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60% of playtime went to games 6 years and older...
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Bernardougf
Member
The culmination of diversity hires and DEI practices are upon them... it just took more time than Hollywood because games take more time to make... and newsflash this probably will affect games in production for the foreseeable future.
soulbait
Member
The state of Forza and whatever the mess that is Suicide Squad is the attempts to have these games be played similarly to these older games. How do you make a racing game that keeps people engaged for years and years? How do you make a superhero game have legs as long as Fortnite?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Not if we consider what the data looked like at 2 year intervals going back to the start of the hobby.
Think of it in terms of StarCraft. The Zerg can produce units at 2.26 times the rate of the Protoss. The Protoss generate more powerful, longer lasting units.
What models do you think the Protoss and Zerg represent here?
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
touchfuzzy
Member
Personally this year I'm spending a lot less money and playing games a lot more.
So far for new releases I've picked up:
Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown (20 hours, completed)
Ultros (9 hours, completed)
Balatro (40 hours and counting)
FFVII Rebirth (50 hours and counting)
P3 Reload (bought on sale, 18 hours and counting)
So that's 4 / 5 games already at 20+ hours, two of them at 40+ hours.
All of last year combined I only had 5 games break 20 hours playtime, with only two of them at 40+ (Zelda and Theatrhythm)
So far for new releases I've picked up:
Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown (20 hours, completed)
Ultros (9 hours, completed)
Balatro (40 hours and counting)
FFVII Rebirth (50 hours and counting)
P3 Reload (bought on sale, 18 hours and counting)
So that's 4 / 5 games already at 20+ hours, two of them at 40+ hours.
All of last year combined I only had 5 games break 20 hours playtime, with only two of them at 40+ (Zelda and Theatrhythm)
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Which means less and less of these GAAS have a chance of make an appearance...
Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
Wrong. These are not games they released long time ago and are not developed anymore. They have new content being added all the time, making people stay with them. It’s no different than an MMO. The article is incredibly misleading.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I get about as excited for big AAA games nowadays as I do for blockbuster big-budget Hollywood movies. Nowadays they’re safe, same-y, design-by-committee, woke entertainment products.
Used to be that it was exciting when a megaton game was announced. Now at best I feel cautiously optimistic. The only big AAA game that really thrilled and satisfied me in the last few years was Cyberpunk 2077.
BTW in the last year my kids (4th grade and 1st grade) started almost exclusively playing Roblox and Minecraft. That’s what all the kids their age play. I bet they’ll move on to Fortnite when they get a bit older.
Used to be that it was exciting when a megaton game was announced. Now at best I feel cautiously optimistic. The only big AAA game that really thrilled and satisfied me in the last few years was Cyberpunk 2077.
BTW in the last year my kids (4th grade and 1st grade) started almost exclusively playing Roblox and Minecraft. That’s what all the kids their age play. I bet they’ll move on to Fortnite when they get a bit older.
MarkMe2525
Gold Member
In my case, this is probably closer to 90%. I've jumped back into gen 7 systems pretty hard. Ever since I got my component switcher for my CRT and filled my Wii, PS3, and 360 with my backups, that's all I have been playing.
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Kadve
Member
Then how many live service games released during the last 5 years have been successful?
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Have them play DOOM, gotta teach them early.
alucard0712_rus
Banned
I will happily play older games that and are proven to be the best. There are many of those!
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
You could have said this 5 or 10 years ago. Yet, GAAS grew considerably in those 5 to 10 years.
What will the next 5 to 10 look like?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Enough for the largest, most successful game companies on planet earth to push considerably more towards Live Service
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Zheph
Member
I would take some time to read the post maybeOld games are cheaper, not riddled with microtransactions, play better, better designed, don't take 40 hours+ to complete and are not stuffed with shitty DEI politics?
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Yeah... that's my feeling too. What many of these Live service games are doing is basically reutilize the software to release "sequels" within them. They aren't just there making money for free, they're games that are constantly being invested on in not a much different manner from making Spider man, then Miles Morales, then a Remaster update, then Spider Man 2, etc.
Zheph
Member
people just read the title and think they can have a dunk on modern gaming or mtx until you realise all those "older games" are GaaS
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
You mean the same few games grew rather than GAAS as a whole...
The estabilished GAAS will still be the ones of today more or less, with maybe very few new ones, and lots and lots more of them that died along the way or never even truly lived to begin with. We'll still get great single-player games every year, some years better than others.
Or we'll all be dead from nuclear warfare;
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
We both know that's not true. Just pull up the top 50 most played GAAS from 2014 and compare it to todays list.
Wider and deeper. As markets always grow.
Havoc2049
Member
I think it's less of a hardcore vs casual and more of massive time sink multiplayer games vs single player games. I'm big into a few older multi-player communities and the hardcore players in those games are almost all hardcore gamers in general. We are always peeling off to play some of the latest and greatest single player games and talking about them as we continue to play multi-player community games.
I'm guilty, as last year I put the majority of my time into several older multi-player games and some newer multi-player games. I usually buy and finish around 5-10 new games each year though and I'm also a retro gamer and spend time playing and buying retro games to add to my collection. Like for example, I bought and finished and put like 130 hours into Starfield last year. Compared to the time I put into my main multiplayer games, Sea of Thieves and Halo MCC though from last year, that is but a fraction of my gaming time. I just checked and I have 3622 hours in Sea of Thieves and have been playing the game since the day it came out.
