Mike D'Antoni, Dwayne Casey
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Fixed, No way you have Thibs over doc.

And i really hope you mean the other jackson down there.
 
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Red Blaster

Member
Dark FaZe said:
The book is still out on Mike Brown. You don't just win 60+ games with that Cavs roster. I think its pretty clear that players from the Lakers that we thought were high caliber turned out to either regress horribly (Nash), or were injured or under utilized ( Pau, Dwight).

It's hard to argue that Phil Jackson himself would have changed anything, considering his team that was two years younger got swept by Dallas. The roster just wasn't anywhere near as good as it looked on paper for a number of reasons.

Brown has a chance to show how good he really is with this Cavs team. He'll get the opportunity to coach up a rebuilding team and have to make rotation decisions that aren't obvious due to the variety of young guys they have.

My Coach tiers:

1. Pop, Thibs

2. Doc, Monty, Carlisle, Adelman, SVG, JVG

3. Woodson, Karl, Vogel, Gentry

4. Spo, Brown

5. A bunch of other guys - Wittman, Corbin, Del Negro, Jackson, etc

6. Stank Trash Tier : McHale, Mike D'Antoni, Dwayne Casey
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Monty aint that good
 
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linsivvi

Member
Tragicomedy said:
Spo works hard, studies the game, and manages game time situations well. He's a good coach. It doesn't hurt to have LBJ, Wade, and Bosh in the starting lineup, but it doesn't make sense to discredit his coaching.

According to GAF, Phil Jackson is the only decent coach alive today. It seems like every other coach out there gets crapped on as being mediocre. That hyperbole.
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What? GAF universally loves Pop. Riley should be up there too, though his 90s fuck ball tarnished his image a little bit. I don't blame him though, that's the only way to win with the shitty talents he had.

Thibs shouldn't be in the Pop tier. At least not yet.
 
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MetalFearSolid

Banned
Dark FaZe said:
The book is still out on Mike Brown. You don't just win 60+ games with that Cavs roster. I think its pretty clear that players from the Lakers that we thought were high caliber turned out to either regress horribly (Nash), or were injured or under utilized ( Pau, Dwight).

It's hard to argue that Phil Jackson himself would have changed anything, considering his team that was two years younger got swept by Dallas. The roster just wasn't anywhere near as good as it looked on paper for a number of reasons.

Brown has a chance to show how good he really is with this Cavs team. He'll get the opportunity to coach up a rebuilding team and have to make rotation decisions that aren't obvious due to the variety of young guys they have.

My Coach tiers:

1. Pop, Thibs

2. Doc, Monty, Carlisle, Adelman, SVG, JVG

3. Woodson, Karl, Vogel, Gentry

4. Spo, Brown

5. A bunch of other guys - Wittman, Corbin, Del Negro, Jackson, etc

6. Stank Trash Tier : McHale, Mike D'Antoni, Dwayne Casey
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Where does Brooks fit? I think he is on the level as Spo and Brown. or even lower. overrated imo
 
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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
Dark FaZe said:
The book is still out on Mike Brown. You don't just win 60+ games with that Cavs roster. I think its pretty clear that players from the Lakers that we thought were high caliber turned out to either regress horribly (Nash), or were injured or under utilized ( Pau, Dwight).

It's hard to argue that Phil Jackson himself would have changed anything, considering his team that was two years younger got swept by Dallas. The roster just wasn't anywhere near as good as it looked on paper for a number of reasons.

Brown has a chance to show how good he really is with this Cavs team. He'll get the opportunity to coach up a rebuilding team and have to make rotation decisions that aren't obvious due to the variety of young guys they have.

My Coach tiers:

1. Pop, Thibs

2. Doc, Monty, Carlisle, Adelman, SVG, JVG

3. Woodson, Karl, Vogel, Gentry

4. Spo, Brown

5. A bunch of other guys - Wittman, Corbin, Del Negro, Jackson, etc

6. Stank Trash Tier : McHale, Mike D'Antoni, Dwayne Casey
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Monty is fucking terrible.

I realize nobody watches Pelicans games but the dude is bad. Like really bad. So many games lost this year with his shitty rotations and terrible coaching at end of games.
 
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CherryWoodFuton

Member
That list is all kinds of wrong. Vogel and Monty on top of Spo???

Here's the correct list (active coaches)

1. Pop

2. Doc, Thibs, Adelman,

3. Woodson, Karl, Spo

4. Vogel, Jackson, Brooks

5. A bunch of other guys - Wittman, Corbin, Del Negro, Monty etc

6. Stank Trash Tier : McHale, Mike D'Antoni, Dwayne Casey
 
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Future PhaZe

Member
Emwitus said:
Fixed, No way you have Thibs over doc.

