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[Miyazaki’s Slave]

I hope Microsoft paid them to release the game on their platform. Or maybe its coming to gamepass soon-ish?

FF7R better be a banger for them on Xbox but given the support 16 is getting I cannot see that happening.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Where are all the butthurt Xbox fans now who were claiming that foregoing xbox was the reason the game underperformed?!?

WTF are these sales?!?!

Xbox games sales are complete shit.... GamePass really fucked publishers on the platform.

 

[seb85]

They should have struck a gamepass deal , would have made more money for them

 

[Topher]

I love how Alinea is credible or fake news depending on what they're saying

Rumor Sales-Age  Thread 'Alinea Analytics estimates that Helldivers 2 has now sold 11.8M copies on Steam alone overall'

Jun 4, 2025

May’s top Steam games by copies sold: Two new big launches, Helldivers 2’s return, and ongoing indie smash hits

It’s that time again. We already published our May data on Steam’s top new games by revenues, but now it’s time to look at the top-performing Steam games by copies sold.

alineaanalytics.com

From the same reliable source that claims Indiana Jones sold faster on PS5

Helldivers 2 was May's #5 Steam game by copies sold, selling another 537K copies – the most it's sold on the platform since April 2024. Let's div … sigh … jump in.


Helldivers 2 was 2024's breakout hit, and has now sold 11.8 million copies on Steam alone overall, generating revenues of $370 million. Helldivers 2 has been a huge hit for Sony – its biggest PC success to date and one of its biggest...

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They are getting shit from folks on twitter for saying they used review numbers as reference points:



How the hell are the number of reviews a "reference point" for anything? These guys are a joke.

 

[rodrigolfp]

It's $50!

I would pay maybe $30 because the 720p performance mode.

 

[Papa_Wisdom]

Wonder how many copies Final Fantasy VII Remake will sell on Xbox if it's not on Gamepass, because it's quite obvious that Xbox owners are no longer interested in buying games.

And don't start with the "will wait till it's free on gamepass". Nothing is free on gamepass, stop paying and you can't play shit. Same as "free" on PS Plus. Once the sub ends you can't play anyone of those "free" monthly games

I don't have gamepass and I plan on buying remake even though I have it on pc. This one though, nah not interested.

 

[Quasicat]

It shadow dropped last week and I am tapped out of my June gaming budget. Perhaps in July I will pick it up, but I don't just throw money at my console when something comes out unannounced.

 

[Killer8]

87/100 Metacritic and 84/100 user review scores, and suddenly the game became "trash" just because Xbox gamers (as usual) didn't buy it. lol

Don't forget the PlayStation store ratings (where you need to own the game):

The idea that FF16 was not well received is nothing but cope from terminally online nerds who are out of touch with reality.

 

[Neofire]

Was this released on GP?

 

[MacReady13]

A two year old Final Fantasy entry which probably is one of the weakest in the history of the IP, released almost at full price, only digital. Yep, I guess SE expected hundreds of thousands of units sold in a week.

Like Forza Horizon 5 on PS5? Or Sea of Thieves on PS5? And like Gear of War will do on PS5?

 

[MacReady13]

Was this released on GP?

Nope. Hence why no one on Xbox is playing it. Once they need to buy something instead of renting it, they won't do it. Microsoft has conditioned its userbase to wait for games to appear on gamepass to play them.

 

[Bernardougf]

1 - xbox gamers dont buy games anymore

2 and more important- this game sux

 

[Aenima]

Square-Enix did the right call porting the game. After all, there are dozens of us... DOZENS!!!!

I really liked the game, i dont understand where these ppl caslling the game trash are coming from, but its the best main FF game since the PS2. You can argue that is not a good RPG, or not a good Final Fantasy, but it is a pretty good game with a very satisfying action combat system (Once you equip the Titan skill for block/ counter attack) and some sick boss battles and setpieces. Also one of the best FF main characters and pretty nice story as well.

 

[mayham2199]

Square-Enix did the right call porting the game. After all, there are dozens of us... DOZENS!!!!

