Joelenheimer
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Maybe a mini-map or something. More UI would feel too cluttered.
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A new Final Fantasy XVI trailer will be shown this fall | Game Confirmed Not Open World + More Info
LordCBH
Member
I would love for the gambit system to make a return.
How is that irrelevant?
You literally stated:
They in fact did not make the FFXIII trilogy or FFXV. The teams that made those two aren't even the same teams.
Kev Kev
Member
no youre allowed to not like, just the way you deliver youre criticism feels smug, dismissive and just not thorough. is it too much to ask for you to write a few sentences? maybe a paragraph? perhaps compare and contrast? elaborate on some of the positives?
instead its just "like the graphics and combat but everything else is garbage" lol come on man
They refers to SquareEnix.
Even so, you're still attributing blame to people that had zero bearing on what those games ended up being.
Square Enix is a huge company that is also a publisher. There are multiple big and small teams working on multiple games concurrently.
If we're discussing game design and the results thereof, then it's more reasonable to be specific about the game designers in question.
Otherwise, it's no different than blaming Eidos Montreal for the FF XIII trilogy and FFXV.
G Graciaus Not sure what's funny? I don't think any I said here was unreasonable
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Swift_Star
Banned
dude, you’re taking this way more seriously than you should.
Kev Kev
Member
youre right i should have stopped here
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Cool. Not every game needs to be open-world to be ambitious, or good, or be a GOTY contender. It's just a genre and has a whole kitchen of shortcomings like a lot of other genres, potentially more than most.
If it's a tight story-driven linear adventure with some sandbox-style explorable pockets and a great battle system with great characters and cool attacks & designs, it's going to stun a lot of people in a good way.
If it's a tight story-driven linear adventure with some sandbox-style explorable pockets and a great battle system with great characters and cool attacks & designs, it's going to stun a lot of people in a good way.
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HerjansEagleFeeder
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No open world? I might be interested, then.
lyan
Member
It is pretty common for many media creators like in games, movies, books.
Fbh
Member
To be fair, while XIII and XV might have had parties, they still mainly focused around controlling one character. In XIII you only have direct control over one character at a time, and you assign roles to the other AI controlled party members. And XV at launch was also an action based combat system with a single playable character (it wasn't until a year after launch that they made the others playable).
FF7 Remake was the first game in the franchise since like X where I felt like I was playing as the entire party and not just one character with AI companions.
Also this is just personal but the more medieval setting is giving me more FF vibes than the boy band roadtrip style of XV.
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Dynasty8
Member
Probably, but it doesn't surprise me since Square has been at the bottom when it comes to various things in games such as bad level design and side quests. It feels stuck in the PS2 era.
Really hinders the overall experience IMO. Hopefully they are drawing inspiration from games like Elden Ring for level design and Witcher 3 for side quests.
DarthPutin
Member
It all sounds great to me, what's not to love? Mature game with grown up themes, beautiful visuals, open enough for exploration and learning about the world but still story-driven, with fast bombastic action. Hopefully they'll pull most of this off.
Oh, and if it doesn't sound FF-ish enough for you, pretend it's called something else, boom, problem solved!
Oh, and if it doesn't sound FF-ish enough for you, pretend it's called something else, boom, problem solved!
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Boneless
Member
Ehhh, FFVII?
smart_brazileiro
Banned
No open world? Day one.
SilentUser
Member
So excited to play this and not making an open world title is actually a welcoming decision. Hopefully they will be able to deliver a mature title with compelling characters and story.
pleaseinsertdisctwo
Member
CG cutscenes are confirmed?? Where?? If this is accurate, thank the fucking lord. I was worried lol.
Jim Ryan other Clone
Banned
Only FF I have played is 12 and I loved it. Especially the way you can command your party was something that o haven't seen in any other game. But ff15 frustrated me at the first gas station and I did not have the desire to deal with the shit control of the car and play as the emo morons for the whole game ... hopefully the ff16 will be better. Until now it looks very good but I take every interview from the creators with skepticism because they have to praise what they make and sometimes they dont see their game flows or they straight up lie (e.g. Cybershit 2099).
March Climber
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Mister Wolf
Member
Large zones like Tales Of Arise. I can dig it. I expect this game to be amazing. Hopefully it runs well on PC.
CaptainSlayAHo
Banned
M rating and the 3 different life phases could be pretty interesting
Kev Kev
Member
only 4 large zones tho. ff12 had dozens
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Just because it’s not “open world”, it doesn’t mean they gonna be linear like FFXIII.not open world? thats a bummer.. i dont want another 10 or 13
Games like Xenoblade and Dragon Quest XI are technically linear RPGs but with big open map to explore.
