TheMoon
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The shit Cranky would give you for this. "I would've done it in under an hour, using one life and finding all the secrets!"
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50/60hz on the PAL Wii U eShop - Discussion Thread
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The shit Cranky would give you for this. "I would've done it in under an hour, using one life and finding all the secrets!"
Not that I know of, aside from this news release from M2 themselves:
English: http://www.mtwo.co.jp/en/2014/04/03/wii-uのバーチャルコンソールにゲームボーイアドバ/
Japanese: http://www.mtwo.co.jp/2014/04/03/wii-uのバーチャルコンソールにゲームボーイアドバ/
TheMoon
Member
Ok, today I beat DKC1 for the first time and it was awesome. Now I'd like to play DKC2, but I won't pay 8 for this 50Hz shit.
And I don't know what to do now. I don't plan to buy a SNES for 4-5 games, the GBA version is terrible and I refuse to play videogames on a emulator. Therefore I've decided to spam the Miiverse and Nintendo by sending mails about this issue. I know it's stupid, but maybe someone at Nintendo will notice my posts.
And I don't know what to do now. I don't plan to buy a SNES for 4-5 games, the GBA version is terrible and I refuse to play videogames on a emulator. Therefore I've decided to spam the Miiverse and Nintendo by sending mails about this issue. I know it's stupid, but maybe someone at Nintendo will notice my posts.
Is that due to ethics or because you think it's inferior?
Retroarch with the BSNES core and a SNES controller, hooked up to a TV, is literally identical to the real thing. It's actually much, much more accurate to an actual SNES than the emulator Nintendo uses for the VC releases. BSNES is 100% cycle accurate.
Buy the cart on ebay, and play through the game using Retroarch on your PC hooked up to an HDTV with a decent controller/SNES pad through a converter. It's the real deal.
Well, five years ago I've decided to try DKC on a emulator for the first time. I beat the first boss and I lost interest quickly because I tried many other games like Contra III or Super Mario Kart for free. In my opinion videogames are meant to play in a official way to maintain their value. I'd also like to have the whole DKC trilogy on the same platform. Therefore I try to avoid the emulator solution as much as possible, but I have to admit...you grabbed my attention.
Now I'll go to bed and think about this, lol.
TheMoon
Member
If you eBay the cartridge, you could try to trick your mind by going with the suggested setup, and putting the cart in front of the TV or something as some form of "simulated dedication" to playing THIS GAME RIGHT NOW as opposed to the usual "play ROM on emu for 5 min, quit and put in another one" shenanigans that also put me off of playing emulators on PC.
The only way we'd likely ever get an answer is if someone in the press asked. Since the chances of that happening are zero we'll never know.
The Red Wizard
Member
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Starwolf_UK
Member
Ask their customer services. They told me the PAL version of DKC2 was only in 50Hz (well duh) and insisted a majority of the VC was PAL versions (if you include the Wii shop that is true...but seemed to me like they didn't get the question asked as I was asking the content of the majority of the Wii U eShop and specifically why DKC2 had to be an exception).
The last exchange ended with:
"Regarding this decision, we have passed your feedback along for consideration however we cannot guarantee an outcome."
They didn't reply to me tearing apart of their argument of "we're a PAL region so we has to be 50Hz" and "majority of the VC is PAL versions" nor did I get the usual survey asking about my customer services experience...
In case anyone wanted the Konami Europe support ticket is still unanswered...apparently their support system is still borked and the twitter support is for US customers only.
Give it up. They're useless.
Eduardboon
Member
Are all the mega man X titles on Wii U the 60hz versions? Can't find the answer and would like to be playing the games, but not at sucky 50hz.
If it's 60hz, on the eshop it should it say "This is the US version of the game." I know that the first Mega Man X says that.
Robin64
Member
Yeah, all three are 60hz. Knock yourself out!
Yep, they are in 60Hz. The game description page on the eShop should say if it's the US version or the European version.
double beaten
Robin64
Member
For reference, the current list of 50Hz games on the Wii U VC is as follows:
NES
Balloon Fight*
Kirby's Adventure
Ufouria: The Saga
SNES
Donkey Kong Country 2
Harvest Moon
Legend of The Mystical Ninja
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Pop'n Twinbee
Pop'n Twinbee: Rainbow Bell Adventures
Super Metroid
* I don't know what we'd call this mess, but it ain't right.
