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[Punished Miku]

I'm sure we can trust your opinion, after all you claimed Hellblade 2 was a master piece.

I honestly don't expect most people here to ever agree with my taste in games and I don't go around really recommending people play stuff. This thread is about what Xbox gamers are choosing to buy on day 1. I was just talking about myself and what I will buy. I'm more looking forward to SH2, as I said. The only issue is how much that triggers people here apparently.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Eh, I was going post something, but decided that I didn't want to get involved

 

[Mattyp]

They based their sales report on how many reviews the game got, how is this even being posted or reported on?

Trueachievements is tracking over 4,000 people playing this game on Xbox yet them only having 1m members on the site out of 35-40m xbox consoles.

 

[adamsapple]

FYI, both versions of FF16 are now on #11 and #18 of the Top Paid page on Xbox.com respectively, and climbing.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/store/top-paid/games/xbox

I'm sorry to all the folks who had their hopes and dreams pinned on 'lol 20k only'

 

[Heisenberg007]

FYI, both versions of FF16 are now on #11 and #18 of the Top Paid page on Xbox.com respectively, and climbing.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/store/top-paid/games/xbox

I'm sorry to all the folks who had their hopes and dreams pinned on 'lol 20k only'

#11 and #18 are all relative.

They could be selling merely <100 copies at #11 and we would have no idea.

 

[jm89]

FYI, both versions of FF16 are now on #11 and #18 of the Top Paid page on Xbox.com respectively, and climbing.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/store/top-paid/games/xbox

I'm sorry to all the folks who had their hopes and dreams pinned on 'lol 20k only'

Xbox #11 is like psn #567

 

[Topher]

FYI, both versions of FF16 are now on #11 and #18 of the Top Paid page on Xbox.com respectively, and climbing.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/store/top-paid/games/xbox

I'm sorry to all the folks who had their hopes and dreams pinned on 'lol 20k only'

No cheevos count? No reviews?

 

[Madflavor]

I know this isn't surprising, but those numbers are still crazy to see. FFXIII and FFXV really did serious damage to the franchise, I don't care how much they sold. If those games were universally loved by most people, FFVII Remake and FFXVI would've ridden off the waves of the success of their predecessors. Seeing how XVI and Rebirth did, this series is in serious fucking trouble. I think Square really needs to accept that Final Fantasy is nowhere near the level of popularity it used to have, and they need to start treating it like an IP that needs to prove itself once more.

I hope they took a good hard look at Clair Obsur. A banger of an RPG, turn based combat, great story, and all on a AA budget. They should seriously consider scaling back the budget of these games. This toxic mentality they have of Final Fantasy games always needing to push the graphical limits, is really starting to hurt their bottom line.

 

[adamsapple]

#11 and #18 are all relative.

They could be selling merely <100 copies at #11 and we would have no idea.

Why even be that generous, why not say they're merely selling <50 copies, you know you want to

It "debuted" at #431 shortly after the shadow drop announcement, without any prior pre order window etc but after a week, it has climbed up to #11, and will possibly climb up higher.

No cheevos count? No reviews?

Tweeting to Alinea right now

 

[rofif]

Says the guy that has a good PC but still clings on to his PS5.

I cling to what I like to play on and games. Both thing Xbox sucks on for years now.
But liking Xbox over ps5 is like loving the husband who is alcoholic and beats you. Makes no sense.

 

[rofif]

Because their mindset regarding Exbox is still in 2006.

Like those Japanese soldiers they just never gave up and moved on.

Yeah. I had Xbox 360. I still have it and tons of games. But I saw WTF was going on and ran to ps4. Makes no sense to stay on Xbox and look for excuses why it's not so bad

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Did we expect anything else?

I love the game but it didn't sell super great on a platform where JRPGs are super popular so why would it sell well on a platform that:

• Similar games have never and will never sell well partially due to be extremely western focused since its inception.
• Users have been conditioned to not buy games in general.

JRPGs will never be popular on Xbox. Outside of the 360 Xbox has always had piss poor Japanese support. They have always half assed (might still be stretching it) their attempt at appealing to the Japanese market.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

21,000 copies too many for a late and overpriced port of a shit game.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Why even be that generous, why not say they're merely selling <50 copies, you know you want to

It "debuted" at #431 shortly after the shadow drop announcement, without any prior pre order window etc but after a week, it has climbed up to #11, and will possibly climb up higher.

