The first one is good, but the second I feel changes the design too much.Has anybody seen this post on 9gag:
What an amazing difference! They should hire that guy!
A Compilation of Hilarious Animations in Mass Effect Andromeda
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Psycho_Mantis
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Has anybody seen this post on 9gag:
What an amazing difference! They should hire that guy!
Don't know why people are complaining about attractive characters. Rather have the cast looking really attractive, though its not a necessity: interesting character designs are more important.
Lol. Most certainly not.
They are just bad placed. Ryder is just overly attractive and doesn't fit into the scenario at all there. But she looks more like a human as well. Original Ryders face looks completely aside from attractiveness pretty goofy and I feel a disconnection to this character, because her face looks indeed pretty artificial. And that feelings comes from the fact, that her face doesn't match anything in its proportions that I encounter in my daily life. The animations don't help here as well.
I personally liked FemShepard from ME2 and if I could, I would play her instead of both examples above.
hydragonwarrior
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I get why people are complaining about those pics being too barbie like, but that's just the face; otherwise their bodies are still barbie level. If they are aiming for imperfect/human appearancethan they should probably have their bodies be less perfect too.
cripterion
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Sure. But hard to take that advice from someone who makes a living sitting his ass on a chair playing videogames for people to watch.
Acquiescence
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Has anybody seen this post on 9gag:
What an amazing difference! They should hire that guy!
Anything that doesn't remind me of Shrek is an automatic improvement. Yeah the mock-ups fall back on a more conventionally attractive design, but they don't remind me of Shrek so...
Soul of the Beast
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People don't like seeing attractive person all the time, which explains why people hate seeing me. *wink*
(It's a joke)
Sorry, i'm french, i probably picked the wrong word
chillybright
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Looks like I am not the only one keep seen Shrek from the Asari faces...
Haha I don't know why so many people got triggered by this. Look Bioware tried to make Sara look sexy themselves and failed. Now an artist makes a more realistic looking Sara and everybody is losing their mind. The right one looks way better, more realistic and is in my opinion not super sexed up, like many are claiming. The Asari on the other hand really went from orc to instagram model. But people could argue about that too, weren't Asari super attractive to other species?
And this is not just about the female characters here, the male ones need improvement too.
And this is not just about the female characters here, the male ones need improvement too.
icecold1983
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in a story focused, single player game where immersion and the characters are integral to the experience. this horrific animation would absolutely kill the enjoyment factor. its inexcusably bad
No one is losing their mind. This is a discussion board. You offered up a picture for discussion. Now you're getting a variety of opinions, and you disagree with some of them. Don't try to make this about being "triggered" and "losing their mind", just stick to addressing what people are saying.
Soul of the Beast
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My girlfriend literally freaks out everytime I call her a women, she insist me calling her a girl.
There's nothing wrong with calling young female girls, a lot of them want to feel younger, not older. That doesn't make it an insult, and If they don't like it, I'll apologize immediately and then call them whatever they want me to call them. (Lady, women, madam, mistress etc.)
That doesn't mean it's wrong to call someone a boy or a girl if your intention is to tell them they look young or attractive.
There's nothing wrong with girls/women calling me a boy too.
''Hey boy, how are you doing today?'' Like, am I supposed to freak out and be angry about this? or maybe I should just lighten up a bit? ''boy'' means I look young, right? why should I be mad?
I don't know about you but I am pretty sure they didn't call me boy to insult my appearance, nor does it make me any less intelligent or mature.
In fact, I think it's way more mature to take it easy than freaking out.
And to all the boys and girls in this thread, you look amazing today. *winks*
The Cartographer
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Those characters don't look fine, like at all.
They're not ugly, they're just plain weird.
Yeah, but people started throwing words like "sexist" at those pictures. That sounds pretty triggered to me. I don't mind the people saying it looks too sexy and that making every character in the game look like that would make it boring and unrealistic. That sounds more like wanting to discuss it.