I really liked the game, i dont understand where these ppl caslling the game trash are coming from, but its the best main FF game since the PS2. You can argue that is not a good RPG, or not a good Final Fantasy, but it is a pretty good game with a very satisfying action combat system (Once you equip the Titan skill for block/ counter attack) and some sick boss battles and setpieces. Also one of the best FF main characters and pretty nice story as well.

Yea I've given up on trying to defend the game. I loved it and got the plat. Sure it has issues but over I enjoyed it.

 

[Aenima]

Don't forget the PlayStation store ratings (where you need to own the game):

The idea that FF16 was not well received is nothing but cope from terminally online nerds who are out of touch with reality.

And PSN ratings only let ppl with the digital version of the game, rate it. I have the physical version and cant rate the game on the PS Store.

 

[Sooner]

And that's why Xbox-only gamers can't have nice stuff.

 

[Neofire]

Nope. Hence why no one on Xbox is playing it. Once they need to buy something instead of renting it, they won't do it. Microsoft has conditioned its userbase to wait for games to appear on gamepass to play them.

You are right I want to say it would have been better to put it on a Nintendo switch 2 but with that user base they hardly buy anything outside of Nintendo games. Even though FF7 remake released on it when the system launched and we haven't heard anything about it.

 

[adamsapple]

They are getting shit from folks on twitter for saying they used review numbers as reference points:



How the hell are the number of reviews a "reference point" for anything? These guys are a joke.

These 'sales' estimates are derived from USER REVIEW COUNT?

fucking lol. I thought Alinea did their estimates based on some kind of internal store reporting or something.

 

[Roberts]

Out of curiosity I just checked that 3,777 TrueAchivements users have unlocked at least one achievement in the game. That is already a pretty good indicator that a lot more than just 22K people have bought it. For comparison's sake 663K TA users have unlocked at least one achievement in Forza Horizon 5 and we all know tens of millions have played it.

 

[Arsic]

A two year old Final Fantasy entry which probably is one of the weakest in the history of the IP, released almost at full price, only digital. Yep, I guess SE expected hundreds of thousands of units sold in a week.

Keep weaving whatever narrative you want.

Xbox consumers are non existent.

If I'm a developer I won't even bother making a game for this abandoned hardware unless it's call of duty or fifa.

Fucking ps4 games sell more than Xbox series x. And yes, ps4, not ps5.

Xbox is a joke. Ditch the series S and X entirely there's nothing to gain monetary wise here unless you grab the Xbox gamepass bag because you know no one will buy an actual copy.

 

[GHG]

These 'sales' estimates are derived from USER REVIEW COUNT?

fucking lol. I thought Alinea did their estimates based on some kind of internal store reporting or something.

Hold on now, not so fast, don't doubt them:

Games Market Data. On a mission to equip game studios and financial institutions with accurate data and powerful tools. Data-driven decisions with confidence.

"Powerful tools" you know.

 

[adamsapple]

Hold on now, not so fast, don't doubt them:



"Powerful tools" you know.

VGChartz 2.0.

 

[Mr Moose]

Hold on now, not so fast, don't doubt them:



"Powerful tools" you know.

VGChartz 2.0.

They should become a banned source imo.

 

[Danny22]

I hope this causes them to put remake and rebirth day 1 on gamepass because those games aren't selling either.

 

[Danny22]

in what dimension would a FF game have sold a million copies on launch day on xbox? In fact name a single XBOX game this gen that has sold a million copies on launch day on xbox. ANd please cite a source.

Call of duty if that counts? Elden ring for third parties. But yeah, that'd be a sad list.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

People arguing about the veracity of the number are missing the point entirely. This is in the realm of "Viral Marketing," just as a Twitter post stating players reached/engaged. It's funny because Phil was the one saying viral marketing was going to create FOMO. I think the vast majority of games on Xbox have had awful "viral marketing". Regardless, it's clear that the game didn't sell 3M copies either (which is garbage, right?). Oh boy, this "cycle of violence" can't keep going. If Xbox wants publishers to release games on its platform, this constant blame-shifting onto the platform, business model, and its consumers has to stop. Is it going to?....nah, they are fucked.

 

[BennyBlanco]

They are getting shit from folks on twitter for saying they used review numbers as reference points:



How the hell are the number of reviews a "reference point" for anything? These guys are a joke.