KuraiShidosha
Member
I-It's only nostalgia! Gaming totally isn't utterly fucking soulless and dead!!!
Chukhopops
Member
This is the craziest part to me. It feels like play time is cannibalized further and further every year.
Feels like a big problem for the industry, although personally I’m ok with SP games going for smaller budgets and more variety.
mayham2199
Member
My son is in 1st grade now. He plays everything. Lately he's really been into astrobot. I had to get a new PS and didn't uninstall the game. So he started playing it and is going hard. He's also played the messenger, Spiderman, minecraft dungeons, fall guys, roblox, genshin impact. He wants to play more of my games but my wife wont let him.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Not "****ing on" them. Single player games are / were a vital building block of the medium we all love. Couldn't get here without them.
But the industry is changing. To deny as much is to remain ignorant. Looking forward is exciting.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
this is talking about Live service games lolOld games are cheaper, not riddled with microtransactions, play better, better designed, don't take 40 hours+ to complete and are not stuffed with shitty DEI politics?
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
This year alone so many great games came out, if you can’t find one game to enjoy then the issue mostly is with you not the games.
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Counter strike... World of Warcraft..... FIFA........ Call of Duty............ Destiny................... Dota 2....................... League of legends...............................
ThatPolishGuy
Member
I personally would want more immersive sim games but those are niche. I was hyped for new Deus Ex game but the damn Embracer just killed it off.
There's too many games with an open world design and shit ton of bloat.
Semi-open design games with 15 to 20h tops would work, especially I think for older gamers.
I'm curious to see if we ever get Dishonored 3, it may share similar fate to Deus Ex or Thief unfortunately. But I would absolutely love a new entry to the series.
Some of us just don't have the time to put 200h into games. But 15 to 20h is manageable.
Throw in a good story with at least decent pacing and writing and a fun gameplay, no microtransactions, no bugs and decent optimalization. Ground characters in the game world and the story if you want diversity, not just put stuff in at random for the sake of diversity that feels forced and feels like it was just added at the last 5 minutes. And I think you have a decent selling game...
There's too many games with an open world design and shit ton of bloat.
Semi-open design games with 15 to 20h tops would work, especially I think for older gamers.
I'm curious to see if we ever get Dishonored 3, it may share similar fate to Deus Ex or Thief unfortunately. But I would absolutely love a new entry to the series.
Some of us just don't have the time to put 200h into games. But 15 to 20h is manageable.
Throw in a good story with at least decent pacing and writing and a fun gameplay, no microtransactions, no bugs and decent optimalization. Ground characters in the game world and the story if you want diversity, not just put stuff in at random for the sake of diversity that feels forced and feels like it was just added at the last 5 minutes. And I think you have a decent selling game...
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darrylgorn
Member
We can only have so many ideas.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
This talking point needs to die.
Open world games have been the most successful SP games over the last 10+ years. "Semi open world, 15 to 20h tops" flop on such a consistent basis.
Driving in that direction would lead to the SP industry going bankrupt.
NeverYouMind
Member
Forza Horizon 6 and DC Universe Online 2 would probably do the trick. I personally play FH4/5 and Injustice 2 regularly. The latter is more a fighting game than a superhero game though.
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Guilty_AI
Gold Member
World of tanks...... GTAO.............. Diablo................ Minecraft.................. Battlefield........................
Tunned
Member
This fully checks out with me. I'm almost done with my 4th playthrough of Max Payne 3. I played through GTAIV and NFS Hot Pursuit 2010 not too long ago. I'm hooked on Red Alert (remastered) again.
And all this whilst slowly playing through Dying light and the newer, Cyberpunk and Yakuza 7.
I have little to no interest in the new AAA stuff coming out, only GTAVI will be an exception.
And all this whilst slowly playing through Dying light and the newer, Cyberpunk and Yakuza 7.
I have little to no interest in the new AAA stuff coming out, only GTAVI will be an exception.
"It's not Forza Motorsport 4.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
The industry is dominated by casual gamers.
As good as single player games are, you play them for 10-20hrs and then they’re shelved or traded towards new games.
Obviously that’s not the case with GaaS titles that manage to capture players with fun gameplay. Timmy might stop playing GTA Online for Spiderman 2, but 20hrs later, Spider-Man’s a fart in the wind and he’s right back to GTA Online.
Then there’s the audience that only plays CoD or FIFA. They don’t give a shit about all of those big single player exclusives.
That’s reality.
As good as single player games are, you play them for 10-20hrs and then they’re shelved or traded towards new games.
Obviously that’s not the case with GaaS titles that manage to capture players with fun gameplay. Timmy might stop playing GTA Online for Spiderman 2, but 20hrs later, Spider-Man’s a fart in the wind and he’s right back to GTA Online.
Then there’s the audience that only plays CoD or FIFA. They don’t give a shit about all of those big single player exclusives.
That’s reality.
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Guilty_AI
Gold Member
whats today's list btw
Ulysses 31
Gold Member
Yup, thanks to the RetroTink 4K/CEMU/ homebrew Wii, I'm looking more at the past library to play the games in a "remastered" form than anything new recently.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
whats today's list btw
You saw my next move, lol. Pulling on a thread that wasn't going to end well.