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[mayham2199]

Is it even worth porting a game for this?

Maybe overtime it could be worth it? With sales, an eventual GP offer that I'm sure will be low but an offer nonetheless. Maybe use it to try and sell the DLC. I don't know not sure I even trust the firm but if this is true this is a mess. Will be interesting to see what Square sales during the quarterly reports. They seem to have no issue throwing their IPs under the bus and making it clear when something underperformed.

 

[Darsxx82]

Come on.

This game :
- is a late port
- is full price
- is technically weak
- sucks ass (we had two years to be well informed about this)

Sorry, but as an Xbox player, I have some standards. I played the demo, it was bad. Waiting for FF XVII.

You can adds that it is released when there are better alternatives recently released in the genre and other new games that do not carry the burden of two years of criticism and concern.

PS. I also played the demo and It was more than bad.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Xbox can't move games. Xbox is gamepass or nothing. No wonder they are moving to become PC. Nobody will develop for Xbox after this is finally widely accepted so they will need to piggyback off PC to even get 3rd party support.

Games are seen as disposable by gamepass people so they don't value any individual game which leads to shit like Final Fantasy selling 22,000 copies and/or the end of the Xbox brand.

Things like this or the latest doom flop cannot keep happening without some sort of consequence coming eventually somewhere down the line. Think of the money lost. Think of the opportunity costs of profit generated. Even if this is a rounding error you have to imagine they will notice a pattern in that it is always rounding DOWN.

 

[Astray]

Yep, they nailed the launch price there.

XVI launched too high, considering VII Remake is even older, it better fuckin' launch lower, lol. But considering that 1/ It's square and 2/ they intend to launch it with the Switch 2 SKU, that one is also probably gonna be severely overpriced.

They launched it at a permanent $20 discount vs og PS5 launch.

Complete version costs $70 on Xbox.

 

[Skifi28]

The source is bollocks, but actual numbers being similar wouldn't really surprise me. I was expecting these ports to be gamepass deals so Square can guarantee some profit up-front. Unless they got a double-deal just to port the games.

 

[Hashassin]

Well yes, that's because final fantasy 16 is ultra, mega ass.
Remember, they had to invent the term "character action game" for it.

 

[demigod]

Xbox fanboys kept begging for these ports but we all knew they weren't going to buy the games. Square's dumbass should've struck a gamepass deal, maybe they will force one in a month or two due to the piss poor sales.

 

[Three]

Dude, Even if this released day 1 on Xbox it wouldn't have sold much in there.

I know. it was sarcasm taking the piss out of people who were claiming SE's mistakes were taking exclusivity deals for FF.

 

[VolticArchangel]

Yeah, saw this when it was posted reddit subs.

My mind went straight to the thought of "Oh shit, Draugoth is gonna be feasting tonight..."

 

[Baemono]

an eventual GP offer

Every fricking time.

« Sales are low »
« Well, we don't have a GP offer yet, so… »

 

[Scrawnton]

Yep, they nailed the launch price there.

XVI launched too high, considering VII Remake is even older, it better fuckin' launch lower, lol. But considering that 1/ It's square and 2/ they intend to launch it with the Switch 2 SKU, that one is also probably gonna be severely overpriced.

FVIIR was available for $40 preorder on Steam when it launched IIRC. I know Rebirth was available for $42 (down from $70) as a preorder deal for Steam this past January.

If Square-Enix doesn't offer this same deal for Xbox and Switch 2, they can fuck off.

I'll be there day one on Switch 2 if they treat the fanbase with respect.

 

[AmuroChan]

Come on.

This game :
- is a late port
- is full price
- is technically weak
- sucks ass (we had two years to be well informed about this)

Sorry, but as an Xbox player, I have some standards. I played the demo, it was bad. Waiting for FF XVII.

The last two points are key. First two you can get away with if the game is really good. Sea of Thieves and FH5 sold great on PS5 at full price even though they're even older games than FF16.

 

[PlayStaytion]

Why blame Xbox gamers? Sounds like you think the game sucks ass.

The game will sell on sales over time. Lots of people have bought every FF game on Xbox. I have 1-15 and the spinoffs. The game bombed on PC also.

The exclusivity deal fucked them hard. People would have pre-ordered this before they knew how much it sucked. Would have likely done at least 1 million on Xbox at launch if it was day 1. Same for PC.

GamePass isn't for everyone, it widens your view to spend more. Those who only live on GamePass are either broke financially or stuck playing fewer games but didn't feel the need to spend more for the wrong reasons and the service is the right choice for these people.

 

[Jinxed]

Xbox can't move games. Xbox is gamepass or nothing. No wonder they are moving to become PC. Nobody will develop for Xbox after this is finally widely accepted so they will need to piggyback off PC to even get 3rd party support.

