Guys in every other war there are no civilian casualties. How can Israel fuck this up so bad? I mean they are only walking in a hugely populated area, surrounded by hamas terrorists and civilians. I think it's now pretty clear that Israel's main objective is to walk in and kill as many women and children just for the fun of it.
2014 Israel-Gaza Conflict [UN: 1,525+ Palestinian dead, mostly civilian; 66 Israeli]
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Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
If Hamas dies, another equally radical group will take it's place.
Hamas is a symptom, not the root cause of this problem.
I didn't label anyone. It's a small area and I'm sure people have an idea where Hamas is whether they support them or not.
Wow. So we should just pretend like this is not happening instead.
And if another radical group steps up, then the Palestinians need to shut them down. Again, this isn't about who is right or wrong anymore. The Palestinians are going to die unless they do something.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Do you know where all the drug dealer houses are in your neighbourhood? Unless you know exactly who every single one of your neighbors is and what they do, don't assume the same for them.
Summer Haze
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What should we be doing instead of discussion our worlds problems? Watch some reality TV bullshit and bury our heads in the sand? I'm not seeing the point of your comment.
This. So much this.
It is more simpler than that. Israel should just stop killing. Period.
Mental Atrophy
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Yes. That was exactly what I was saying. Your conviction is as pathetic as your power.
What an inane simplification.
At this point organizations like Hamas get MORE support, as they are fighting against Israel. When people are chased our of their homes and have family members killed, they don't throw all emotion out the window and think "maybe if I grovel and become a murderer, things will be better".
It's not a realistic solution, and it wouldn't work anywhere. How do the Palestinians even know WHO is a part of Hamas? How do they, in this chaos, organize anything like that? How do they prevent more people, people who've just lost their children, fill the holes in Hamas that we're made? And most importantly, how do they know that doing any of these things will give them a better life?
It's all bullshit roundabout justification and victim blaming, throwing all this on Hamas, what Israel is doing is wrong and they are the ones with both the power, organization and moral/legal obligation to stop this.
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War fueled by racism.
They aren't 'radicalized'. That suggests they're nuts in some way. Fighting back against people that do this to you is entirely normal. It's the Israeli's that are 'radicalized'.
Can the internet use this as an opportunity to go after pundits? I am LEGITIMATELY interested in how Hannity, Levin, and company are going to try and make light of the situation. CNN has some semblance of balance, and MSNBC can admit wrong, but Fox News is on another level of insane.
Territory, I'd say. Always comes down to the control of finite resources. Or not. I don't know anything about politics.
What is wrong with being against Israel?
Sure, you're right. But they aren't going to stop. They will keep killing and no one will stop them. The Palestinians have two choices now. Eradicate Hamas themselves and hope Israel backs off or let Israel kill you.
It's an easy choice if you value self preservation.
This is what happens when a whole nation of people overly identifies with atrocities committed against their ancestors.
Suddenly, every minor thing becomes a question of continued existence and there's no cost too great when it comes to "protecting" themselves. Their paranoia means the lives of others are worthless.
Could you imagine Israel's reaction if 400 mostly civilian Israelis were murdered? Pretty sure it would mean nuclear war.
Suddenly, every minor thing becomes a question of continued existence and there's no cost too great when it comes to "protecting" themselves. Their paranoia means the lives of others are worthless.
Could you imagine Israel's reaction if 400 mostly civilian Israelis were murdered? Pretty sure it would mean nuclear war.
it depends on the reason, I would surmise
Israel is perfect bro. Can't go against them.
This is pretty disgusting. Shame that the Israeli government is such a fucking joke.
Fox News will never side against Israel. They will twist the story so that they are the good guys in this conflict. Even the liberals on Fox go with that typical line of "Israel has a right to defend itself". MSNBC might, but the thing is that the owners of MSNBC also supply Israel with military equipment; so there's a conflict of interest there to give the actual story. CNN will give "both sides of the issue" -- which means projecting a 50/50 fight. Our politicians will support Israel because it is popular to do so. I doubt Obama will do anything, but I'm hoping.
I would have a lot more sympathy for Israels sitation if they actually genuinely tried to deescalate the situation. After all, no country will allow others to bombard it, especially not if you it has the means to fight back.
Alas, it seems much of the israeli leadership is just as stubborn as their Hamas counterparts, always expanding settlements, screwing with water rights ect.
At this point, either the Israeli population has a change of heart or the West just forces a solution, again. And with how these solutions have turned out in the past there's no guarantee that it would fix anything. The conflict being less lopsided would likely result in even more casualties.
Alas, it seems much of the israeli leadership is just as stubborn as their Hamas counterparts, always expanding settlements, screwing with water rights ect.
At this point, either the Israeli population has a change of heart or the West just forces a solution, again. And with how these solutions have turned out in the past there's no guarantee that it would fix anything. The conflict being less lopsided would likely result in even more casualties.
You're asking people to kill their loved ones and friends so that the occupiers maybe won't slaughter everyone? Yeah who wouldn't agree to that??
This is hideous logic and a reprehensible point of view. It's apparently up to Palestinian civilians to wage a bloody conflict on their own people so they aren't indiscriminately slaughtered by a well-equipped oppressor. Brilliant.
Kenshin001
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I think Israelis see it the other way around. The root cause of the problem is radical groups like Hamas. I mean almost every Arab country there are radical Islamic groups trying to kill people for one reason or another.