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Elysion
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I wish they would just take the structure of earlier FF games and scale it up to modern standards. If you look at something like FF7 for example, once you leave Midgar you have access to the world map, but that doesn’t mean you can go anywhere you want, since you’re restricted by natural barriers like oceans and mountains. Over the course of the game you get access to more and more of the world through new forms of transportation: first a car, then a boat, then a submarine and finally an airship. It’s only in the last third of the game that you can explore the whole map. This allowed them to control the pacing of the story, while still letting players feel as if they’re exploring a huge open world.
I just don’t understand why they never tried to repeat this structure after FF9. I don’t want an open world where I can just immediately go wherever I want, since that usually messes up the pacing of the story. But I certainly want to be able to freely explore the world by the end of the game, preferably with an airship or some other kind of unique vehicle. I don’t just want to select locations on a menu screen like in FF10 and 12; I want the whole world to be physically explorable. It doesn’t even have to be totally seamless; I’d have no problem if cities and dungeons are their own cells separate from the world (that’s how Skyrim and Oblivion did it after all).
If necessary they could even fake the open map entirely: while you’re in an airship, the whole world map is available, but only as a separate cell that’s less detailed than the normal environments (but which you wouldn’t really notice since the camera is further away in this mode). You can’t really interact with the environments while flying your airship, but you wouldn’t need to, since it’s just a fancy way to move across the map. But when you land, there’s a short cutscene and the game loads the actual environment of the specific zone you landed in (which should only take a few seconds thanks to the SSD). So the world would be separated into different zones, which on foot can only be entered or exited at specific points determined by the developers (thus allowing them to guide the player’s experience). But later in the game, once you get an airship or another vehicle, you have access to an open world map that is its own separate thing entirely, but still gives you an illusion of a seamless open world.
Something like that is what I have wanted ever since FF10. There’s still a chance that FF16 will do something like this, especially since they said that the story will be global, and not just restricted to certain continents.
I just don’t understand why they never tried to repeat this structure after FF9. I don’t want an open world where I can just immediately go wherever I want, since that usually messes up the pacing of the story. But I certainly want to be able to freely explore the world by the end of the game, preferably with an airship or some other kind of unique vehicle. I don’t just want to select locations on a menu screen like in FF10 and 12; I want the whole world to be physically explorable. It doesn’t even have to be totally seamless; I’d have no problem if cities and dungeons are their own cells separate from the world (that’s how Skyrim and Oblivion did it after all).
If necessary they could even fake the open map entirely: while you’re in an airship, the whole world map is available, but only as a separate cell that’s less detailed than the normal environments (but which you wouldn’t really notice since the camera is further away in this mode). You can’t really interact with the environments while flying your airship, but you wouldn’t need to, since it’s just a fancy way to move across the map. But when you land, there’s a short cutscene and the game loads the actual environment of the specific zone you landed in (which should only take a few seconds thanks to the SSD). So the world would be separated into different zones, which on foot can only be entered or exited at specific points determined by the developers (thus allowing them to guide the player’s experience). But later in the game, once you get an airship or another vehicle, you have access to an open world map that is its own separate thing entirely, but still gives you an illusion of a seamless open world.
Something like that is what I have wanted ever since FF10. There’s still a chance that FF16 will do something like this, especially since they said that the story will be global, and not just restricted to certain continents.
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KXVXII9X
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This sounds really promising! One of the few games aside from Street Fighter 6 and Hogwarts Legacy that I have some confidence of it delivering when released.
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- The team played a lot of different modern AAA games to get a feel for what people like these days and for reference. (this shouldnt come as a surprise as Yoshida has always said that the biggest fault of Square devs and devs in general is that they dont actually play games their competitors are making and thus often make outdated design choices.)
- NOT fully open world aka one seamless map. Instead will have Big Areas that are basically different parts of the continent(s) of Valisthea to give players a better feel of a truly “global” scale.
- "In the 35-year history of the Final Fantasy series, it’s always been the guiding policy that each new installment has to be the very best game that the director at the time can put together, no matter how the game world, the characters, or the battle system might change. Because of this, gamers and Final Fantasy fans around the world have very different ideas of what a Final Fantasy game should be—but to me, it’s those elements I mentioned."
- His orginal reaction to being asked to make the next FF “Thanks, but I have my hands full with Final Fantasy XIV, so let me think about it.”