Games are seen as disposable by gamepass people so they don't value any individual game which leads to shit like Final Fantasy selling 22,000 copies and/or the end of the Xbox brand.

Things like this or the latest doom flop cannot keep happening without some sort of consequence coming eventually somewhere down the line. Think of the money lost. Think of the opportunity costs of profit generated. Even if this is a rounding error you have to imagine they will notice a pattern in that it is always rounding DOWN.

It's so obvious at this point that Xbox consoles don't sell games, you've got to be completely blind at this point or in denial to say otherwise.

 

[Ebrietas]

Lol at the pathetic damage control. Xbros always coming up with excuses for nonexistent sales. Can't accept that the console is borderline dead for game sales.

 

[memoryman3]

?
Judging from how many reviews the game has picked up on the Xbox Store, the port seems to be doing okay. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual numbers were at least twice as high as reported here.

And of course, the source is very dubious.

 

[Novaex]

Good for them (the xbox players). It's such a underwhelming game and bad Final fantasy.

 

[leo-j]

Why blame Xbox gamers? Sounds like you think the game sucks ass.

The game will sell on sales over time. Lots of people have bought every FF game on Xbox. I have 1-15 and the spinoffs. The game bombed on PC also.

The exclusivity deal fucked them hard. People would have pre-ordered this before they knew how much it sucked. Would have likely done at least 1 million on Xbox at launch if it was day 1. Same for PC.

in what dimension would a FF game have sold a million copies on launch day on xbox? In fact name a single XBOX game this gen that has sold a million copies on launch day on xbox. ANd please cite a source.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I love how Alinea is credible or fake news depending on what they're saying

Rumor Sales-Age  Thread 'Alinea Analytics estimates that Helldivers 2 has now sold 11.8M copies on Steam alone overall'

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From the same reliable source that claims Indiana Jones sold faster on PS5

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Helldivers 2 was 2024's breakout hit, and has now sold 11.8 million copies on Steam alone overall, generating revenues of $370 million. Helldivers 2 has been a huge hit for Sony – its biggest PC success to date and one of its biggest...

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[Heisenberg007]

 

[mckmas8808]

Or the game sucks and is too old + too expensive.

It's $50!

 

[mopspear]

Whoever wanted it, probably already got it by now. Also, it's a good game.

 

[Chukhopops]

Good job on Xbox players for keeping their money.

Just play Expedition 33 or Metaphor on GP if you want a real JRPG instead of some dumbed down action game with a Dragon Ball Z plot, zero challenge, zero level design and the highlight being a couple of set pieces where you press two buttons (they look good though).

 

[TGO]

SE has learned that in order to make money they need to stop with exclusivity and embrace multiplatform, they are leaving millions on the table..

 

[Arachnid]

Come on.

This game :
- is a late port
- is full price
- is technically weak
- sucks ass (we had two years to be well informed about this)

Sorry, but as an Xbox player, I have some standards. I played the demo, it was bad. Waiting for FF XVII.

Facts. I'm glad it sold ass.

 

[playbignbox]

The folks at Xbox recently received RPGs like Expedition 33, Oblivion and Metaphor on GamePass, so I'm not surprised that this game didn't generate any interest.

 

[GHG]

Ok, well, Control has sold ~5 million or more copies by now, I can't find a single tweet / article about that game from Piscatella either.

Plenty of news pieces about Alan Wake 2 tho, which was published by Epic, not 505 games.

Looking at their diverse portfolio in the last decade and not a single tweet from NPD/Circana, I think it's a safe bet 505 games is one of the publishers that doesn't share data with NPD/CIrcana.

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The point being, Death Stranding was in the top 5's of the Xbox paid app charts for a good while, from it's early nov launch well into December. I don't think archive.org would have dated pages for a live updating page like that, but that game did fairly well on Xbox going by its long standing on that top paid page.

Control was a slow burn for them in terms of sales as well and didn't light up the sales charts at any point across the world:

UK Sales Charts: Wreckfest Can't Catch Up with Astral Chain to Claim Number One

New releases duke it out

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UK Sales Charts: NBA 2K20 Slam Dunks a Number One Debut

Ballin'

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UK Sales Charts: Borderlands 3 Loots the Biggest Physical Launch of 2019

Score

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Managed to place 4th during it's release week and then completely fell away. That was at a time when it's sales were only 60% digital as well.

It was only after it finally released on Steam that sales for the game accelerated.

 

[adamsapple]

Control was a slow burn for them in terms of sales as well and didn't light up the sales charts at any point across the world:

UK Sales Charts: Wreckfest Can't Catch Up with Astral Chain to Claim Number One

New releases duke it out

www.pushsquare.com

UK Sales Charts: NBA 2K20 Slam Dunks a Number One Debut

Ballin'

www.pushsquare.com

UK Sales Charts: Borderlands 3 Loots the Biggest Physical Launch of 2019

Score

www.pushsquare.com

Managed to place 4th during it's release week and then completely fell away. That was at a time when it's sales were only 60% digital as well.