And i really hope you mean the other jackson down there.
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Mark Jackson on lower tier.

Not sure why you think Doc is better than Thibs. Thibs laid the defensive foundation down that made the Celtics champions. Thibs seemlessly brought that foundation to Chicago as well and I just can't even imagine Doc being able to coach this same injury riddled Bulls team through the regular season and to a potential 4-1 victory over a healthy Nets team.


Red Blaster said:
Monty aint that good
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I like him a lot. I like how he brought AD along this year and he's one of those guys that can actually have guys get better and learn during tank years. His playoff resume is short but he pooped on Phil (though a lot of that was CP).

MetalFearSolid said:
Where does Brooks fit? I think he is on the level as Spo and Brown. or even lower. overrated imo
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He's below Spo and Brown. He's pretty bad. Bad in game adjustments and the fact that he went through an 82 game season without giving Lamb a chance to compete is insane considering that kids talent level.
 
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BruceLeeRoy

Banned
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Emwitus

Member
Dark FaZe said:
Mark Jackson on lower tier.

Not sure why you think Doc is better than Thibs. Thibs laid the defensive foundation down that made the Celtics champions. Thibs seemlessly brought that foundation to Chicago as well and I just can't even imagine Doc being able to coach this same injury riddled Bulls team through the regular season and to a potential 4-1 victory over a healthy Nets team.
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What? How do you even know that it was all on him? I could easily tie it to kevin garnett arriving in boston. Which is proven over and over again by his +/- whenever his on the court. And doc has been coaching injury ridden teams for the past 3 years. And has been more successful than him in the playoffs.

EDIT: After reading up more on Thibs defensive ratings on previous teams....you might be right about him defensively. However i still think Doc has been able to do more with a lesser team.
 
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Pimpwerx

Member
Red Blaster said:
reading the spuds/lakers game thread on realgm and one of the head mods says that pimpwerx is one of the worst posters on the forum and that he unfortunately hasn't done enough to get banned lolololol
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Blame Rasho is a toolbox. My and1's say otherwise. If I wasn't a good poster, no one would know who I was, like is the case with 99% of all trolls. My volume isn't high enough otherwise. BTW, I'm flattered that you care enough about me to track me across forums. I wish I could say the same. PEACE.
 
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Pimpwerx

Member
Tragicomedy said:
Spo works hard, studies the game, and manages game time situations well. He's a good coach. It doesn't hurt to have LBJ, Wade, and Bosh in the starting lineup, but it doesn't make sense to discredit his coaching.

According to GAF, Phil Jackson is the only decent coach alive today. It seems like every other coach out there gets crapped on as being mediocre. That hyperbole.
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This.

Spo supposedly wins on talent alone, while other superteams have collapsed or languished in the distance with extremely talented rosters as well. IMO, a great coach gets the most out of what he has, and can adjust his plan to any situation. I think Spo's done a marvelous job in that regard. 3 not-so-compatible pieces are experiencing career years in efficiency, and click on both ends of the floor. For someone who's job is win or bust, he's doing what he has to. PEACE.
 
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Gully State

Member
CherryWoodFuton said:
That list is all kinds of wrong. Vogel and Monty on top of Spo???

Here's the correct list (active coaches)

1. Pop

2. Doc, Thibs, Adelman,

3. Woodson, Karl, Spo

4. Vogel, Jackson, Brooks

5. A bunch of other guys - Wittman, Corbin, Del Negro, Monty etc

6. Stank Trash Tier : McHale, Mike D'Antoni, Dwayne Casey
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Del Negro too high...
 
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Red Blaster

Member
Collins still needs to play next year or else it'll be just like when John Amaechi came out and people will forget

Pimpwerx said:
Blame Rasho is a toolbox. My and1's say otherwise. If I wasn't a good poster, no one would know who I was, like is the case with 99% of all trolls. My volume isn't high enough otherwise. BTW, I'm flattered that you care enough about me to track me across forums. I wish I could say the same. PEACE.
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noticing that you make the same dumb and vapid posts here that you do at realgm with the same username took literally no effort on my part, don't flatter yourself too hard sunshine
 
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Pimpwerx

Member
Red Blaster said:
noticing that you make the same dumb and vapid posts here that you do at realgm with the same username took literally no effort on my part, don't flatter yourself too hard sunshine
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Yeah right. You subscribe to my posts on both forums. Don't try to deny your fandom now. PEACE.
 
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