2014 Israel-Gaza Conflict [UN: 1,525+ Palestinian dead, mostly civilian; 66 Israeli]

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This is just wrong. At least show some tact. Given the overwhelming gulf in military might at least show some fucking tact.

How has no one at least told Israel to cool it a bit? Unbelievable.
 
During one phone call with President Obama, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "had to interrupt the conversation with the President of the United States to go to a shelter. People can't live that way," Kerry said.

That poor guy!

Fuck Netanyahu.
Fuck the Israeli Government,
Fuck Kerry.

God this shit pisses me off so fucking much.
 
Despicable, I don't like Hamas but whatever Fireworks Hamas has, it won't require such an extreme slaughtering, Zionism is slowly approaching Nazism.
 
Aaand he immediately responds by toeing the line and presenting Israel's 'difficult' position.

You would think after so many years they'd realise all this does is create more generations of people legitimately angry at the US and doing anything they can to hurt the country who killed their wife/huband/daughter/son/mother/father/etc.

So keep defending and supporting this genocide and then act surprised when more people dedicate their destroyed lives to hurting the US.
 
This is just wrong. At least show some tact. Given the overwhelming gulf in military might at least show some fucking tact.

How has no one at least told Israel to cool it a bit? Unbelievable.

The first American government to make a stand will get voted out at the next election. That's why.
 
The first American government to make a stand will get voted out at the next election. That's why.

Indeed. The key to Israel is the American president. If the American population wanted, they could stop this tomorrow.
 
I think it will end when USA care about human life more than Israel gov.....

Fuck off with this shit.

I am so sick of the US being at fault no matter what we fucking do. If we don't intervene somewhere, WHY AREN'T YOU INTERVENING.

If we do intervene somewhere, STAY OUT OF SHIT THAT ISN'T YOUR CONCERN WORLD COPS, LOLOL EMPIRE OF AMERICA LOLOL.

How about the rest of the world, EU, UN, etc. grow some spines and tell Israel to fuck off with this behavior as well?
 
This is just wrong. At least show some tact. Given the overwhelming gulf in military might at least show some fucking tact.

How has no one at least told Israel to cool it a bit? Unbelievable.
Pretty sure the entire world has at this point, not like they give a shit. And for some reason we're (USA) good chums with them for some particular reason that I can't for the life of me understand, what the fuck do we get out of this relationship exactly?
 
Fuck off with this shit.

I am so sick of the US being at fault no matter what we fucking do. If we don't intervene somewhere, WHY AREN'T YOU INTERVENING.

If we do intervene somewhere, STAY OUT OF SHIT THAT ISN'T YOUR CONCERN WORLD COPS, LOLOL EMPIRE OF AMERICA LOLOL.

How about the rest of the world, EU, UN, etc. grow some spines and tell Israel to fuck off with this behavior as well?

This is not the place to trot out this argument, as the US is already intervening, by arming Israel for free. It is precisely the reason why Israel can do this sort of mass killing with impunity.
 
Can't say I blame Israel, given the Arabs have had two major wars to get rid of them. Though that is no excuse for the current Palestinian death toll, it is disgusting to see people used as human shields by Hamas and equally disgusting to see the extremist elements inside Israel pushing for this slaughter.

Can't we all get along?
This is how "getting along" looks like http://www.ochaopt.org/reports.aspx?id=104&page=1
Random week before the current "war", 13 - 19 May 2014:
Key issues
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two Palestinian boys killed and over 60 injured in clashes with Israeli forces across the West Bank, mostly during protests commemorating what Palestinians refer to as “an nakba”.
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twenty-two structures demolished in 11 communities in area C, primarily in and around the e1 area to the east of Jerusalem.
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Despite relative calm in the Gaza strip and southern Israel, four Palestinian civilians were shot and injured by Israeli forces near the fence and another two by egyptian forces at sea.
 
Pretty sure the entire world has at this point, not like they give a shit. And for some reason we're (USA) good chums with them for some particular reason that I can't for the life of me understand, what the fuck do we get out of this relationship exactly?