It was only after it finally released on Steam that sales for the game accelerated.

Sure, I agree with what you're saying about Control's performance, but again, even if were a bomb, you'd expect Mat to at least mention it in any single tweet, coming from a high profile dev like Remedy.

I just haven't seen any mention of 505 in any regards from them (NPD/Circana), it's very probably one of those pubs that doesn't report like Sandfall and Expedition 33. Not saying Death Stranding on Xbox did the same as EX33, before anyone picks this quote apart, .

 

[GHG]

Sure, I agree with what you're saying about Control's performance, but again, even if were a bomb, you'd expect Mat to at least mention it in any single tweet, coming from a high profile dev like Remedy.

I just haven't seen any mention of 505 in any regards from them (NPD/Circana), it's very probably one of those pubs that doesn't report like Sandfall and Expedition 33. Not saying Death Stranding on Xbox did the same as EX33, before anyone picks this quote apart, .

But he did specifically mention the likes of expedition 33 and BG3 right?

So he will make a public note of it if a game would otherwise have charted.

 

[adamsapple]

But he did specifically mention the likes of expedition 33 and BG3 right?

So he will make a public note of it if a game would otherwise have charted.

Well sure, both of those are bigger deals and frankly much better games than Death Stranding, ultimately.

 

[Hideous Snake]

Blame Xbox but don't blame this shite game

 

[rkofan87]

well its something.

 

[Calverz]

I'm waiting until it comes to gamepass

 

[jm89]

Imagine if the ps5 version outsold xbox that week....

 

[Naz93]

I don't think this game would've gotten a game pass deal as I imagine Sony has a clause for it to appear on their service first which it hasn't.

 

[Clear]

Entirely expected when you've trained your audience not to buy games!

Imagine if the whole industry was like that... Yikes.

 

[March Climber]

Xbox can't move games. Xbox is gamepass or nothing. No wonder they are moving to become PC. Nobody will develop for Xbox after this is finally widely accepted so they will need to piggyback off PC to even get 3rd party support.

Games are seen as disposable by gamepass people so they don't value any individual game which leads to shit like Final Fantasy selling 22,000 copies and/or the end of the Xbox brand.

Sure, you could make this argument, but do you really want to choose Final Fantasy 16 as the hill to make it on?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Sure, you could make this argument, but do you really want to choose Final Fantasy 16 as the hill to make it on?

Xbox folks did

 

[clarky]

Or the game sucks and is too old + too expensive.

Close the thread, we done here.

 

[mckmas8808]

Blame Xbox but don't blame this shite game

So why do so many people like FF 16?

 

[Hudo]

I don't understand why Square Enix refused to make Agni's Philosophy the next mainline Final Fantasy. That tech demo was fire and had much more interesting shit in it than all of FF15 and FF16 combined.

 

[March Climber]

Xbox folks did

Then they should be asked the same question.

 

[Hayabusabruh]

Good thing they didn't waste time trying to get it to run at a higher resolution than 720p. Xbox people can officially STFU when something skips Xbox.

 

[Hideous Snake]

So why do so many people like FF 16?

Because they got shit taste

 

[Heisenberg007]

So we have reached the "grapes are sour" stage. I wonder what's next.

 

[mckmas8808]

So we have reached the "grapes are sour" stage. I wonder what's next.

Amazing how that happens.

 

[adamsapple]

So we have reached the "grapes are sour" stage. I wonder what's next.

I dunno man, Google AI Overview is telling me it got mixed reception from PS5 only fans too

 

[Skifi28]

PS5 only fans

You're no doubt subscribed.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

See, I admit when I'm wrong

Post in thread 'Final Fantasy VII Remake and Final Fantasy 16 Coming to Xbox (VII-R Winter, 16 Out Today)' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/fina...-r-winter-16-out-today.1685084/post-270507626

I thought it might sell less than 10,000 copies but instead it sold a massive and growing 22,000 copies! What a huge success for Final Fantasy on Xbox! I'm so glad Square Enix ported this game for all the fans who've waited so long for this franchise to return!

 

[DreamcastSkies]

Reminds me of Gamecube 3rd party ports; ports 6+ months late to the party that are inferior to the versions already released and are often games that aren't exactly great and then the 3rd party publisher is shocked when the sales on Gamecube are lower than they were on PS2/Xbox. Final Fantasy XVI is not a game with an exceptional reputation. It and FFVII Rebirth underperforming are known best for being an argument for Final Fantasy being a brand dwindling in relevance.