- Team started as a small core team split from XIV team and then eventually grew over the course of several years as dev continued. Didnt want this to have any impact on XIV's continued development.
- the game is fully playable from start to finish. Currently doing multi language VO, fine tuning difficulty, final touches on cutscenes, full scale debugging etc
- His fav summon is Bahamut
- jump straight from story cutscenes into real-time battles and back again without any loading times thanks to the power of PS5
- The titan battles are only a small part of the full experience. That said, each titan battle itself is long, with different phases, stages changing all in real time one of these battles is reminiscent of a 3D shooting game, another feels like a pro wrestling match, while another, like the one with Titan, incorporates an entire area as the battlefield
- Some UI was removed from the trailer for spoiler reasons
- One of the main themes explored in Final Fantasy XVI's narrative deals with the inevitable clash of values and ideals when you get multiple different people with different ideals in the same room; what is truly right and what is truly wrong?
- No plan for any tertiary content. XVI will be a complete experience.
- We follow the life of Clive Rossville through three different stages: his teens, his 20s, and his 30s.
- Lots of background lore, and reading material in the game itself.
- Game is rated 18+/M for mature because they felt it was necessary to allow us to explore those more mature themes that the game tackles.
- Combat is fast paced and you'll switch between different summon abilities on the fly (sounds kinda like weapon/style switching from DMC). Allows for a lot of customization and personal creativity.
- FFXVI is more medieval because of the personal preference of lead devs on the game. They saw a lot of people finding the modern settings of FF kinda static so decided to use this as a chance to go the other way instead.
- Already working on readying a third trailer for release this fall.
My favorite parts is that it isn't open world and that it is a complete game and not a broken up mess like FFXV. I'm also excited to dive into the conflicting ideals. Should be interesting for sure.
KXVXII9X
Member
The XV team is working on Forspoken? Well, everything makes sense now. Both use Luminous engine and seem to both have unnecessary empty open world.
Kev Kev
Member
I feel you man, nothing I want more than that.
There is a way they could make it work without it being overly large and empty. I just don’t think they have any interest in doing that. Maybe one day.
kiphalfton
Member
If the devs didn't lose focus by going the open world route that would be one thing, but then they always add in some nonsense filler material to pad the game. I still find it extremely hard to believe that there hasn't really been that many games that are open world, that feel varied from mission to mission. And maybe that's the problem, is making open world games mission based instead of making it one long cohesive "mission" like linear games.
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Barakov
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Dirk Benedict
Member
On the flip side, less open areas, means more resources for the actual content. I'm all for that if it, if it improves every other aspect of the game.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
I liked XV, beaten it like four times since launch, and my last playthrough was ~250 hours, not including DLC. It did certain things VERY well, namely music, visuals, and atmosphere. Had a good road trip vibe, monster designs were all pretty cool and dark fantasy inspired. Side stuff was cool as far as fishing, photography, and hidden tombs and dungeons.
Things I didn't vibe with so well were the lack of cohesion between the first and second halves, the fact that you needed to invest in movies and anime to understand the story completely as opposed to supplementing an already complete story, and the lack of urgency or drive in the main quest. Was basically
"Oh, we're going on a boat to go get married. Oh no, my kingdom was taken over. Let's take photos, go camping, fish, and fix steam valves. I had a dad? LOL he sounds like a tool, whatevs, I need new headlights for my car,"
Like...don't cram big epic explodey world ending shit in the beginning and end and have the middle be bro time. I thought the game EXCELLED at forming a believable relationship with the main party, and I'd honestly appreciate, in an anthology series like FF, if there were a game with kind of a tighter, more personal, low stakes tale. Have a road trip across the continent and do all these quests and have it be a coming of age story or whatever that happens to have dragons and goblins and caves and Ruins and shit, but keep it small scale. XV is a result of clashing visions, and a story stitched together from the corpse of Versus XIII. It's a game that desperately wants it's own identity, but is tied down in the baggage of it's own pre release hype.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
?...ok.
Based on how they are saying this, that is how they did FFXV sir, you couldn't actually go to ALL 100% areas in the game cause several areas you go to are closed off and you get there thru a cut scene or something. So to say FF should never go open world is funny as fuck, the fucking series started as open world lol Where the fuck did you think that airship music came from or have you never known it was open world prior or something?
The deep lolz.
So FF series has more titles open world then not, even those that are open have areas that you can't connect to until some cut scene or event, what this game is even describing ironically isn't that different then what was done with FFXV or other past titles.