Being good friends with a regional power in the Middle East is probably my guess.
 
Fuck off with this shit.

I am so sick of the US being at fault no matter what we fucking do. If we don't intervene somewhere, WHY AREN'T YOU INTERVENING.

If we do intervene somewhere, STAY OUT OF SHIT THAT ISN'T YOUR CONCERN WORLD COPS, LOLOL EMPIRE OF AMERICA LOLOL.

How about the rest of the world, EU, UN, etc. grow some spines and tell Israel to fuck off with this behavior as well?

The EU and the UN do constantly remand Israel about their behaviour; Israel just doesn't care because the EU and the UN, for the most part, aren't the ones propping them up.
 
Pretty sure the entire world has at this point, not like they give a shit. And for some reason we're (USA) good chums with them for some particular reason that I can't for the life of me understand, what the fuck do we get out of this relationship exactly?
Intelligence, making up for the holocaust, money from interest groups
 
Fuck off with this shit.

I am so sick of the US being at fault no matter what we fucking do. If we don't intervene somewhere, WHY AREN'T YOU INTERVENING.

If we do intervene somewhere, STAY OUT OF SHIT THAT ISN'T YOUR CONCERN WORLD COPS, LOLOL EMPIRE OF AMERICA LOLOL.

How about the rest of the world, EU, UN, etc. grow some spines and tell Israel to fuck off with this behavior as well?
We don't have to intervene per se, simply cutting off military aide we give Israel each year would be a great start.

Pretty sure the entire world has at this point, not like they give a shit. And for some reason we're (USA) good chums with them for some particular reason that I can't for the life of me understand, what the fuck do we get out of this relationship exactly?
Excellent real estate.
 
Fuck off with this shit.

I am so sick of the US being at fault no matter what we fucking do. If we don't intervene somewhere, WHY AREN'T YOU INTERVENING.

If we do intervene somewhere, STAY OUT OF SHIT THAT ISN'T YOUR CONCERN WORLD COPS, LOLOL EMPIRE OF AMERICA LOLOL.

How about the rest of the world, EU, UN, etc. grow some spines and tell Israel to fuck off with this behavior as well?
Err please don't equate every Middle East crisis.

The US is equally responsible for this. They fund and arm Israel and block the international community from democratically punishing Israel.

The US is like an overprotective dad who's raised a psycho son and you're trying to absolve him of responsibility.
 
Fuck off with this shit.

I am so sick of the US being at fault no matter what we fucking do. If we don't intervene somewhere, WHY AREN'T YOU INTERVENING.

If we do intervene somewhere, STAY OUT OF SHIT THAT ISN'T YOUR CONCERN WORLD COPS, LOLOL EMPIRE OF AMERICA LOLOL.

How about the rest of the world, EU, UN, etc. grow some spines and tell Israel to fuck off with this behavior as well?

We've invested tens of billions of dollars already into Israel. We're already intervening.
 
Oh, I agree with you in the sense that most of these people...probably 95% or more, are just innocent people who have nowhere to go and just want to live their lives.

But I also think that Hamas does out weapons in schools and hospitals and surround them with people knowing Israel will shoot and that will get Hamas more international support and make Israel look even worse than they generally do.

I don't doubt Hamas has done this, but I also doubt very much that every target is legitimate. The last figure I saw was 1500 targets had been hit, it's probably significantly more now. How is Israel getting that intelligence? How reliable is it?

The human shield argument is being warped to say the entire population is a target, that there are terrorists and weapons around every corner and in every home. That if you get killed you shouldn't have been there, but where do they go?

Hamas has put put some of their population at risk, but Israel is running with it knowing full well the consequences of their actions.

It's fighting terror with terror, in a grossly disproportionate way.
 
Fuck off with this shit.

I am so sick of the US being at fault no matter what we fucking do. If we don't intervene somewhere, WHY AREN'T YOU INTERVENING.

