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[Bowser]

That trade isn't valid. you've got $30+ million in contracts going to the cavs and only $13-some million going to the wolves (not including rookie contracts)

It works if you throw Haywood's $2.2m into the deal. Not including rookie contracts, you've got $15.7m going out to the Cavs and $11.3 come to Minny.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=odogp22

 

[cacophony]

Cavs Not Willing to Include Wiggins in Kevin Love Trade Offer

Cavs Now Willing to Include Wiggins in Kevin Love Trade Offer

 

[Gonzalez]

Cavs Not Willing to Include Wiggins in Kevin Love Trade Offer

Cavs Now Willing to Include Wiggins in Kevin Love Trade Offer

If they end up keeping Wiggins, then LeBron will do his best to make sure nobody sees this ever again.

 

[BadAss2961]

Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN
LeBron intrigued w/Andrew Wiggins' potential but has made clear to Cavs he wants to compete for title now. Going after Love fits message

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2m
LeBron James has reached out tell Kevin Love of his desire for them to play together with the Cavaliers, front office sources tell Yahoo.

lol. what a dick.

 

[Bread]

lol. what a dick.

Damn breh you salty!?!?!?! So much salt pouring out of your post I'm about to season my steak with it nah mean? Because you are salty.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

lol. what a dick.

He can't do it alone, he made that perfectly clear.

 

[Gonzalez]

He can't do it alone, he made that perfectly clear.

I thought he was willing to wait.

 

[BadAss2961]

Damn breh you salty!?!?!?! So much salt pouring out of your post I'm about to season my steak with it nah mean? Because you are salty.

Salty? I'm feeling pretty sweet after all that's happened in the past month.

I really don't care if they get Love, at least not anymore. I'd like to root for Wiggins.

I thought he was willing to wait.

In it for the long haul as the 'old head' to help these young guys reach great heights they never thought was possible and whatnot.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I thought he was willing to wait.

Dude's a starchaser, you all should know that by now.

If anyone should be insulted, it should be Kyrie Irving.

 

[PBY]

If lebron wanted to chip he shoulda stayed in Mia for one more year.

Poor wiggz. Ima buy his t wolves jersey.

 

[Bread]

If lebron wanted to chip he shoulda stayed in Mia for one more year.

Poor wiggz. Ima buy his t wolves jersey.

Lol no way the heat could have have improved enough to beat the top teams in the west.


LeBron made a decision for his future, and it helped with his public image. He made the right choice.

 

[PBY]

Lol no way the heat could have have improved enough to beat the top teams in the west.


LeBron made a decision for his future, and it helped with his public image. He made the right choice.

I agree.

But he says he wants to win now tho.

 

[Officerrob]

They can't. Also LeBron with this short contract. Trading Wiggins is a bad idea.

I think Wiggins is potentially a LOT better than Love.. and I like Love... he's a guy from my state.. but I don't think they need Love.

If the Cavs end up trading Bennett/Wiggins/Waiters for Love.. that's just stupid.. LeBron is your great "right now".. but Wiggins could be your next 10 years.

Love is a top 5 player in the league right now and is only 25 years old, you trade Wiggins for him.

 

[zychi]

Salty? I'm feeling pretty sweet after all that's happened in the past month.

I really don't care if they get Love, at least not anymore. I'd like to root for Wiggins.

In it for the long haul as the 'old head' to help these young guys reach great heights they never thought was possible and whatnot.

No matter what Cle does with Wiggins, they still have to teach Kyrie and Love defense, and Wiggins how to score.

I can't wait when its 2015 and Lebron is frustrated from all the losing.

 

[BadAss2961]

Dude's a starchaser, you all should know that by now.

If anyone should be insulted, it should be Kyrie Irving.

So lame to see the league's best player act this way. All the backstabbing and on-the-low recruiting to chase rings. Dude refuses to just play the damn game even with a pretty good supporting cast.

This Wiggins thing is foul.

No matter what Cle does with Wiggins, they still have to teach Kyrie and Love defense, and Wiggins how to score.

I can't wait when its 2015 and Lebron is frustrated from all the losing.

I totally agree, which is why i'm not even sweating it anymore.

I like Chicago's hand going into next season.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

So lame to see the league's best player act this way. All the backstabbing and on-the-low recruiting to chase rings. Dude refuses to just play the damn game even with a pretty good supporting cast.