So it states
As in.. not FULLY open world, but clearly open world none the less, simply not a seamless map, but that is how FFXV is, 100% of all areas are not a seamless thing or something.
"Yes! You can through the Call Umbra feature:
- Go to a rest point that is not a campsite. Open the interact menu.
- Choose the option Call Umbra. Umbra should appear.
- Choose Travel to past Altissia. A loading screen will appear.
Now you know =), but thats a lot of FF titles btw. As in you can fly in some airship to get to an area, but other areas are locked off, you got to it thru some cut scene or event. So this whole "Fully open" vs "Seamless" I feel is irrelevant, if you didn't like FFXV, for all we know you won't like this lol I mean shit, its not like this idea that some of the areas in FFXV you need to go to a fucking camp site to visit now fucking suddenly makes it GOTY for you man. Doubtful.
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stickkidsam
Member
An M-Rated Final Fantasy with action combat and a medieval setting that harkens to the older games?? Designed by one of the combat leads for DMC, written by main writer for Heavensword, and directed by the man who saved FFXIV?!?
LET’S LIGHT THIS BITCH!!
LET’S LIGHT THIS BITCH!!
Rykan
Member
Really? I thought the combat of XV was by far the worst aspect of it. It's probably the single worst combat system I've seen in an Action RPG.
Azurro
Banned
Not thinking FFXV is great is being smug? Come on, they left out huge chunks of story out of the main game, while the world made no sense at all. That world being pretty much empty most of the time as well. I liked the combat and the characters, but come on, you can't tell me it doesn't have enormous flaws.
MistBreeze
Member
From what I have seen from the trailers the game looks promising
The combat seems cool ,, dmc style switching like system seems nice
The story seems dark, deep and interesting
The only thing that I don’t like summons battle seems cinematic with minimal interactions
I hope this game succeeds, I hope they show more gameplay in coming trailers
The combat seems cool ,, dmc style switching like system seems nice
The story seems dark, deep and interesting
The only thing that I don’t like summons battle seems cinematic with minimal interactions
I hope this game succeeds, I hope they show more gameplay in coming trailers
I think the problem would be as you mentioned is that they would have to create a huge open world you could explore. It was okay during the ps1 era to fake an entire world but not so much now. I know that we have technology that would allow you to create more easily whole worlds but what would be the point if all your going to visit were a couple of cities and towns peppered across vast distances of that world.
They should have worked on creating smaller more interesting "worlds" to explore like maybe a kingdom that has multiple environments like a, beaches, lakes, mountains, towns, and a mountain in a large-ish area. Then they could have multiplied that by two warring kingdoms for the next game. I swear this sounds like ff15 to ff16 but ff 15 fails in creating a interesting and lively world.
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Kev Kev
Member
so you also believe the only good things about it were combat and graphics? everything else was literal garbage?? the dialogue, music, exploration, chocobos, chocobo racing and fishing, the other mini games, the boss fights, the story, listening to old school FF songs while cruising down a highway with beautiful landscape all around you, flying a damn car around the open world, the funny banter back and forth, the different mechanics lie eating food to power your party up and so on.
all of it was just "garbage"? as in a complete waste of the developers time? as in the people who spent hundreds if not thousands of hours crafting these mechanics and systems created something that was pure garbage and worthless? like youd literally hold their work in front of their face and shit punt it into the trash in front of them?
come on man. i can criticize something and be an adult about it. calling everything except the graphics and combat in FF15 "garbage" is childish and stupid, and just objectively false. i can look at something and be like "yeah this was bad but i like how they did this. that thing wasnt implemented well but i see what they were going for. but this one thing was really stupid not sure what was going on there but i have to give them credit for x, y and z".
the way that dude writing off nearly the entire game as garbage is fucking smug.
yeah the game has flaws and hes aloud to hate it, hell i can see it has flaws and there are parts about it i hate (and ive said as much!), but the way he went about it was completely stupid and borderline troll behavior. not to mention, if youve paid attention to that member's bans hes kind of a fuckin troll. ive been reading his posts since he signed up here and i just finally had enough of him (i put him on ignore and trust me you should too, you seem like a genuine poster).
and ive had enough of FF fans being smug assholes in general. anyone who loves everything about FF7R for example, as if it is "perfect" and has done nothing wrong, can go fuck off. i love FF7R but it absolutely has flaws and im not sitting over here calling it garbage bc i dont like it. i also love FF15, and its not nearly as good of a game as FF7R but that doesnt mean its garbage.
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