If we do intervene somewhere, STAY OUT OF SHIT THAT ISN'T YOUR CONCERN WORLD COPS, LOLOL EMPIRE OF AMERICA LOLOL.

How about the rest of the world, EU, UN, etc. grow some spines and tell Israel to fuck off with this behavior as well?

USA government fuels the war by giving Israel blank cheques of money and weapons. USA is responsible, especially when it vetoes everything at the UN in favour of Israel.

I think you should learn more about american foreign policy for the last 60 years before commenting.
 
Fuck off with this shit.

I am so sick of the US being at fault no matter what we fucking do. If we don't intervene somewhere, WHY AREN'T YOU INTERVENING.

If we do intervene somewhere, STAY OUT OF SHIT THAT ISN'T YOUR CONCERN WORLD COPS, LOLOL EMPIRE OF AMERICA LOLOL.

How about the rest of the world, EU, UN, etc. grow some spines and tell Israel to fuck off with this behavior as well?

Take a look at how many times the US has vetoed a resolution against Israel. It's by far the largest amount by any country. The world has tried to intervene, but the US keeps blocking them. Also, the billions of annual military aid doesn't help either.
 
So sad considering Israel started all of this. Their response to the killings of the Israeli teenagers was disgusting. It should have been treated as a murder investigation like it was instead of some excuse to do mass crackdowns and roundups
 
I just don't understand this. Unless you assume that EVERYONE in Gaza (women and children included) are firing rockets, why punish them all for the actions of a few?

That's exactly the way of thinking of many in the extremist wings of both sides. There's a depressingly large amount of people who would love a genocide to happen. However, only one side has the actual means to realize their dreams.
 
The "human shield" argument is straight up sociopathic. It's just designed to say that every Palestinian death is the fault of Palestinians and that Israel's massacres are merely a reflex - they can't help it - they aren't culpable. Bullshit.

Not to mention that given Gaza's incredibly tiny size and massive population density, it's pretty much not possible for Hamas to exist where there *aren't* civilians.
 
Fuck anyone involved in this conflict, how can you stand and do nothing to stop it? How? What would have to happen? Fighting terrorists doesn't excuse you from stealing someones elses land and destroying their homes systematically.

It's a fucked uo world we live in when people are more worried about elections and their own interests instead of thousands of innocent lives.

After the incident with the kids at the beach how can anyone justify these actions? What more evidence do the world needs to take actions against the Israel government.

This is worse than terrorism.
 
I just don't understand this. Unless you assume that EVERYONE in Gaza (women and children included) are firing rockets, why punish them all for the actions of a few?

Because they don't see any other option.. and militarily I think they're right.

That they refuse to look beyond a military solution is where this whole thing perpetuates itself.

I think Hamas would find a lot less support for firing rockets by civilian centers if the opposition wasn't going to kill you regardless of your support.

I've heard it be said that the Israeli lobby has more money and influence than the Palestinian lobby.

Whatever lobby for the Palestinians exists, it isn't carpet-bombing DC with tens of thousands of volunteers to lobby pro-Israel policies with every congressman every year, which is what AIPAC alone does.
 
Oh I don't know, maybe having rockets fired into their territory? Having their people live in fear? Seeing people die?

Stop trying to twist my words too, nowhere have I condoned the killing of innocents on either side or used the flimsy "shit happens in war" excuse. What I said is that they're using extreme force but that doesn't make their response right.

I'm sorry...but to be "tired" of something, it has to happen a lot. 28 Israelis killed over the course of 10 years does not warrant the killing of wayyyy more than that number in a MUCH smaller time frame. I'm not dismissing Hamas's actions just because they have killed less, civilians deaths on both sides are absolutely tragic and disgusting, but I don't understand exactly what crap Israel is " tired" of to warrant such mass killing of civilians in such a short time frame. 28 deaths spread over the course of 10 YEARS...more than that has happened today alone in Gaza. If anyone should be "tired" of being bombed and killed, it's Palestine.