This Wiggins thing is foul.

Well, sources say the Cavaliers still aren't trading Wiggins despite these rumors but we will see how much LeBron runs that team.

 

[Tom Penny]

It's too bad Spurs couldn't land Gasol. It wouldn't matter what anybody does. They would have bodied them all with ease.

 

[PBY]

Well, sources say the Cavaliers still aren't trading Wiggins despite these rumors but we will see how much LeBron runs that team.

Maverick and rich paul running the ship now


1 year opt out will do that.

 

[LyleLanley]

Warriors now willing to give up Klay Thompson for Kevin Love, who would exercise option for '15-16 if traded there http://t.co/ZH8p0I3PsH

Looks like the Timberwolves might actually come away with something decent from this.

 

[Iamwolfthing]

Looks like the Timberwolves might actually come away with something decent from this.

Now I'm getting anxious. I know giving up Klay for Love makes sense on paper, but I'm worried it's going to fuck up team chemistry.

 

[FullMetalx117]

Maybe Lebron is scared Wiggins might become the Aplha on the team? Can't have that...

 

[PBY]

Now I'm getting anxious. I know giving up Klay for Love makes sense on paper, but I'm worried it's going to fuck up team chemistry.

Chemistry mostly bullshit. What did that chemistry get you last year?

Also- you want to pay Klay the max? Bc that's what's coming.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Chemistry mostly bullshit. What did that chemistry get you last year?

What did it get the Spurs???

I'm maybe thinking about a different "chemistry" than you are though.

 

[PBY]

What did it get the Spurs???

Nothing?

The spurs had great players in a great scheme

 

[Iamwolfthing]

Chemistry mostly bullshit. What did that chemistry get you last year?

Also- you want to pay Klay the max? Bc that's what's coming.

If Lance is only getting 9 mil would Klay really get max?

 

[zychi]

This is what I hope happens, Love gets traded to Cle, Cle trades all the rumored guys + Wiggins in a three trade deal, where Wiggins ends up anywhere but Minny.

Then Love doesn't extend because "Lebron didn't do it" goes to a California team. I don't care if it's the Lakers, Clips or GS. Just as long as the dude goes to his home state.

 

[CreepingFear]

This is what I hope happens, Love gets traded to Cle, Cle trades all the rumored guys + Wiggins in a three trade deal, where Wiggins ends up anywhere but Minny.

Then Love doesn't extend because "Lebron didn't do it" goes to a California team. I don't care if it's the Lakers, Clips or GS. Just as long as the dude goes to his home state.

How about this one? Love is the loser everyone says he is with his bad defense and all and Lebron is stuck championship less on Cleveland with him for the rest of his career.

 

[Lambtron]

Oh god dammit, now the Dubs are offering Klay? Fuck. I'd hoped they'd hold out to save Flip from himself. I don't want the Wolves to give Klay the max. I don't want the Wolves to pay David fucking Lee $15 million a year. I don't want to watch Love hang 50 on the Wolves four times a year for the next half decade.

Do the Cleveland deal, Flip. Shit, it might even convince me to buy LP to watch Love play next to Bron.

Love is the loser everyone says he is.

Oh man, I love this particular talking point. Have these people seen the fucking trash that has played on the court with Love? And last year, when they actually had 5 NBA caliber players, the difference between when Love was on the court and when he was off? He's been in a fuck awful situation. He's going to continue to be Kevin Love on another team, but people are going to act like he's somehow better since... the team wins more. Being on an NBA caliber roster will help his image immensely.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Just as long as the dude goes to his home state.

Portland already has a power forward, though.

 

[GaimeGuy]

This is what I hope happens, Love gets traded to Cle, Cle trades all the rumored guys + Wiggins in a three trade deal, where Wiggins ends up anywhere but Minny.

Then Love doesn't extend because "Lebron didn't do it" goes to a California team. I don't care if it's the Lakers, Clips or GS. Just as long as the dude goes to his home state.

What about the Kings?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

How about this one? Love is the loser everyone says he is with his bad defense and all and Lebron is stuck championship less on Cleveland with him for the rest of his career.

I could se that happening.

People still think you win on paper.

The Heat should have won 1 championship but while they looked good on paper and actually succeeded(all those consecutive Finals visits), it's not that easy.

Plus, I think their defense and defensive scheme played a big role in it.