I wonder why the fuck gamesindustry.biz was citing them like their numbers are real. I also wonder why they would present numbers like they're facts and not estimates. I knew these guys were frauds when they first popped up and I looked at their website which was slapped together in 20 mins on SquareSpace.

 

[Topher]

I wonder why the fuck gamesindustry.biz was citing them like their numbers are real. I also wonder why they would present numbers like they're facts and not estimates. I knew these guys were frauds when they first popped up and I looked at their website which was slapped together in 20 mins on SquareSpace.

Probably because gamesindustry is ultimately just another video game news outlet like the rest and this is easy clickbait. Only a handful of actual data analysts are newsworthy and that's because they get data directly and only for a specific region such as Circana.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Shocking. Xbox fans do not buy or support games and this was WELL before Gamepass and Gamepass conditioned them even further to not buy games. I expected FF16 to perform poorly on XBOX, but not this poor especially for a major title with a budget price.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Probably because gamesindustry is ultimately just another video game news outlet like the rest and this is easy clickbait. Only a handful of actual data analysts are newsworthy and that's because they get data directly and only for a specific region such as Circana.

also aren't they now owned by IGN?

 

[Topher]

also aren't they now owned by IGN?

yeah, they were part of IGN's shopping spree, weren't they?

 

[RoboFu]

That's 21,000 too many.. that one guy though.. he deserves a bad time.

 

[Nydius]

Don't know why people are laughing at the folks pointing out that it launched at too high a price point.

If someone has both systems, why would they want to spend $50 for the base game on Xbox when they could get it for half that on PS5? If someone only has an Xbox, why would they want to spend $50 when the PS5 version price basically tells them there's going to be deep sales eventually?

I digress. People are blaming Game Pass and I'm sure that plays a role but let's not also forget that Final Fantasy games sold abysmally on the platform long before Game Pass was a thing. I remember the "One Last Thing..." surprise at E3 2008 when Final Fantasy XIII was announced to simultaneously release for X360 and PS3. People at the Microsoft showcase were ecstatic and the gaming press was losing their minds that Final Fantasy was finally coming to Xbox! Then FF13 went on to sell the lowest on the Xbox platform despite that being the generation Xbox was in closest competition with PlayStation.

Since then it's been the same old story whether it's been Final Fantasy or other S-E RPGs like Octopath Traveler. They've performed the worst on Xbox platforms. I know it's a practically a meme at this point but, by and large, the Xbox audience doesn't care for JRPGs.

 

[Buggy Loop]

So shit sales like on PC

Its as if that if you miss the day 1 FOMO and your game is truely crud outside of the demo that hyped everyone up that word of mouth goes around and peoples skip on it? Uh

 

[Punished Miku]

Xbox consumers are non existent.

I buy a ton of stuff. Just didn't feel like buying this crappy game at full price. I just bought a game 5 min ago and don't even remember what it was because I buy so much.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

So shit sales like on PC

Its as if that if you miss the day 1 FOMO and your game is truely crud outside of the demo that hyped everyone up that word of mouth goes around and peoples skip on it? Uh

https://steamdb.info/app/2515020/charts/

It sold ~650k on PC, which is a far cry from 22,000 on Xbox

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

Don't know why people are laughing at the folks pointing out that it launched at too high a price point.

If someone has both systems, why would they want to spend $50 for the base game on Xbox when they could get it for half that on PS5? If someone only has an Xbox, why would they want to spend $50 when the PS5 version price basically tells them there's going to be deep sales eventually?

I digress. People are blaming Game Pass and I'm sure that plays a role but let's not also forget that Final Fantasy games sold abysmally on the platform long before Game Pass was a thing. I remember the "One Last Thing..." surprise at E3 2008 when Final Fantasy XIII was announced to simultaneously release for X360 and PS3. People at the Microsoft showcase were ecstatic and the gaming press was losing their minds that Final Fantasy was finally coming to Xbox! Then FF13 went on to sell the lowest on the Xbox platform despite that being the generation Xbox was in closest competition with PlayStation.

Since then it's been the same old story whether it's been Final Fantasy or other S-E RPGs like Octopath Traveler. They've performed the worst on Xbox platforms. I know it's a practically a meme at this point but, by and large, the Xbox audience doesn't care for JRPGs.