I'm not twisting your words, either. You said Israel are "using extreme force to deal with this situation". What exactly does "extreme force" mean to you? They are killing innocent civilians, that's "extreme force" (something that you have said is happening due to Israel being "tired of this crap"), what else am I supposed to interpret "extreme force" as?

Also, I didn't say you condoned the killing of civilians, nor did I say you were using the "shit happens" excuse, I was simply asking what crap Israel was tired of to justify their actions. So your accusation of me twisting what your words is unwarranted.
 
So sad considering Israel started all of this. Their response to the killings of the Israeli teenagers was disgusting. It should have been treated as a murder investigation like it was instead of some excuse to do mass crackdowns and roundups

It goes up the chain chillingly fast. People sit on chairs watching planes depart for bombing runs. Cheering, lounging around in the sun, drinking beer.

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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/1...gaza-from-front-row-seats.html?_r=1&referrer=
 
No one cares about them. Think the western media gives a crap about 100 dead people in Gaza? Kill one Israeli then we have an issue.
 
I wouldn't call shared intelligence on terrorist organizations in the Middle East a sinister reason. The other two can't be defended though.
I think those NSA leaks are a pretty good indication that any "sharing" involves Israel taking what they want, feeding the US only information which is convenient and spying on the US with complete disregard for the fact their continued safety is thanks to the American taxpayer.
 
I'm not a fan of Hamas, but Israel is to blame for the latest conflict. Looking at how this situation played out, it looks like Israel wanted to escalate the situation. They wanted to discredit the newly founded unity government, of which Hamas was now a member.

I was reading this post by moeloubani on reddit. It's a long read, but I think he does a good job of summing up how this all started. He even uses Israeli sources.

via reddit said:
First of all, Hamas is no angel. In the past Hamas has done some horrible things - suicide bombings on civilian targets and launching a missile at a school bus just to name a couple. These are war crimes, illegal under international law, they serve no purpose but to make things worse for both sides and they don't help anyone at all - most of all the families of those who are affected.

But ever since November 2012, Hamas and Israel have been under a ceasefire. During that ceasefire Hamas has refrained from rocket attacks on Israel. I know what you're thinking - rockets were coming out of Gaza and landing in Israel between November 2012 and now, and that's definitely true. But these rockets didn't come from Hamas and more importantly, Hamas was trying to stop them.

Hamas deploys 600-strong force to prevent rocket fire at Israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-establishes-special-force-to-prevent-rocket-fire/#ixzz37MFA5sKO

Hamas arrests terror cell responsible for rocket fire on Israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-...ible-for-rocket-fire-on-israel/#ixzz37MFLhn3Q

An Israeli army general says Hamas is stopping attacks against Israel and even ‘keeps the peace’ when the IDF operates along the border.

http://972mag.com/head-of-idfs-gaza-command-hamas-is-the-new-policeman-in-gaza/82895/

So now that is out of the way let's look at this conflict from where it started (some will say it started with the death of 2 Palestinian teens who were shot during a protest) but I'll say it started with the kidnapping of 3 Israeli teens in the West Bank.

After those teens were kidnapped the Israeli government started rounding up Palestinians and arresting them, many of those arrested are still being held without charge. At the time Israel was saying that the operation was under way in order to find the kidnapped teens. Later on it was revealed that the Israeli government knew that the teens were dead but issued a gag order as to the evidence that would suggest that while at the same time insisting they were alive and maintaining that the operation in the West Bank was to find the kidnapped teens.

Details of the ’100′ call (the local equivalent of 911) and what investigators discovered in the car used for the kidnapping of three Israeli teens earlier this month were well known by security service heads, top ministers — and even journalists — early on in the affair; but not by the public because it was all placed and kept under a tightly held gag order. The blood found in the car, the sound of gun shots in the emergency call, evidence of live ammunition and the fact that there hasn’t been a single instance of two or more people being held hostage in the West Bank in decades – all that led to a single logical assumption: the teens were no longer alive. Yet at the same time, the Israeli public was told the teens were being held by Hamas, and a public campaign calling for their return was launched.

http://972mag.com/how-the-public-was-manipulated-into-believing-the-teens-were-alive/92865/

As this all happened, Israel's government was blaming Hamas for the kidnapping of the teens - despite showing no evidence to support that claim.

