Parazels
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Your approach might look good on paper, but by that logic, the iPhone should have failed - especially the first models.
A much better idea than PCs that mimic consoles.
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Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
Almost.
But that kb/m would come in the package, and the controller too. The bridge between these two markets would be the games; Sega tried with PSO, while my idea includes moba and rts games with AAA budget, next gen graphics. Who knows, maybe on the Dreamcast 2.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
PC players don't want all the limitation of a console, colleague. So the less consoles in the market, the better.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Your plan is just a console with more power to play some demanding strategy games?!?
Consoles already has access to some strategy games and have KB&M support.
Strategy games are not always low budget. Look at the Total War series for example.
This is extreme shit posting. I'm not even sure why I bothered replying.
Radical_3d
Member
Sangría, what happened with your nick?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Ftfy.
Not way more, just more and still runs worse 99,99% of the time. Most UE5 games also stutter on PS5 but on PC you can brute force and tweak them to make it better. 
Not all new effects like path tracing, 16x AF (lol), DLAA, DLSS quality, HBAO+, MSAA, SSAA...
Same way everyone that plays does. Lapboards and stuff like that.
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Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
No. It's the development of strategy games featuring cutting-edge graphics, never seen before to attract fans of the genre to buy this theoretical console.
This is a better move than saturating the PC with controller-based games. One move leads to a loss of the PC's identity, while the other leads to its recovery. I played a lot on PC and I liked the time when they were different from consoles in terms of exclusive games.
Laptop1991
Member
It's a PC in specs and software and more open than Xbox and Playstation, but it's aimed at the Console space and user, TV and couch, i've just bought a new desk and chair, i wouldn't stick the Steambox on my desk, there would be a lot of room for other stuff, i'm not against it though, i'm looking forward to seeing how popular it becomes.
El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
La Casera sent their ninjas to go after my ass.
Nah just trying to keep this account separated from other places. I might reverse it next month lol, not sure about this new nickname.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
So a powerful console that does path tracing at 60fps, meaning $1000+...
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
How much more cutting edge do you want besides what games like Total War are offering?
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Lets see
Gamecube had many game at 60 fps. And since 2020 many console games have 120 fps. 120 Hz monitors and TV became norm post 2020, so before 2020 120 fps was useless.
Sega Meganet - Wikipedia
Not much of a head start. RTX cards were introduced first in 2018 and most games did not even use Ray Tracing until they was introduced in PS5 in 2020.
Since 2001 PS2 allowed you to add hard drives.
Also Hard Drives predate personal computers.
Virtual Boy
Also the oldest VR device predates PCs.
The Sword of Damocles (virtual reality) - Wikipedia
Since 2008 in DSi. Ultimate consoles are for playing games. There is no need for a webcam.
tanners
Member
And that's why Android exists
There's lot ppl don't like walled garden approach
cireza
Member
Nintendo data shows that controllers are the dominant input.
Selling a console, two docks, a mouse, a keyboard, a controller and everyone will be happy ? How exactly do you make all of this stuff affordable ? And I am not buying a mouse and keyboard period.
Your logic is so broken we should call you Common Sense Crusher.
Majima Everywhere System
Member
People have been trained to put up with janky experiences with modern TV OSs and the internet having privacy popups, I think it will unlock the pc market.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Lets see
Gamecube had many game at 60 fps. And since 2020 many console games have 120 fps. 120 Hz monitors and TV became norm post 2020, so before 2020 120 fps was useless.
Sega Meganet - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Not much of a head start. RTX cards were introduced first in 2018 and most games did not even use Ray Tracing until they was introduced in PS5 in 2020.
Since 2001 PS2 allowed you to add hard drives.
Also Hard Drives predate personal computers.
Virtual Boy
Also the oldest VR device predates PCs.
The Sword of Damocles (virtual reality) - Wikipedia
Since 2008 in DSi. Ultimate consoles are for playing games. There is no need for a webcam.
120Hz was useless before 2020?
what planet do you come from?
The sword of democles...created by a COMPUTER engineer.
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Radical_3d
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Unique scenario where someone is after your ass.La Casera sent their ninjas to go after my ass.
Time to stalk
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Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
The Nintendo Switch is a console.
The hypothetical product in this topic is a console-PC with the goal of attracting PC players to consoles, a move opposite to that of the Steam Machiner ; therefore, I need to include a keyboard and mouse in the packaging so the user can play sitting down, using a monitor and a table if they want, and a controller so they can play in the living room. There's simply no way to combine both experiences; two are necessary.
To make this console viable, it would obviously have to be slightly inferior to, say, the PS6. It's perfect, but it would need to be produced by a company capable of making exclusive games essentially on its own.
cireza
Member
You won't attract PC gamers because it will be an inferior experience to what they already have.
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Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
I meant 120 Hz TVs and monitors becoming norm. By 2019-20 2K 144 Hz monitors came down to below 1000 $ range.
You said PC. Personal Computers. Personal Computers did not exist back then.
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Ellis
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I'm probably a PC player more than I am consoles these days, but I absolutely no longer wish to play anything with a K&M today.
We're at a point where even once traditional M&K games are better experienced with a controller. Diablo 2 Remake is a good example. That game plays so much better with a controller.
For the older classic games I wish to revisit, I wait for a studio like Nightdive to pick up the license and implement controller support in their release.
The benefits of M&K today are so rare outside of competitive FPS games.
We're at a point where even once traditional M&K games are better experienced with a controller. Diablo 2 Remake is a good example. That game plays so much better with a controller.