As I said, it's not about making the characters more attractive, but getting them to look more realistic. I really think that the improved Ryder in the picture is what the people at Bioware imagined it should look like. They just weren't able to pull it off. I agree with many people that Sara right now looks very very artificial, with unnatural proportions and facial animation.
I am pretty bummed that there won't be any modding.
This is also a discussion board with threads. Threads are usually for a specific topic. This thread is about hilarious animations and other goofy stuff in Andromeda, not sexism in video games. If people want to have a meaningful discussion about that, I'd personally take it elsewhere.
a) you apparently have no idea what it means to be triggered. Someone calling something sexist isn't triggered. I'm sick and tired of the casual misogyny that permeates gaming culture and everyone's desperate attempts to normalise it and paint women who object as shrill shrieking harpies and men as white knight cucks.
b) Sara's design on its own is fine. That picture has a weird fish eye effect that makes her look stretched. It's the incompetent animation that messes her up.
Exactly, some people kind of don't understand. These characters look ugly to us because they have unnatural face features(character model not realistic enough) and not because we want them to be more attractive.
Did this thread get linked somewhere? I see a lot of new people all the sudden...
Kain-Nosgoth
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welp, her design didn't bother me at first.... and there you are, telling us about shrek... now i can't unsee it.... thank you so much, now i can't stop laughing
SuperBanana
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How is it sexist? This is the model they used for FemRyder.
It looks NOTHING like her. It's not sexist to say the character model looks like dog shit and someone puts it back to something that remotely looks like the face it was based off.
Reminder, this is what Male Shepard looked like compared to his real life model.
Turin Turambar
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How is it sexist? This is the model they used for FemRyder.
It looks NOTHING like her.
Have you thought it looks nothing like her because they only used her as a light inspiration? They don't have the obligation of doing the video game character 100% like the real models.
That is why we talk about her face.
a) Thanks for making my point.
b) I can agree with you on this one, the basic design of Sara is fine. The thing people argue about in this thread is the not up to date physical representation of her, like weird body proportions, unrealistic animation and so on. It's not about making her more attractive as in looking like a model, I wouldn't agree with that myself, it's about making her look more realistic. Body animation that is more realistic, better facial expression etc.
SuperBanana
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It still doesn't make it sexist for photoshopping an image to look more like the model it was based off. The face is terrible. Why would they get real life models then just heavily alter it? They didn't before. They've used models for many characters and copied their look closely. Men and women. Male Ryder looks similar to the model but still janky and weird, Female Ryder looks like she had bad plastic surgery and doesn't even look like a normal person. Bioware has done plenty of "regular" looking characters without making it look dreadful. Dragon Age has had them and same with ME. They butchered the character and many others too. It's a bad job on facial design and animation.
Looking at the situation with all character models and animations I would rather say the tried and failed, that's the whole point of this thread, I guess.
Soul of the Beast
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You are missing the point here, he was trying to say the photoshopped image litereally IS the real life model they used to make female Ryder, It just so happened that BioWare didn't make her look exactly like the model, intentional or unintentional.
That doesn't mean having a fem Ryder that look 100% percent like her real life model is more sexist than making her look 30% like the real life model, aka the face we got in the game (I'd argue more like 10% lol).
Has anybody seen this post on 9gag:
What an amazing difference! They should hire that guy!
I'm not into turning every male/female character into stereotypical 10/10 models, but the Ryder model on the right actually looks like a believable human being, for one.
The original Ryder model looks like she's got exophthalmos as seen in Graves' disease or something.
The eyes are everything when it comes to selling something as a believable human being and Bioware really fucked everything up in that department. They could have just changed the eyes and leave the jaw/cheeks completely alone and it would be a 110% improvement over the botched original model.
Necro900
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If they'd just used her as "light inspiration", they wouldn't have paid her to use her image, since it's so loosely based off her there's no way in the world you could think of that particular model playing Ryder.