As far as is known, the Hamas leadership in Gaza was not part of the chain of command behind the abduction, carried out by a Hamas cell from Hebron on July 12.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.603889

But despite all of this, Hamas didn't react. They continued trying to stop the rocket attacks on Israel and were hoping that the unity government that was just set up would give them a diplomatic way to deal with the prisoners.

Keep in mind that while these attacks didn't come from Hamas (Hamas takes responsibility for their attacks, they denied involvement in the ones preceding the Israeli retaliation) Israel would always strike Hamas targets in retaliation.

Then came the straw that broke the camel's back, at least for Hamas:

Hamas has had no interest in a major escalation, and had not been directly attacking Israel until the last few days. But ever since one of its members, Mohammed Obeid, was killed in an Israeli border attack at the end of last month — an apparent error: the IDF thought it was firing at a rocket-launch cell, but actually struck Hamas members deployed to prevent rocket fire — it has changed its approach.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-smells-israels-fear-of-escalation-and-so-the-rockets-keep-coming/

One of their members was killed by Israel while trying to stop rocket attacks on Israel. For the first time, Hamas started firing rockets back at Israel and took full responsibility for firing those rockets.

And so it goes now where the two sides are fighting back and forth.

The claims of 'human shields' from Israel are ridiculous - the homes they are hitting aren't legitimate military targets. That means the homes they are hitting are like your home or my home, the only reason they are giving to attack those homes is that there are members of Hamas who live there. This is a war crime.

Since the Israeli military launched Operation Protective Edge in the early hours of 8 July 2014, the IDF Spokesperson and media sources have reported deliberate attacks against the homes of senior activists in armed Palestinian groups. The IDF Spokesperson reported that 11 such homes were attacked. According to media reports, the defense establishment intends to continue attacking the homes of senior Hamas activists. The reports state that the bombings are being carried out with the “knock on the roof” procedure, whereby the military fires a small missile at the house it intends to bomb as warning, expecting inhabitants to leave the premises, and then bombs the house to destruction. In some cases, military representative call the family and instruct them to evacuate the house.

Even if uninvolved civilians are not injured, these houses are not legitimate military targets, and attacking them is a grave violation of international humanitarian law. The gravity of the violation is compounded when uninvolved civilians are injured. Until now, B’Tselem has documented one case in which civilians were in a house bombed after a prior warning missile was fired:

http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20140709_bobming_of_houses_in_gaza
 
This is how "getting along" looks like http://www.ochaopt.org/reports.aspx?id=104&page=1
Random week before the current "war", 13 - 19 May 2014:
Key issues
●
two Palestinian boys killed and over 60 injured in clashes with Israeli forces across the West Bank, mostly during protests commemorating what Palestinians refer to as “an nakba”.
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twenty-two structures demolished in 11 communities in area C, primarily in and around the e1 area to the east of Jerusalem.
●
Despite relative calm in the Gaza strip and southern Israel, four Palestinian civilians were shot and injured by Israeli forces near the fence and another two by egyptian forces at sea.
I wouldn't call that getting along, what would you suggest then?
 
So sad considering Israel started all of this. Their response to the killings of the Israeli teenagers was disgusting. It should have been treated as a murder investigation like it was instead of some excuse to do mass crackdowns and roundups

Wasn't the killing of the Israeli teenagers the start?
 
Because they don't see any other option.. and militarily I think they're right.

That they refuse to look beyond a military solution is where this whole thing perpetuates itself.

I think Hamas would find a lot less support for firing rockets by civilian centers if the opposition wasn't going to kill you regardless of your support.

Right on the money here.

People in Gaza are getting hurt because their leadership puts them in harms way, acting as human shield to their cowardly leaders. They are being brainwashed to believe that the only way they'll get their land is by being aggressive and to kill as many jews as possible.

