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[Kokoloko85]

No

Waa
LG C9 /CX it is then

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Sony hasn't added Dolby Vision yet. I can't buy a TV in 2020 if it doesn't have that feature. I rather go LCD but samsung and Sony are forcing me to get the LG CX if they're not going to support Dolby Vision .

My 20164K HDR Sony XD70 (X700D) has Dolby Vision. You're mixing it with Samsung, I guess.

 

[FlyyGOD]

Huh? I watch Dolby Vision content all the time on this very TV. Disney+ DV Light or Dark modes.

https://www.sony.com/electronics/televisions/xbr-x900h-series

Does it do Dolby vison 120 hz or VRR?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Does it do Dolby vison 120 hz?

Yes. Especially after the new firmware. 4K/120hz.

 

[FlyyGOD]

Yes. Especially after the new firmware. 4K/120hz.

Are they implementing VRR in the future? I would go Sony and avoid a oled if thats the case.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Are they implementing VRR in the future?

Yes. Along with ALL and eARC. Probably when the PS5 launches or shortly after.

 

[Venuspower]

Yes. Especially after the new firmware. 4K/120hz.

No it does not according to Vincent Teoh (2:55):




You have to chose between Dolby Vision or 4K@120.

 

[DeepEnigma]

No it does not according to Vincent Teoh (2:55):




You have to chose between Dolby Vision or 4K@120.

That’s through the HDMI, what about apps where that isn’t needed?

 

[Venuspower]

That’s through the HDMI, what about apps where that isn’t needed?

There should not be any problems when using internal Apps.

 

[NewYork214]

Yesssss. Do this when I get home. Was honestly kinda nervous with them not launching with the hdmi 2.1 support, that it wouldn't be ready in time for ps5

 

[Jaxx_377]

I've been waiting to pick up a new 55" TV and I have been trying to decide between this, the Q90t or the New Vizio OLED if anyone reputable actully reviews the darn thing so I can see if its worth it. Anyone here have any preferences. Its either one of these or wait a year.

 

[Allandor]

Update still not available here (Germany). Just a security update was installed in the last 2 days. And with it a few more unwanted apps. Now the memory is almost full.
I really hope that the upcoming update releases some of the memory.

 

[Mokus]

Update still not available here (Germany). Just a security update was installed in the last 2 days. And with it a few more unwanted apps. Now the memory is almost full.
I really hope that the upcoming update releases some of the memory.

I did get the update as soon was available. Maybe something went wrong in your case... You know that you have to activate it manually...?

 

[T_LVPL]

I actually disagree with the general online narrative that now’s the time to be buying a new TV. I’m giving it a few years, because there doesn’t seem to be a perfect TV right now which covers every base, and is completely future proof for this upcoming console generation.

I just bought my first 4k TV at the start of 2019, i’m really happy with it and there will be barely any 120htz games in the coming year or 2 at least. so i’ll be giving it a few more years before upgrading to a TV fully optimised for the PS5. Also pay half what i’d be paying right now.

 

[Calverz]

I actually disagree with the general online narrative that now’s the time to be buying a new TV. I’m giving it a few years, because there doesn’t seem to be a perfect TV right now which covers every base, and is completely future proof for this upcoming console generation.

I just bought my first 4k TV at the start of 2019, i’m really happy with it and there will be barely any 120htz games in the coming year or 2 at least. so i’ll be giving it a few more years before upgrading to a TV fully optimised for the PS5. Also pay half what i’d be paying right now.

Dude Dirt 5 is a launch title with a 120hz mode. Lots of games will follow suit offering 120hz modes. Gears 5 multiplayer and halo inifnite will have 120hz multiplayer. Cod black ops cold war will. Im sorry but you should have waited another 18months before pulling the trigger.

 

[Malakhov]

VRR is also ready and coming

Sony said that VRR (Variable Refresh Rate) and ALLM (Auto Low Latency Mode), which are two optional HDMI 2.1 features, will be enabled on X900H (XH90) with a later update as soon as VRR and ALLM have been formally certified by an HDMI test center.

 

[KURDISTAN YPG]

so did it roll out in america yet?

 

[nowifenolife]

HDMI 2.1 isn't required for VRR.