Linda Cohn was shocked that PJ Carlisemo had the Bulls being the best in a more competitive East now.

Shocked.

I thought she has been in sports long enough to know better than to agree with Vegas.

 

[PBY]

If Lance is only getting 9 mil would Klay really get max?

10000%. Yes.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

10000%. Yes.

Eric Bledsoe/his agent want 90 million.

This league is out of control.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I could se that happening.

People still think you win on paper.

The Heat should have won 1 championship but while they looked good on paper and actually succeeded(all those consecutive Finals visits), it's not that easy.

Plus, I think their defense and defensive scheme played a big role in it.

Linda Cohn was shocked that PJ Carlisemo had the Bulls being the best in a more competitive East now.

Shocked.

I thought she has been in sports long enough to know better than to agree with Vegas.

Heat were lucky to have 1 championship, never mind 2. With their salary cap situation they should have had a bench like the Lakers'. They had no business having any depth

 

[PBY]

Eric Bledsoe/his agent want 90 million.

This league is out of control.

You'd think.


I'm guessing people think the TV deal is gonna significantly bump up the cap and people want to protect themselves if they're taking longer deals.

 

[Omega]

They can't. Also LeBron with this short contract. Trading Wiggins is a bad idea.

I think Wiggins is potentially a LOT better than Love.. and I like Love... he's a guy from my state.. but I don't think they need Love.

If the Cavs end up trading Bennett/Wiggins/Waiters for Love.. that's just stupid.. LeBron is your great "right now".. but Wiggins could be your next 10 years.

as good as Wiggins may be, you don't ignore what Kevin Love does for you right now.

Wiggins can be the next T-Mac. An unreal talent with a short career due to injury. He can also end up being a Darius Miles or some shit..

Not to mention if you trade him, you don't have to worry about regrets. Minnesota will do nothing for him. He won't learn or develop so its not like he'll be leading Minnesota to a Finals in the future with multiple MVPs

 

[phanphare]

when does the season's schedule come out? fuck football season

Spoiler

kidding

, I can't wait to be inside the arena for the first Charlotte Hornets home game in years. sooooo good!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds5_z9xWRhY;t=8m54s

ALIVE AT THE HIVE BITCHES!!!

 

[fertygo]

Eric Rosenthal wrote:Trusted reporter @SamAmicoFSO disputes that Cavs have agreed to part with Wiggins. Trying to learn more on the situation.

Eh..

 

[Lexxism]

ROFL. Read it wrong

 

[Xplatformer]

Chemistry mostly bullshit. What did that chemistry get you last year?

Also- you want to pay Klay the max? Bc that's what's coming.

If by MAX you mean 15 million....sure, he's worth it.

You must have not seen much Warrior basketball over the last two years.

 

[fertygo]

If by MAX you mean 15 million....sure, he's worth it.

You must have not seen much Warrior basketball over the last two years.

I'd say most people that not biased wouldn't say that.

 

[Xplatformer]

I'd say most people that not biased wouldn't say that.

You mean the uninformed. OK.

He doesn't just shoot threes, either. He is an excellent high-post player, a knockdown mid-range shooter and is improving as a driver and finisher.

While he still needs work in that final aspect of his scoring repertoire to become an All-Star, the rapid growth he displayed in that area last season points to him making that leap as soon as this upcoming year. He made huge strides as a ball-handler and as a creator on the pick-and-roll this past season as well.

He is only 24. He possesses an incredible work ethic and has all the physical tools to become an all-around offensive monster.

Then there's his defense. If you want to dismiss these projected offensive improvements as ways of inflating Thompson's worth, look only to his progression as a defender to realize that these projections make sense.

When Thompson came into the league, he was a poor defender. He had the potential to be a great one—height, length, sneaky athleticism, competitiveness and work ethic—but he wasn't there.

Three years later, Thompson is one of the better perimeter defenders in the entire association.

He absolutely stifles opposing point guards. He might not be as quick as they are, but he combines superior length and decent quickness to keep them in front of him. With so many great shooting point guards in the NBA today, taking away the drive is not sufficient, but that's where Thompson really shines—he eats airspace for dinner.

He might come off as mild mannered, but Thompson is a nasty basketball player. He gets in his guy's face. He pushes him around. He makes ball-handlers extremely uncomfortable. He gets so close that, yes, he does get beaten off the dribble at times, but he has the ability to recover with his long, efficient strides, relentless physicality and terrific wingspan. He is a tremendous shot-blocker from behind.