Again, these numbers are relative to each other, cover a very short time period, and really don't tell us anything.

For all we know, the game could have sold more copies at #431 than it's selling currently on #11. Because it all depends on how many actually number of copies the other games that are ahead on the list are selling.

It's not that hard to understand, really.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

I cling to what I like to play on and games. Both thing Xbox sucks on for years now.
But liking Xbox over ps5 is like loving the husband who is alcoholic and beats you. Makes no sense.

I know people love to hate on Xbox but this is a stretch. There are still reasons to prefer Xbox over other platforms similar to how you prefer PlayStation over other platforms.

 

[Heisenberg007]

FYI, both versions of FF16 are now on #11 and #18 of the Top Paid page on Xbox.com respectively, and climbing.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/store/top-paid/games/xbox

I'm sorry to all the folks who had their hopes and dreams pinned on 'lol 20k only'

You're putting so much into this list where Wolfenstein 2 (#3) and Dungeon Master's Champions of Renown Bundle (#5) are outselling Minecraft (#10) and Red Dead Redemption 2 (#16).

Or do you really think that Wolfenstein and Dungeon Master is selling millions of copies, enough to actually outsell Minecraft? LOL.

 

[adamsapple]

For all we know, the game could have sold more copies at #431 than it's selling currently on #11. Because it all depends on how many actually number of copies the other games that are ahead on the list are selling.

Frankly it would be a miracle of numbers and sales as we know it if something was selling more copies at #431 than at #11 a week apart with little to no disturbance or major changes in the rest of the things on sale.

But, sure, you're welcome to spin this to the degree it works.

The conclusion is that the game's probably gonna sell decently on the platform and the audience which wants it on Xbox will now be able to get it, and at least we can be safe Square will deprioritize platform only exclusives going forward, a net positive for everyone.

 

[rofif]

I know people love to hate on Xbox but this is a stretch. There are still reasons to prefer Xbox over other platforms similar to how you prefer PlayStation over other platforms.

There are no reasons. All the best games are on other platforms. Gamepass is a cheap ass non gamer crap for fake gamers who pretend this is their hobby. Psn+ is still better (I dont have any of those)
You are actively hurting your enjoyment if you are picking xbox over other competitors. Makes no sense. There is nothing there that's not on other consoles... but it runs worse, plays worse (no dualsense stuff) and lacks the some of the best pc or ps5 games that are not there.
If you are exclusively xbox gamer, you waited for years to play f16 and 7 remake. Waited for years to play wukong, Waited longer to play BG3,
Continue to wait for ff7 rebirth which might never come. Same with Rise of Ronin
Waited years for Death Stranding, Some ps5/4 exclusives... If you are exclusively xbox gamer you never played last guardian, bloodborne, Demons souls, returnal.
Even Nier automata came out year later. Stellar Blade? good luck. Astro, ratchet, forspoken (f you, great game), horizon, infamous.... etc etc etc.

if you are exclusively xbox game, you are hurting only your experience and not proving anyone, anything.
But hey, gamepass ! you can play indie games and rare normal game for 15$

 

[Punished Miku]

For all we know, the game could have sold more copies at #431 than it's selling currently on #11. Because it all depends on how many actually number of copies the other games that are ahead on the list are selling.

So you have doubts about this 22,000? Sounds like you're trespassing in the thread bucko.

 

[MarV0]

I cling to what I like to play on and games. Both thing Xbox sucks on for years now.
But liking Xbox over ps5 is like loving the husband who is alcoholic and beats you. Makes no sense.

Playstation is much more anti-consumer than the Xbox division and that is a fact.

As for the subjective part of your argument: It's far weirder and way less common for someone to prefer a PS5 over a gaming PC than an Xbox over a Playstation.

 

[rofif]

Playstation is much more anti-consumer than the Xbox division and that is a fact.

As for the subjective part of your argument: It's far weirder and way less common for someone to prefer a PS5 over a gaming PC than an Xbox over a Playstation.

