They don't need to. America supports it. They don't need anything other than that.
2014 Israel-Gaza Conflict [UN: 1,525+ Palestinian dead, mostly civilian; 66 Israeli]
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They don't need to. America supports it. They don't need anything other than that.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121842076&postcount=192
^^ I wasn't fast in editing the post lol
njean777
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Neither side is worth defending tbh, both sides would eradicate each other if they could. Not defending Israel, but that is the honest truth. Why Israel was put right in the middle of Islamic territory is beyond me.
Every once in a while I see something that makes me fucking hate sharing this world with certain people.
This is one of those times.
Garbage is too kind a word for these 'people'.
Summer Haze
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The land was theirs because *insert religious bollocks*.
This is way pass the point of being naive. You are just pure delusional.
Summer Haze
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How can the knowingly target children playing on a beach and then create flyers with a message to civilians saying "we don't want to harm you"?
I bet if you were to ask the vast majority of people on both sides of the fence, they would say they wish they could just get on with their lives in peace. I hate it when the words of the few are spun into the words of the majority.
I bet if you were to ask the vast majority of people on both sides of the fence, they would say they wish they could just get on with their lives in peace. I hate it when the words of the few are spun into the words of the majority.
People usually radicalise for a reason.
If a supremely powerful alien force funded and armed Canada, who then blockaded the US (thus destroying the economy and preventing any quality of life) and started stealing US land, do you think Americans wouldn't have their own Hamas? You think all those gun nuts in the south wouldn't grab whatever weapons they could find and start firing shit into Ottawa? Hell, once it was all over, there would be Hollywood movies about them.
Do I agree with firing rockets (even weak ones) at civilian areas in Israel? No. But Hamas do not want the Israeli people to forget the awful conditions Palestinians are having to live in thanks to their elected government. If you want to turn a country into an open-air prison, don't think the inmates aren't going to remind you what it's been like for them over the decades.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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I don't know how people still can defend this Israeli aggression. You are either batshit insane, or you have no soul.
This is exactly why I said that other articles should've been added too.
First of all: Not "every" Israeli is hating arabs. But there is a visibly trend of hatred and down looking on arabs. Which is what the posting of this twitter messages wanted to show. Of course there is more to it. But I am sure someone can probide you with some juicy examples
njean777
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TBH the same can be said for arabs hating jews, it isn't very relevant. They both hate each other.
No. But the narrative has turned into this fight of good vs evil wherein Israel is forever morally righteous and all their acts justified. They're yelling self defense while killing children, women and unarmed citizens on the one hand and receiving billions of dollars in military support on the other. It's hard not to sympathize with the other side when the fight is this one sided.
Yeah i remember But these ppl have the power to stop this war by making the Israel gov stop the settlement and accept the 2 stat solution.....
The greatest irony of the American support is that if Israel occuppied American soil the Americans would bomb Israel without hesitation, would veto calls for an Israeli state, Israel would be a rogue state.
It's relevant because of this:
The point the poster of the tweets wanted to make was - as far as i understood - that Israel wouldn't stop to harass, bully and kill palestini, even without the Hamas.
Yes they have And I am not defending them or liking what they're writing. My point was to remind the poster that this twitter posts alone would be a weak argument for anything. To strenghen the arguments against Pro-Israeli Gaffers he should add other stuff, too.
GameAddict411
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it baffles me why some people can't understand this, they're being oppressed everyday of their lives and people want them to shut up and take it?
Arrowgigantic
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Let's get one thing straight, Hamas does not use human shields.
Because the way a human shield works is, they are kept alive because the person in front of the shield won't kill them. That's not what's happening here.
Because the way a human shield works is, they are kept alive because the person in front of the shield won't kill them. That's not what's happening here.
njean777
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Well I don't follow that narrative. Both sides are terrible and need to start talking to each other and stop killing. At the same time I am not going to ignore that Hamas is just as bad and would be if they had the means.
Smiles and Cries
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Maybe they would have an easier time with keeping the resistance away from innocents if Israel gave them some of their land back...
It's really a no-win situation for Palestine:
They can't not have a resistance, as they will lose land.
They can't have a resistance, as it is used as an excuse to kill both resisters, and innocents.
eot
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One side is a terrorist group, while the other is a supposedly civilised state. We should be able to expect more from the latter.
The IDF has dropped 400 tonnes of bombs according to Israeli officials.
Kenshin001
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Yes I know that and radical Islamic groups find any reason, ISIS, Boko Haram, Abu Sayyaf etc.
Wish people would stop using the US and Canada as examples. The US and Canada were founded on an occupying force building settlements and displacing the locals from their land. If the locals resisted they were massacred. That land is still occupied, it was never given back and the decimated displaced people now live in squalor. Americans and Canadians, Australians too, need to remember that.
I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just suggesting an alternative to Israel killing everyone. Israel has its enemies in a barrel and they are shooting indiscriminately. It's time to give up and do what they can to appease Israel because NO ONE IS COMING TO HELP.