That's why my recent TV purchase doesn't have HDMI 2.1 but has most of the other features other than 4k120. TV still does 120, but at lower resolutions and I won't be able to tell at 5 -6 feet anyway.

What TV is it please?

 

[Kerotan]

His point being that 4k 120hz games are going to be extremely rare and the games that do run at that resolution and fps won't be graphically impressive enough to even tell the difference of 4k and lower resolutions at most sitting distances.

Even if true you'd still want a 2.1 TV if you plan on getting a ps5 pro in 3/4 years. Running games at 4k 120fps will probably be much more common there. But yes until then only a few games will support it.

My question is do you need 2.1 to run a game at 120fps but a lower resolution such as 1440p or 1080p?

 

[FlyyGOD]

Dude Dirt 5 is a launch title with a 120hz mode. Lots of games will follow suit offering 120hz modes. Gears 5 multiplayer and halo inifnite will have 120hz multiplayer. Cod black ops cold war will. Im sorry but you should have waited another 18months before pulling the trigger.

Don't forget Ori And The will Of The Wisp supposedly runs at 4k 120hz.

 

[T_LVPL]

Dude Dirt 5 is a launch title with a 120hz mode. Lots of games will follow suit offering 120hz modes. Gears 5 multiplayer and halo inifnite will have 120hz multiplayer. Cod black ops cold war will. Im sorry but you should have waited another 18months before pulling the trigger.

Well my old TV broke so i had no choice to pull the trigger in fairness. Glad I did as been enjoying the tv, also has component which most of them don’t now so good for old consoles.

Fair play if quite a few games have 120 htz, i mainly play JRPGs and Action JRPGs and doubt it’ll be many of those in the next year or so. I don’t play racing games and no FPS since Destiny 1. Most of the current TVs seem to be missing quite a few features to futureproof them. This time next year onwards would be a better time to buy imo and also be cheaper as 120htz 2.1 becomes the norm. It also seems to mainly only be on 55 inch and upwards tvs right now? well i haven’t got room for any bigger than 50 inch. So i’m gonna need to wait for 50 inch tvs to get it anyway.

 

[RoboFu]

I mean 120hz isn’t a big thing for me. I much rather have a 950 with a superior picture but for $900 you can’t really beat the 900h.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

Sony's TV division really needs to get in touch with the Playstation guys when designing next year's televisions. They need to create better synergy. Sony TV's should be the top choice for most gamers for the features, price and quality.

 

[ultrazilla]

I own a Samsung 65" NU6900 model. Wonder if they'll update their firmware for these next gen consoles?

 

[cormack12]

Do you need the 2.1 cables for vrr to work? Or will 2.0 cables work for up to 60? Bo_Hazem

 

[TheKratos]

I don't think checkerboard 4k 120hz will be that rare. Cold War will have 120hz. FPS is the main genre where 100+ frames really shine. I expect shooters, sport and race games to have 120hz modes.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Do you need the 2.1 cables for vrr to work? Or will 2.0 cables work for up to 60? Bo_Hazem

Indeed you need it, and you need as short as possible. Just look for this certification:

This one is not expensive and has high score in Amazon, but not really sure about latency:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07S1CGQ9Z/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Hope this helps as well from a tv expert:

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I don't think checkerboard 4k 120hz will be that rare. Cold War will have 120hz. FPS is the main genre where 100+ frames really shine. I expect shooters, sport and race games to have 120hz modes.

This time around Sony is doing another method of image reconstruction as it seems, as GT7 heavily raytraced at 4K@60fps is quite amusing. Could be reconstructed or could be a mixture of raytracing, probably licensed LocalRay from Adshir for very inexpensive RT solution for the same results.

 

[peetfeet]

Just noticed a new (not the 14th Oct update, today) FW update for the XH90 (UK), installing. Something about adding 120hz for PS5, wasn't paying attention sorry!

 

[Bogroll]

Just noticed a new (not the one this thread was opened for) FW update for the XH90 (UK), installing. Something about adding 120hz for PS5, wasn't paying attention sorry!

I think there is a problem with a blurry image at 120htz that they said will be updated. Hopefully that as I got my eye on one of these but that issue has put the handbrake on until that issue is sorted.

 

[peetfeet]

I think there is a problem with a blurry image at 120htz that they said will be updated. Hopefully that as I got my eye on one of these but that issue has put the handbrake on until that issue is sorted.

would make sense as its already enabled, there was some other stuff listed too but cant find the update details anymore on my TV. Hopefully someone can check.