Lol do you play games with that consumer friendlines on xbox? right...
I also prefer "friendliness" rather than playing good video games

 

[dragonyeuw]

The game is 2 years old on PS5 and nearly a year on PC. Beyond the 'Microsoft has conditioned Xbox gamers to not buy games' thing, I reckon most of the players who wanted it have purchased it on those platforms( not like it lit the world on fire on PC either, so I would expect Xbox sales to be a fraction of a fraction of that). It's also entirely possible that amongst the modern audience, the brand doesn't quite have the same pedigree as it did when FFs VI to X dropped. A new Persona seems to generate more buzz nowadays, at least casually observing.

 

[Ebrietas]

Stellar Blade says Hi!
If there is audience, there is sales. Even 1 year later.
It's just shows that xbox crowd (and there is xbox-only crowd) has no interest in jrpg. Not that it's something new and unusual, xbox fans ignored jrpg since x360 days.

It's like people forgot that FF sold pretty poorly even on 360 and xbone despite releasing on day 1 and even with big marketing deals.

 

[Ebrietas]

You green rats always have excuses for everything. Forza Horizon 5 is almost 4 years vs FF16's 2 year late port, $59.99 vs $49.99, that's $10 more even though it released way later too.

What's the next excuse for when The Outer Worlds 2 bombs, folks saving money for trick or treating?

You have to understand that for a popular game to sell well on Xbox a hundred different preconditions have to be met first. And then on top of that all the stars have to be perfectly aligned on release day. If any of these are even slightly off then you can forget about the whole thing. Xbox users won't be interested.

All of this is clearly obvious to those who are not blind Xbox haters.

 

[the_master]

The game is great. People saying it is trash really don't know what they are taking about.
Their "Eikons"(Eidolons, Summons, GFs) combat scenes are AMAZING. Really top-quality, expensive moments well worth playing the game.
Just skip secondary missions and focus on the main one.

 

[RoboFu]

The game is great. People saying it is trash really don't know what they are taking about.
Their "Eikons"(Eidolons, Summons, GFs) combat scenes are AMAZING. Really top-quality, expensive moments well worth playing the game.
Just skip secondary missions and focus on the main one.

But those are exactly one of problems.. too long and drawn out .. press y to fire!

Good Graphics and 1 hour cutscene battles do not make a good game.

 

[BennyBlanco]

They are getting shit from folks on twitter for saying they used review numbers as reference points:



How the hell are the number of reviews a "reference point" for anything? These guys are a joke.

He deleted the tweet. Can't have people knowing you're pulling these numbers directly out of your ass and acting like it's hard data.

 

[IFireflyl]

There are no reasons. All the best games are on other platforms. Gamepass is a cheap ass non gamer crap for fake gamers who pretend this is their hobby. Psn+ is still better (I dont have any of those)
You are actively hurting your enjoyment if you are picking xbox over other competitors. Makes no sense. There is nothing there that's not on other consoles... but it runs worse, plays worse (no dualsense stuff) and lacks the some of the best pc or ps5 games that are not there.
If you are exclusively xbox gamer, you waited for years to play f16 and 7 remake. Waited for years to play wukong, Waited longer to play BG3,
Continue to wait for ff7 rebirth which might never come. Same with Rise of Ronin
Waited years for Death Stranding, Some ps5/4 exclusives... If you are exclusively xbox gamer you never played last guardian, bloodborne, Demons souls, returnal.
Even Nier automata came out year later. Stellar Blade? good luck. Astro, ratchet, forspoken (f you, great game), horizon, infamous.... etc etc etc.

if you are exclusively xbox game, you are hurting only your experience and not proving anyone, anything.
But hey, gamepass ! you can play indie games and rare normal game for 15$

Now that you mention it, Forespoken not being available on Xbox is actually the best argument for people to get an Xbox.

 

[rofif]

Now that you mention it, Forespoken not being available on Xbox is actually the best argument for people to get an Xbox.

I would buy a ps5 just for forspoken if I didn't already had 2

 

[adamsapple]

Now that you mention it, Forespoken not being available on Xbox is actually the best argument for people to get an Xbox.

 

[Valonquar]

Well yeah... everyone that cared had already bought a PS5, or played it on PC.