Israel can't allow missiles flying over to their cities but they can't stop it without shooting into heavily populated areas, killing civilians. Civilians who will grow up into terrorists who believe the only way is the violent way. And so on.

It's bloody, vicious, and cynical cycle of hate and suffering.
 
Without a doubt this is comparable with Hitler's genocide.

In the sense that you can compare two things that are extremely goddamn different but not 100% dissimilar, sure. If by "comparable with" you mean "basically the same" then no, not really. Israel's being absolutely monstrous here but you're (a) opting for analogy over an informed understanding of the concrete details of this particular situation and (b) doing nothing to help the conversation. Being as uninformed and as incendiary as possible is just going to distract everyone in the thread.
 
I'm sorry...but to be "tired" of something, it has to happen a lot. 28 Israelis killed over the course of 10 years does not warrant the killing of wayyyy more than that number in a MUCH smaller time frame. I'm not dismissing Hamas's actions just because they have killed less, civilians deaths on both sides are absolutely tragic and disgusting, but I don't understand exactly what crap Israel is " tired" of to warrant such mass killing of civilians in such a short time frame. 28 deaths spread over the course of 10 YEARS...more than that has happened today alone in Gaza. If anyone should be "tired" of being bombed and killed, it's Palestine.

I'm not twisting your words, either. You said Israel are "using extreme force to deal with this situation". What exactly does "extreme force" mean to you? They are killing innocent civilians, that's "extreme force" (something that you have said is happening due to Israel being "tired of this crap"), what else am I supposed to interpret "extreme force" as?

Also, I didn't say you condoned the killing of civilians, nor did I say you were using the "shit happens" excuse, I was simply asking what crap Israel was tired of to justify their actions. So your accusation of me twisting what your words is unwarranted.

If you're incapable of seeing what Israel is tired of dealing with, especially when it comes to a terrorist organization who wants every last Jew dead, then I don't know what to say.

And yes, you have attempted to twist my words and make it seem like I don't give a shit the Israeli's are killing innocent people. I said Israel is using deadly force because they're tired of rockets being fired into their territory by an organization that wants to wipe them off the planet, but that doesn't make their response proportional or right. What the hell do you think that means? I don't think they're killing indiscriminately on purpose and some of the nazi comparisons in here are gross. Yes, civilians are being killed, no, I do not support this action from EITHER side. How much clearer do I need to make my position on this?
 
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/07/world/meast/mideast-tensions-qa/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

What started this new wave of violence?

The violence certainly had not gone away, with rocket attacks from Gaza and Israeli military incursions in the West Bank regular occurrences. But last month's abduction of three Israeli teens who were on their way home from school in the West Bank brought the tensions to a fever pitch. Israelis waited with bated breath, hoping for word that they were alive.

When the bodies of Eyal Yifrach, Gilad Shaar and Naftali Frankel -- a dual Israeli-American citizen -- were found on June 30, the country was grief-stricken. The Israeli government blamed Hamas, which denied responsibility but praised the abductions. Israel carried out arrests and demolished homes of the suspects in the West Bank, and launched airstrikes against targets in Gaza that are used to lob rockets into Israel. Palestinians stepped up rocket attacks and clashed with Israeli troops.

Wow so there was a reaction to that? Seems silly, it was just another government praising the abduction and murder of some teenagers.

And apparently a lot more bullshit going on there too with people on both sides killing each other.

So I would assume while it may be stupid for the IDF to take the bait, and the form of retaliation unacceptable, public opinion must be calling for the government to "do something"

But this will keep on going, because HAMAS has no interest in settling it, save for a complete victory. And Israel is not going to just pack their bags. Two state solution? I'll believe it when I see it.
 
Without a doubt this is comparable with Hitler's genocide.

Really?!

Explain how this is comparable to systematically loading people on trains like cattle, removing all valuables from them (including gold teeth) for profit, coaxing them into gas "showers" to kill them and then ordering the able bodied survivors to bury the bodies in mass graves, before shooting them in the head.
 
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