It's one thing to be able to impact the game the way Thompson does offensively. It's another to leave a defensive stamp on the action as he does nightly. When a player does both, however, he's really doing so much more.

The reason for this is simple: You can only have five players on the court at once.

The NBA is full of specialists. There are defensive stoppers like Tony Allen, Patrick Beverley and Thabo Sefolosha. There are offensive specialists like Kevin Martin, Jamal Crawford and J.R. Smith.

Notice how all of the players listed above have been used either as sixth men or as the guy who subs out for a sixth man. This is no coincidence; players who play defense extremely well and offense poorly need scorers to back them up. The inverse is true for for scorers who can't guard.

Pairing players like this works fairly well. The Rockets did so with Beverley and Jeremy Lin. The Memphis Grizzlies spelled Tony Allen with Courtney Lee. A good coach knows when he needs defense and when he needs offense. He will play his stopper and his scorer with the right players to cover up their respective weaknesses. It can be done.

There's a limit to the success of these pairings, though. No matter what, the Grizzlies offense will suffer with Allen on the floor. Defenses can sag off him, hide their weakest defender, put additional pressure elsewhere and adjust their lineups accordingly.

With Lee at shooting guard, Memphis will have a weak link defensively. Opponents can post him up, get into the lane, wreak havoc on the bigs and force the Grizzlies to take him out of the game or hide him, thus forcing key players like Mike Conley to guard bigger, faster wings.

With Thompson, the Warriors do not have that problem. On the contrary, having a two-way player creates all kinds of options for Golden State and problems for its opponents.

 

[PBY]

You mean uninformed. OK.

Okay.

I mean. Yes. It's his fair market value. And he plays good defense/shoots well.

But are you chipping w/that guy locked in as your number 2 to curry?


Wait. Did you just link an article that highlights his statistical deficiencies? Ooookayyy

 

[Xplatformer]

Okay.

I mean. Yes. It's his fair market value. And he plays good defense/shoots well.

But are you chipping w/that guy locked in as your number 2 to curry?


Wait. Did you just link an article that highlights his statistical deficiencies? Ooookayyy

You do know the Mavericks won a chip with Dirk, Jason Terry and Tyson Chandler as the core right?

Yeah, if Bogut is healthy and the Warriors have at least a competent backup center, then yeah...the Warriors can chip with Klay as the #2 shooting guard. He's fricken 24. You guys act like he's not going to get better.

Wait. Did you just link an article that highlights his statistical deficiencies? Ooookayyy

Read the fucking article before you make flippant comments about it.

Steph Curry
Klay Thompson
Andre Igoudala
David Lee
Andrew Bogut

Shaun Livingston
Brandon Rush (god I hope he's healthy)
Draymond Green
Harrison Barnes
Festus Ezeli

Now, the bench..nobody knows about, but if that starting five can be healthy for a playoff run, why the hell wouldn't they be able to contend. Defense and scoring. It's right there.

 

[chicagocubsfan]

Bulls going after Aaron Brooks. I like it.

 

[PBY]

You do know the Mavericks won a chip with Dirk, Jason Terry and Tyson Chandler as the core right?

Yeah, if Bogut is healthy and the Warriors have at least a competent backup center, then yeah...the Warriors can chip with Klay as the #2 shooting guard. He's fricken 24. You guys act like he's not going to get better.



Read the fucking article before you make flippant comments about it.

I did read it. Still not a fan. Reasonable people can disagree on this.

 

[Xplatformer]

I did read it. Still not a fan. Reasonable people can disagree on this.

I agree. I'm not saying I don't see the value in trading Kevin Love for David Lee. One is obviously better than the other.

I think the Warriors are giving up too much for Kevin Love.

We can agree to disagree about Klay's value to the Warriors.

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

Honestly, i want GS to take Love just to see the awkwardness of that Cleveland locker room after Lebron made it known that wiggins is disposable. Plus, I don't want him having it easy in the east because I want my Miami Raptors to come out of the post lebron era ahead of Cleveland, hah.

 

[Kydd BlaZe]

Looks like the Timberwolves might actually come away with something decent from this.

Nooooo

Don't break up the Splash Bros

 

[Kydd BlaZe]

Bulls going after Aaron Brooks. I like it.

They should be going after Jameer Nelson, imo.