 

[Banjo64]

xboi's in this thread: sorry we have high standards of quality

also xboi's back in 2023: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/redfall-ot-left-with-dead.1656048/

GG.

Will dive into this in a couple of days. Hopefully launch day issues get ironed out fast.

I enjoyed the intro. The game shines when you're in close quarters with a flashlight. The open world doesn't seem to add anything really and is pretty empty. Game has some major texture issues and jank but the actual gunplay feels pretty good. Playing the raven guy. Wish you had more powers. So far it seems like an average game with technical issues. I've played a lot worse.

Played the first mission, stumbled upon a pack of three vampires and some cultists and died en route to the second mission. Game world and character models and lore items you pick up just ooze Arkane.

Hated the pistol gunplay but the shotguns I have gotten feel great. I started on Series X while the game downloaded on my PC. Feels fine at 30fps but will feel way better on PC at 60+ or whenever console gets 60.

Game seems solid so far, will have to get further in to experience more and also need to try the co-op. I know they said you can play and enjoy the game entirely in single player but it seems like it's designed for co-op.

Initial impressions. Looks like a good Xbox One X game, as in nice but not really next gen. Framepacing is saving the 30fps as it's solid which is relief, both on Series X and S.
Liking the combat once I got controls adjusted, level 2 sensitivity and default speed, although needs more tweaking.
Shooting is very satisfying as is staking and some nice storytelling to be found as well as useful abilities so you can approach situations differently.
Loving the atmosphere so far and haven't seen any glitches the day one patch seems to have sorted most stuff shown in previews. Fast loading and smooth, so enjoyable so far but nothing special.

Died a couple more times on the second mission but finally beat it. AI ranges from laughably horrible to quite competent if you get enough cultists grouped up. Vampires so far have always been solid. Found some assault rifles, which feel great to shoot, some sniper rifles, and a UV ray gun, which seems super weak. It seems like it's maybe designed to be used in tandem with other players shooting the vampires.

Need to find some good controller settings. What have you people been using?

Enjoying the game so far. Seems like a solid 7.

Yeah, I've always been a big fan of Arkane stuff and this has gripped me right from the beginning so I'm happy enough with it so far. Probably not doing the game justice as I've got most of the settings on medium and playing about 40fps on my ancient potato.

The levels are honestly awesome. Some very large east coast New England style houses. At mission 2 now and found the vampire cave. Its pretty fun.

I personally don't mind dumb AI. Just feels like a breezy beat em up with guns.

The music, really all the sounds, are exceptional. The indistinct coughs and whispers add a lot to the atmosphere.

Killed the first vampire god, took the path to the second area. Game really picks up in every aspect at that point, it even looks better than the first area.

Really get the feel a lot of reviews never went past it.

I like the game too, it's fun and I'm enjoying my time with it despite the obvious flaws/bugs it has. I'm sure those will be ironed out over time, in the meantime it's perfectly playable and the bugs I encountered thus far are not game breaking in any way. ~10 hours in I would rate it a solid 75.

Looks like plenty of people are playing the game.

 

[Punished Miku]

xboi's in this thread: sorry we have high standards of quality

also xboi's back in 2023: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/redfall-ot-left-with-dead.1656048/

You should try it lol. I rated Redfall a 6 I think. Gave XVI a 7.5. Redfall I actually really enjoyed but it had some big technical flaws. XVI I didnt enjoy but it is generally polished without technical issues. I didnt buy Redfall at all, let alone day 1, but I will when its $10 since it has an offline mode now. I'll get XVI on sale as well.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

You forgot this one from the same thread

Cleared another area of the first neighborhood, finding it hard to garner any interest in continuing. I'm sure better stuff opens up eventually (I think I have four or five skulls now and still don't know what they are for) but the base gameplay has just become super boring. It's also funny that all of this talk about vampires and shit and the only things to kill me so far are defense lasers and snipers.

I can't think of anything this game does that State of Decay 2 doesn't also do and do way better and that game came out like five years ago. Also makes me wonder how bad Scalebound must have been for them to cancel that and release this. So far I would rate this like a 4/10. Even the cooler dark scary buildings aren't doing anything for me anymore when the vampires all look alike and attack the same.