 

[Esppiral]

I'll check bit once I get home, let's see if they finally added VRR

 

[timmyp53]

not only that. the other HDMI 2.1 features are game changing. Auto low latency and HDMI eARC are both great features.

Hdmi 2.1 is a good thing but you highlighted the wrong features. saying that auto low latency is a game changer when it barely does anything but switch a setting and mention eARC which has been around since 2009.

The most impressive feature of the new spec is Dynamic HDR but that wont be utilized in games. For games its VRR .

 

[Andodalf]

Hdmi 2.1 is a good thing but you highlighted the wrong features. saying that auto low latency is a game changer when it barely does anything but switch a setting and mention eARC which has been around since 2009.

The most impressive feature of the new spec is Dynamic HDR but that wont be utilized in games. For games its VRR .

Xbox series has confirmed support for Dolby vision gaming, so dynamic metadata HDR gaming is coming

 

[timmyp53]

Xbox series has confirmed support for Dolby vision gaming, so dynamic metadata HDR gaming is coming

It is only useful in movies. Tonemapping frame by frame would only apply to cutscenes if developers even wanted to put that herculean effort in.

 

[Rikkori]

120hz blur not solved by this update btw.

 

[FlyyGOD]

I think that Falconeer game will do it. Simple design/art style.

Ori is 120 fps and 4k

 

[Andodalf]

It is only useful in movies. Tonemapping frame by frame would only apply to cutscenes if developers even wanted to put that herculean effort in.

It doesn’t have to be frame by frame. Dynamic metadata can mean per scene, which could definitely be done for gameplay. Even just having a Night/Day would be nice.

 

[timmyp53]

It doesn’t have to be frame by frame. Dynamic metadata can mean per scene, which could definitely be done for gameplay. Even just having a Night/Day would be nice.

I could see that being utilized. Dynamic hdr isn't exclusive to DV however. As HDR 10+ is royalty free it's likely it will be utilized more broadly on the majority of manufactured tv sets . Sony has already moved away from proprietary solutions like Dolby. It'll only continue. We'll have to see how it shakes out.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Getting update on TVs is damn near next level

 

[Andodalf]

I could see that being utilized. Dynamic hdr isn't exclusive to DV however. As HDR 10+ is royalty free it's likely it will be utilized more broadly on the majority of manufactured tv sets . Sony has already moved away from proprietary solutions like Dolby. It'll only continue. We'll have to see how it shakes out.

I don’t think there is a HDR 10+ gaming equivalent, and Dolby vision can be interpreted as HDR 10 so it’s not like it’s mandatory or the game won’t have HDR without it. Dolby vision is also on a very large portion of sets these days.

 

[timmyp53]

I don’t think there is a HDR 10+ gaming equivalent, and Dolby vision can be interpreted as HDR 10 so it’s not like it’s mandatory or the game won’t have HDR without it. Dolby vision is also on a very large portion of sets these days.

It's just an HDR format. Don't fall for marketing.

 

[Andodalf]

It's just an HDR format. Don't fall for marketing.

But applying dynamic metadata to a video game isn’t.

 

[TGO]

I have the X950G and have the H firmware installed on it since it's exactly the same hardware. Will see how this works on it.

The X95G has the same firmware as the X95H and ZH8
The X90H is different

 

[ethomaz]

I forgot about R6 Siege, actually, I guess. What else have they announced that's gonna be able to pull that off?

Actually you forget more games... the most famous ones CoD.

CoD output most modes at 4k120fps on PS5.

 

[timmyp53]

But applying dynamic metadata to a video game isn’t.

I'm trying to tell you that it is.

 

[Andodalf]

I'm trying to tell you that it is.

So where are all the HDR 10+ games?

 

[timmyp53]

So where are all the HDR 10+ games?

They don't need to be labeled or exist due to the myriad of options available for tone mapping via unlicensed means. See HGIG.

 

[Andodalf]

They don't need to be labeled or exist due to the myriad of options available for tone mapping via unlicensed means. See HGIG.

Where are the hgig games?

 

[timmyp53]

Where are the hgig games?

If you wanted to discuss the topic maybe you should have researched the topic first.