GameAddict411
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"self defense" must have a different meaning by the israeli government, it probably a fake translation because all i see is dead palestinians with no israeli casualties. its all fine and dandy by western governments because its "israel", you know the country that they funded and supported without any rights to that land.
its fucking disgusting, DISGUSTING what's happening in this world. people around the world turn a deaf ear to all of this because it simply doesn't affect them.
if a similar thing was supported by china, iran or russia all hell will break lose "those monsters" "they have no rights" they're killing people left and right" "we should do something about it" people will say, and their governments. hypocrisy at its finest.
i am sorry because of all of this rant, but i just can't take it anymore.
its fucking disgusting, DISGUSTING what's happening in this world. people around the world turn a deaf ear to all of this because it simply doesn't affect them.
if a similar thing was supported by china, iran or russia all hell will break lose "those monsters" "they have no rights" they're killing people left and right" "we should do something about it" people will say, and their governments. hypocrisy at its finest.
i am sorry because of all of this rant, but i just can't take it anymore.
Yeah cuz the Israeli ppl love Arab.
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I do wonder when people are considered terrorists.
Is it when they bomb innocent people?
Is it when they tell people to leave their homes or they'll get blown to pieces?
I don't know. It just seems to me that you can only be a terrorist if you have an islamic name.
Is it when they bomb innocent people?
Is it when they tell people to leave their homes or they'll get blown to pieces?
I don't know. It just seems to me that you can only be a terrorist if you have an islamic name.
What reasons would be wrong? If it is anti-semetism, do you think you are in danger of being anti-semite?
Actually, the world turns a deaf ear (well, not totally tbf) to the atrocities the Chinese, the Russians and to a lesser extent the USA commits too.
The reason is simple, who is going to do anything about it?
Wolves Evolve
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I used to think Israel's right to self-defense was absolute. I even used to parrot lines like "if you were being rocketed, what would you do?" as recently as 2008. But with massacres, open racism of politicians, land grabs, water theft, political duplicity, assassinations, targeting of children, I have zero interest in moral equivalence discussions.
The insidious racial coding under the banner of a Jewish state would be unacceptable in other contexts. The way the global right-wing press gouges people into casting all criticism of Israel as anti-semitic is grotesque.
Under ANY tweet about today's massacre you have the mewling idiots defending death itself: "what would you do in their shoes? (meaning Israel)" But yes, precisely, what would any of us do in the shoes of a Palestinian? If a country blew up my child, why wouldn't I resist their violence? Because of the stern tut-tutting of "we told you so?" and more bombs?
Israel MATERIALLY benefits from this status quo and will leave this massacre as it intends; with more land, more dead, more confusion, more anger. Everything the right wing wants in Israel, it can get easiest through violence.
The insidious racial coding under the banner of a Jewish state would be unacceptable in other contexts. The way the global right-wing press gouges people into casting all criticism of Israel as anti-semitic is grotesque.
Under ANY tweet about today's massacre you have the mewling idiots defending death itself: "what would you do in their shoes? (meaning Israel)" But yes, precisely, what would any of us do in the shoes of a Palestinian? If a country blew up my child, why wouldn't I resist their violence? Because of the stern tut-tutting of "we told you so?" and more bombs?
Israel MATERIALLY benefits from this status quo and will leave this massacre as it intends; with more land, more dead, more confusion, more anger. Everything the right wing wants in Israel, it can get easiest through violence.
GameAddict411
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Human garbage.
jakonovski
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And when you think about it, it's a common trope in fiction. The bad guy giving the protagonist a choice, choose which one of your friends will be killed, or both of them will die.
I really want someone to make a compilation of stupid, ignorant, and inflammatory things Fox News will say during this conflict. The punditts on their programs will literally be committing career suicide if they can cheer for this sort of behavior. The spin will be debilitating.
GameAddict411
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the people themselves, if they find that their government is doing terrible things against humanity they should protest against it, overthrow it in extreme cases. the country is owned by its people and not by the governments that rule them.
edit: no one gives a deaf ear when controversial things are being done by russia or china, infact its over exaggerated in most cases.
Twitter brings bad things out. Remember Fukushima?
I get what you want to say, but twitter is weird. I think the guys who go out of their way to sit in chairs to watch people die are a better indicator than Twitter.
jufonuk
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This, all I see on the feeds at work at the moment are , MH17 and Gaza aftermath....
Summer Haze
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That is fucking disgusting and inexcusable. Was there any official statement about this? Did they try and spin it?
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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Holy shit at the twitter comments. What the hell is wrong with people?
Terra Firma
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There were no protests in America against helping Japan. There were counter protests to peace rallies in Israel.
CreeperBlocks
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This made me sick to my stomach.
That might work in America and probably Israel, but the people raising against the government doesn't always work out so well.
The people who "own" a country are those who control the guns/economy.
This is about worst kind of comment one could make. We can't do anything as individuals so let's just stop talking about it and pretend it doesn't exist? Yeah, I'm sure you'd like that if you were living in Palestine right now.
The less people talk about it = the less awareness there is for the issues = the fewer the chances are this will change.
People discussing politics on the internet does not have an immediate effect but it can shape the way people think and see things, which may effect the way they vote next time, and that could be crucial making things right in the world.
If we don't talk about political issues and act like we don't care about it, then we're essentially giving the powers that be permission to do as they please.
They won't. The senate yesterday unanimously voted to back Israel's actions. And our secretary of state has affirmed this. Supporting Israel is popular with the right wing and apparently much of the liberals. Fox News is openly Islamophobic and the threshold for what is too much is very high. The spin is that Israel is the victim. That is always the spin.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Makes me sick.
But if there is no radical group, what resistance would there be to Israel taking their land?
Yeah, it just saying that Twitter is a lousy evidence alone. It can underline a message, but standing alone it's a rather weak argument.
Maybe he should've added articles about people sitting in chairs or rally against peace.
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