For the millionth time, Israel is a nasty mother fucker and it's not supporting Israel by suggesting the Palestinians do whatever they can to survive. It's just the only alternative because no one cares enough to get involved.
Are they not supposed to defend themselves? Israel is an infinitely more powerful force, if only because of its allies. Peace talks are completely up to Israel since they have all the power and could drag this conflict out into the next century if they don't get their way.
Pollux
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Your logic makes no fucking sense. If I'm trying to shoot you, and you grab someone and put them in front of you....that's a human shield. If I shoot then that makes them a dead human shield.
They're still a human shield and it doesn't matter if they're alive or if I've killed them.
If Hamas is putting or convincing people to stand around weapons to deter Israel from shooting, they're human shields.
Gucci Messiah
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Reading through this thread you would think Hamas is blameless and that Israel is committing genocide
That's what you got from this thread? OK then.
If your reading comprehension is horrible maybe.
jakonovski
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You do realize that things like social psychology and group dynamics exist in this world? It is impossible for Palestinians as a whole to stop lashing out, because it would entail ceasing to be human.
Then they will die. Israel isn't going to stop and no one is going to tell them to stop.
Arrowgigantic
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But if I know you're going to shoot anyway, that doesn't make any sense.
I don't think all these families and their children getting killed are being used, I think they have nowhere to go. It's a strip of land, it is literally called the Gaza Strip. It is 32 miles long and 7 miles wide. Where can you go?
jakonovski
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I agree that they will all be killed eventually unless the world does something. Don't say that isn't possible though, the world is not finished.
Gucci Messiah
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From some of the comments? Yes, that is exactly what I've seen. Are you going to jump down my throat for sharing an opinion you don't agree with? I didn't even say anything remotely inflammatory.
Great personal attack there
I don't mean to imply that they're blameless if you read my comments. I just think this fight is incredibly tilted towards Israel's favor.
I was just following your lead.
Gucci Messiah
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Sorry, I was making a general comment, not calling anyone out specifically. I think both sides are to blame but this thread is incredibly pro-Hamas, it's to the point that some posters are incapable of assigning blame to a terrorist organization who likes to fire rockets at Israeli civilians and kill their women/children too. I just think Israel is tired of this nonsense and is using extreme force to deal with it. That doesn't make it right, but you have to look at both sides of the coin.
So I make a general comment without quoting or calling anyone out and I'm flinging personal attacks? You can't possibly believe what you type. People like you make these threads such a pain to post in, I've been hesitant to comment because I know there's a few bad apples who will attack anyone who doesn't share their viewpoint.
Pollux
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Oh, I agree with you in the sense that most of these people...probably 95% or more, are just innocent people who have nowhere to go and just want to live their lives.
But I also think that Hamas does out weapons in schools and hospitals and surround them with people knowing Israel will shoot and that will get Hamas more international support and make Israel look even worse than they generally do.
Pro-Hamas?
The Israel-Palestine conflict has been sixty plus years of horrific relations and lots of bad blood. The state of Israel has been fraught with conflict since its inception. When Israel began a ground invasion of Gaza, there was never going to be any other outcome than lots of dead people.
I honestly can not see a peaceful resolution to this. The United Nations created the conflict and has tried to wash their hands of it ever since. It would take a united mandate if there was any hope of a resolution that didn't involve the complete annihilation of one side but the UN will never have the power to do it even if it had the desire.
I honestly can not see a peaceful resolution to this. The United Nations created the conflict and has tried to wash their hands of it ever since. It would take a united mandate if there was any hope of a resolution that didn't involve the complete annihilation of one side but the UN will never have the power to do it even if it had the desire.
Arrowgigantic
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Just another way to present the scale of the situation: Gaza is so small and thin that you could space out two howitzers and be able to fire a shell onto any point within its area. Just two. They wouldn't even have to be on the border. How do you "evacuate" from that?
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There has not been a single pro-Hamas poster in this thread to my knowledge. If you can find a post in which people directly endorse the actions of Hamas, please quote it and bring it to my attention. Otherwise, you are lying to create a false equivalency.
I really wish the fighting would just stop. I was hoping for a peaceful resolution, but Hamas wouldn't stop firing rockets and then Israel started it's ground invasion. The whole situation's a mess. But, like I said, one side is just so much more heavily armed and has so much more support that it's hard to look at both of them the same way. It's hard to defend the actions of either country for sure, but in this country Israel is seen as untouchable. They beat up an American citizen to near death and our politicians even then didn't say anything negative.
Vivalaraza
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That's essentially the basis on which people begin their defence of Israels actions, so no surprise.
I can't see a person claiming otherwise.
If people would watch a real documentation about jerusalem, people would see that it's the highly orthodox jews and a couple jewish nationalists that don't to live in harmony with the others. Similar to most other nations I would say.
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