For the older classic games I wish to revisit, I wait for a studio like Nightdive to pick up the license and implement controller support in their release.
The benefits of M&K today are so rare outside of competitive FPS games.
TVs ya with HDMI 2.1. Monitors 120Hz was around for far longer. Late 90s I had a CRT that did 120Hz.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
CRTs tech was different. I meant modern PC monitors.
Donald mac Ronald
Member
Im not sure why people keep thinking the wheel needs reinventing. It doesnt.
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MrJangles
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Yep. I skipped the PS360 gen. When I bought a PS4 I was pretty shocked at the setup options, signing into this and that, installing games to hard drives, firmware updates, game patches, online functionality, streaming, etc. I can only assume the current Playstation and Xbox consoles have expanded upon the above.
Consoles are basically simplified PC's.
Pasta la Vista
Member
jesus, this clown
It has a VGA PC Monitor.
I also had 3D 120Hz 1080p monitors back in 2012, 1440p wasn't very common back then.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
I think the problem is that you associate iterative tech like "higher framerate" and "Any new graphical effects" as copying "gaming lifestyle". Those aren't really lifestyle choices but iterative technology improvements. Lifestyle choices would be things the user does. Like play on a couch, play on the go like a DS, quick resume, etc. Those are gaming lifestyle changes, not technology improvements like higher framerate.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Ahh yeah, ok I see what you are saying. I totally didnt get it then lol.
Ok, lifestyle would be online gaming. High performance gaming. Mouse and Keyboard gaming that consoles have adopted this gen? Consoles plugged into monitors on gaming desk set ups? those would be "copying" PC gaming.
Just seems like a silly comment to make from that user.
I collect VHS tapes
Gold Member
This sounds like a product you would see on the Tim and Eric show
Hohenheim
Member
The term "PC bros" and "console bros" makes me cringe so bad.
It's almost as bad as "Chads"
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Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
Except that it's not, it's a console. Think of it as an SG-1000 II but with a SK keyboard included.Sounds like a regular PC for the living room that you use a keyboard and mouse on.
The real difference between this and a PC in terms of games would theoretically be having MOBA and RTS games with AAA graphics, something that current PCs lack since many MOBAs run on onboard VGA.
El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
It's cute that you think RTS gamers care all that much about graphics when stuff like Starcraft and AOE2 are still the kings of the genre.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
This is circling the problem.
There's no way to combine keyboard and living room setups if competitive FPS games require a monitor and a desk, they are two distinct and irreconcilable experiences. For a long time, consoles and living rooms were, and still are, better suited for third-person games. Therefore, the viable solution is for a console to offer a separate keyboard and controller, two items in the box.
Someone suggested that a portion of the public simply wouldn't use the keyboard at all compared to the Xbox One's Kinect, but I believe they would use it eventually, after all, the keyboard is still the best way to play FPS games. it's the games that justify the peripherals. I would even agree with the premise if, for example, whoever made the product I theorized didn't also make games targeting both peripherals, that is, competitive games, real-time strategy games, without forgetting to make third-person games.
Why would it require a monitor and desk? A TV and couch would work just fine. People play competitive on consoles. It's just that the ceiling is higher for mouse and keyboard versus a controller.
The Phantom which was a first major crack at a PC/console hybrid used a lapboard.
But why are you mentioning just a keyboard. The mouse is the important part. Single hand solutions exist for the keyboard part. You just need to be able to aim much more accurately than a controller, making the mouse the tricky part. A PS3 move navigation controller combined with a mouse would be enough for most games.
Third person games can be played extremely well with a mouse and keyboard if there's aiming required. You get the same pinpoint accuracy as in an FPS.
I'm really not sure why you are still trying to force people to play one way or the other. On PC you can pick whatever control method you want. And some console games have native keyboard/mouse support. With people having varying disabilities locking into any one thing just makes people be unable to play. Let people play how they want.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
I imagined someone would say, "Just put a keyboard on the PS6," obviously not understanding that it's not just about the keyboard. the core strategy is producing a line of games to take advantage of this setup in a closed platform and attract PC users to consoles. Think moba, RTSs, FPSs, some adventure games, spaceship games—this type of game on PC is mid-budget at best. The core of this console is the AAA versions of this type of game. if there's anything that forces migration between platforms, it's high-budget games It has always been this way, and it always will be.
Crayon
Member
It's one of those things where it would take a real long-game effort to cultivate those audiences on console. They are just so used to pc being the place for that.
There was a period through ima guess 1995-2005 where you saw more rts and strategy games on console than you do now, but even then it was just the hits.
It's more than just a matter of the audience not just being on pc and having some inertia, but the idea of switching to console for those types of games being almost inconceivable.
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Ge Os
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simpatico
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If you need Sony or Microsoft to adjust your graphic settings and figure out which chips are a good value that year, they're going to charge for the service. That's what a lot of us just stopped paying for. We play the same games. There's just too much upside in the open ecosystem.
Evergreen library is the killer app. Free remasters every 4 years for all your favorite games. Sometimes faster.
Evergreen library is the killer app. Free remasters every 4 years for all your favorite games. Sometimes faster.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
Many console advocates have been moved by the switch and handhelds, I think with PC computers there's knowledge of specs, cards, components needed and that isn't a good presentation for console gamers.
cartman414
Member
That's just a PC with extra steps.
DeVeAn
Member
Let's be real its because everyone has some kind of PC. Not everyone has a console.