NES
Balloon Fight*
Kirby's Adventure
Ufouria: The Saga
SNES
Donkey Kong Country 2
Harvest Moon
Legend of The Mystical Ninja
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Pop'n Twinbee
Pop'n Twinbee: Rainbow Bell Adventures
Super Metroid
* I don't know what we'd call this mess, but it ain't right.
Isn't that also true of Ufouria?
Neff
Member
We should probably be poking Eurogamer or C+VG or NintendoLife or something to put this issue to Nintendo. I did email a couple of sites aaaages ago about BalloonFightgate, and most of them did report on it at the time, but there doesn't seem to be much acknowledgement of this problem in the press these days.
Because a lot of people, including here on GAF, quite simply either don't care or don't understand.
Its a shame.
Neff
Member
It's true. When Balloon Fight hit, Miiverse exploded with overwhelming protest. If you look at it now, you'll see the odd 50hz complaint between dozens and dozens of people posting pics and happily playing the games. Ignorance is bliss in this case.
Starwolf_UK
Member
Wait so the only things were interest in buying are as follows?
I somehow think you're just looking for excuse to not bother.
The Red Wizard
Member
I'm surprised that more people don't care given all the 'discussions' that take place over 30FPS v 60FPS. I guess that the Wii U's low install base has something to do with that but it would be good to see some movement regarding this.
It's more the fact that I can't trust what I'm buying to work properly on my console. It's barely acceptable on PC but it's just ludicrous on a console with a controlled ecosystem. I don't want to give money to that kind of service.
And ALTTP and Super Metroid were definitely two of the games I was most interested in.
TheMoon
Member
If you would simply read the store page description there'd be no problem. Also, everything works properly. Don't be silly.
A 50Hz game displayed on a 60Hz display does not work properly.
No it bloody well doesnt, otherwise this thread would not exist
Because your opinion overrules everyone elses? Sorry, you arent that important.
Enough people have an issue with it to be a legitimate concern, as this thread proves. End of.
TheMoon
Member
Now where did I say this exactly? We've been through this god damn discussion enough times that I didn't feel like needing to add the disclaimer again that I'd very much prefer 60Hz utopia myself and fully acknowledge their objective superiority. I guess I should just copy/paste this every time this comes up...
My response was intended to point out the silly and hyperbolic tone of the original post.
Uforia THE SAGA doesn't say it's the EU version so you can't rely on descriptions alone. There being no US version doesn't mean Nintendo shouldn't warn people what they are about to buy.
Properly:
1. Correctly or satisfactorily
Nope, they most certainly don't work properly.
TheMoon
Member
They play satisfyingly for plenty of people, me being one of them. That a few hardcore enthusiasts who obsess over a tiny judder while scrolling or a doubled frame that most don't even notice doesn't invalidate this. You know in what camp you fall already. If these details bother you that much then don't buy it, if you've never noticed it and only learned about it here, you'll likely never really notice it or don't actually care. This is all I'm saying.
Well I'll be honest, I just know about Twinbee since it was a game I enjoyed playing around at a friend's house when I was younger. I wouldn't mind getting it again, but I'd rather wait for a solution to the 50Hz problem over a 60Hz signal. I'm not that desperate for the game after all.
I wonder how many actually notice there's something off about the game but don't know how to articulate it.
And Balloon Fight and Super Metroid also have messed up music, so it's not just repeated frames.
TheMoon
Member
Super Metroid doesn't have "messed up music." At least not anywhere close to the same degree if you're referring to SM's sound bug in the Wrecked Ship that I hadn't even noticed while playing. Comparing that to Balloon Fight's completely ruined music is quite a thing to do...
POWERSPHERE
Member
Lttp plays wonderfully and thats 50, right?
Pila
Member
Dude, we know that's not the end of the world, we played them at 50hz back in the time and we survived ^^ It's not about obsessing for the sake of it. It's about being treated like morons. Why should I settle for less? The european eShop is the more expensive one, not the cheapest.
Always happy to buy games on the Wii U VC, I own a few, but I'm not gonna buy this shit. Super Metroid, Zelda LTTP and DKC2 were 100% instabuy for me.
TheMoon
Member
ALTTP is one of the 50Hertzers, yes.
The irony here is that the stated reason originally for giving us 50Hz versions was because they *were* perfect renditions of how we played as kids. Yet now the Wii U doesn't quite handle them correctly, giving us a perfect option is apparently off the cards.
Did I say they were the same? I just listed them both as an example of games that have additional issues apart from the repeating frames.
What about Balloon Fight?