It's a mixture bro. Mid game launching after launch hype and a userbase that's been conditioned not to buy games.
If stellar blade also launched on Xbox this week not in gamepass it also wouldn't have sold on this platform.

Just look at any 3rd party game launching on all systems simultaneously. Sales are next to non existent on Xbox. Even the Devs for Clair obscure were smart enough to realise this and took the gamepass money.

 

[Buggy Loop]

https://steamdb.info/app/2515020/charts/

It sold ~650k on PC, which is a far cry from 22,000 on Xbox

At 2 months it was 289k estimated

Thread 'Final Fantasy 16 Extremely Underperformed On PC; Sold Only 289K Units Since Launch'

Nov 15, 2024

• Final Fantasy 16 didn't launch to massive numbers on Steam.
• A new report reveals that the game has sold only 289K copies on Steam since its launch.
• Square Enix is now shifting its focus to releasing games on different platforms to attract more sales.

Square Enix launched Final Fantasy 16 exclusively on the PlayStation 5 in mid-2023. The sales were pretty good, given it was launched on a single console, but Square Enix always has high expectations for its franchises.

So, the gaming giant finally released the game on PC in September to attract more players...

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God knows what in a week. Overall not setting any world on fire and of course, by S-E metrics, a disappointment

 

[kazuyamishima]

Alinea Analytics is not a reliable source.

 

[Unknown?]

The only thing which sucks here is not the game, nor the sales, but the source

"Alina analytics confirms" lol

Right, they're known to inflate Xbox numbers while understating PS numbers. It's likely half of this, 11,000 max.

 

[kevboard]

Because square enix acted like the xbox platform was going to magically produce a million to two million sales for this game and it was never going to happen. Xbox gamers simply don't buy games like nintendo/playstation guys and relying on the xbox platform to make a profit sales wise is fools gold. It's just a fact at this point. They should've struck a gamepass deal and called it a day.


Edit: I do think ff15 and ff16 suck ass and i stand by that.

if they released it day 1 on PC and Xbox it would have sold way better.

bad word of mouth meant that it bombed both on PC and Xbox.
it's now known to be mediocre at best, that wasn't the case when it was fresh on the market. back then it still had some hype around it.

there's nothing worse than launching a game that has a bad reputation late on another system. this has nothing to do with Xbox... the game's trash, that's why it didn't sell. unless you want to also claim PC players don't buy games, which is demonstrably wrong... yet it bombed there too.

FF7 will sell way better

 

[Superkewl]

The only thing which sucks here is not the game, nor the sales, but the source

"Alina analytics confirms" lol

Yeah, I thought I heard these guys were garbage, like vgchartz

 

[Gambit2483]

22,000 whole sales. SE might be onto something with these Xbox releases.

 

[Unknown?]

Yeah, I thought I heard these guys were garbage, like vgchartz

Yup they inflate Xbox numbers like VGChartz.

 

[kazuyamishima]

Yup they inflate Xbox numbers like VGChartz.

TBH, they got better.

But how they can estimate xbox numbers if even MS doesn't publish them anymore.

 

[poppabk]

I am here to lure all the people that love to say alinea analytics is not reliable, into this thread

Alinea Analytics is not reliable.

 

[adamsapple]

Right, they're known to inflate Xbox numbers while understating PS numbers. It's likely half of this, 11,000 max.

They're known to?

Where? Surely you must have something to back this up.

 

[Topher]

Right, they're known to inflate Xbox numbers while understating PS numbers. It's likely half of this, 11,000 max.

22k is inflating numbers?

They are pulling numbers out of their ass. Why don't we leave it at that?

 

[nikolino840]

Out of curiosity I just checked that 3,777 TrueAchivements users have unlocked at least one achievement in the game. That is already a pretty good indicator that a lot more than just 22K people have bought it. For comparison's sake 663K TA users have unlocked at least one achievement in Forza Horizon 5 and we all know tens of millions have played it.

i don't know..i bought the game after the showcase and for now not even installed...i'm playing something else

 

[Gripsx]

imagine how they feel for ff7 coming this year