Yeah, I'm gonna go with the "this team is quite unexperienced in multiple fields of game design" road, since all evidence points there.
Animation and character modeling are not their strong points, definitely.
stan423321
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If they were aiming for light inspiration I imagine they would not need to license her appearance out.
Not so much about how hot they look but how they look dead and not lifelike in their behavior.
Now can we please not derail the God gifs into sexism in video games please.
More jank, go!
aaand you didn't understand at all. whatever, I don't want to derail the thread anymore. bring on the jank!
How is it sexist? This is the model they used for FemRyder.
It looks NOTHING like her. It's not sexist to say the character model looks like dog shit and someone puts it back to something that remotely looks like the face it was based off.
Reminder, this is what Male Shepard looked like compared to his real life model.
Oh wow, they really failed at transferring her looks into the game. It is, as i said and imagined, Bioware tried and just failed.
Yeah, male Ryder is a mess too. I hope they patch all this.
Yeah, I agree the eyes look super weird to me like they are going to "pop out".
I am with you on the 10%.
Why look for a model if you're going to alter it so hard? They could have picked another person and modeled the ingame character 1:1.
FlutterPuffs
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Doesnt mean the argument isn't sound.
I mean really, is it a big problem if you want template Ryder to look like the reference model?
Honestly though, I watched a video interview of the model reference and FemaleRyder does resemble her a lot. My opinion is FemRyder has a weird resting face + inconsitent animation quality that makes her look weird as hell, compared to the real life inspiration.
EDIT: Here's the video I watched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJvhVcSB3w8
Peroroncino
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I don't even see the 'light inspiration', she literally looks nothing like her.
Holy crap, imagine the facial expression of Jayde in the game!
Soul of the Beast
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Apparently making character too attractive can be sexist, next time I play Skyrim I should just hit ''random'' instead. Don't wanna be a sexist who makes his main character look too attractive.
I can't remember ever feeling annoyed by how attractive a male character looks, if anything I want male characters to look as insanely attractive as possible.
Attractive male character makes everyone happy, females happy, gays happy and straight males happy too.
Nero from DMC4 is the hottest fuck boy in the town, and as a straight male I love his design so much it almost turn me gay.
Also Dante from DMC4 again. My role model when I turn 40 (I wish).
Attractive male characters makes me want to improve my looks, I might not be able to change my face or skin color but I can at least keep my appearace clean, dress nicer and get a good haircut.
I have been doing that ever since I start playing video games, and It really benefits me a lot in real life. These characters make me want to improve my appearance instead of just saying ''well, I wasn't born handsome anyway, why bother?''.
I noticed something similar in the PeeBee mission gameplay, with the laser and the background smoke cloud.Not an animation, but was playing MP and noticed the Stars are visible through the planet. Lol, not gonna say i havent seen shit like this in other games, but still
Even if we're to assume the laser passed through the cloud, that's not how perspective works.
Audioboxer
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Jeeez, Bioware getting roasted. It's beginning to look like another Dragon Age 2 if the reviewers are mediocre as well.
Dragon Age II is actually good tho
stargateheaven
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the problem is she doesn't look human. i dont care if she looks like a washing machine hit her in the face at high speed.
Her dead eyes and constant smile is creepy.
Her dead eyes and constant smile is creepy.
I mean, Andromeda is a great game with silly faces sometimes. I liked DA2 but the issues it had are way worse.
Agreed. There are also plenty of women who have wide faces and turning that alien chick into generic skinny faced model is doing a disservice. Better eyes and more natural animation would be just fine.
I was really disappointed when in FFXV they made the princess look like generic doll model 123 over what looked like a real person in the Kingsglaive film. You can have attractive looking characters that don't have idealized body or facial features.
MoogleWizard
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"My face is tired from dealing with everything"
What does that even mean? Who says that?
What does that even mean? Who says that?
Soul of the Beast
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