Didn't have time for trash games back then, don't have time for trash FFXVI now. Good luck to Squeenix though.

 

[Gambit2483]

21,000 copies too many for a late and overpriced port of a shit game.

So basically SE shouldn't even have bothered..?

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

So basically SE shouldn't even have bothered..?

To make FFXVI? Yes. We could have gotten Vagrant Story 2.

 

[Artistic]

Shadow dropped. Plus Final Fantasy/JRPGs aren't what they once was.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Shadow dropped. Plus Final Fantasy/JRPGs aren't what they once was.

Oblivion Remastered was shadow dropped

 

[kevboard]

Oblivion Remastered was shadow dropped

and is a good game... key difference there

 

[Unknown Soldier]

and is a good game... key difference there

It's so hilarious watching the Green Rats demanding everyone agree with them about what games are good or not

I enjoyed FFXVI, I played it on PS5 when it launched, and I don't regret playing it

So did 3 million other people on PS5

When one platform has 3 million sold, another platform has 650k sold, and another platform has 22k sold, that's not a game problem. That's a platform problem

 

[adamsapple]

It's so hilarious watching the Green Rats demanding everyone agree with them about what games are good or not

Yeah man all those green rats in the OT and various other topics since 2023 who've had mixed opinions about the game. They all bought PS5's and played the game in the off chance that there'd be a topic like this about it 2 years after the release.

Stay cute, bros

PS, you might wanna stop using that 22k number, it's fabrication.

 

[Three]

Shits hilarious. adamsapple and DarkMage619 liking this post about the number of reviews indicating possibly double the sales:

?
Judging from how many reviews the game has picked up on the Xbox Store, the port seems to be doing okay. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual numbers were at least twice as high as reported here.

And of course, the source is very dubious.

Only to find out and ridicule that exact same source being lower later on.

 

[adamsapple]

Shits hilarious. adamsapple and DarkMage619 liking this post about the number of reviews indicating possibly double the sales:


Only to find out and ridicule that exact same source being lower later on.

Yes, imagine a forum poster saying that it's probably doing ok being the same thing as an estimates website publishing reports online and only telling people via tweet replies what their metric for the highly publicized estimates is.

Totally the same thing.

 

[Mattyp]

It's so hilarious watching the Green Rats demanding everyone agree with them about what games are good or not

I enjoyed FFXVI, I played it on PS5 when it launched, and I don't regret playing it

So did 3 million other people on PS5

When one platform has 3 million sold, another platform has 650k sold, and another platform has 22k sold, that's not a game problem. That's a platform problem

Why do you keep reposting this absolute dribble shit of 22,000 sold? You realise how they landed that 22,000 number don't you or didn't bother researching.

 

[Three]

Yes, imagine a forum poster saying that it's probably doing ok being the same thing as an estimates website publishing reports online and only telling people via tweet replies what their metric for the highly publicized estimates is.

Totally the same thing.

So doing ok based on number of reviews: in fact a made up x2 the amount
Doing bad based on number of reviews:

I have a hunch you have some confirmation bias going on in your data seeking.

 

[demigod]

BS numbers pulled from their ass.

Called it last month with Alinea when they said the same number of copies of Doom sold between xbox and ps.

 

[Artistic]

Oblivion Remastered was shadow dropped

Read the 2nd sentence.

 

[Heisenberg007]

So you have doubts about this 22,000? Sounds like you're trespassing in the thread bucko.

Reading is indeed hard for some people.

 

[Roberts]

Tried the demo yesterday and barely endured that dull intro with shitty VA, absolutely no self-awareness of how terrible the writing is. And that godawful character design. Barely made through it without falling asleep. Then I got back to Doom: The Dark Ages and I suddenly remembered what a fun game looks like. I will probably buy FF16 when it drops to like 10 euros and see if the full game gets any better.

 

[rofif]

Tried the demo yesterday and barely endured that dull intro with shitty VA, absolutely no self-awareness of how terrible the writing is. And that godawful character design. Barely made through it without falling asleep. Then I got back to Doom: The Dark Ages and I suddenly remembered what a fun game looks like. I will probably buy FF16 when it drops to like 10 euros and see if the full game gets any better.

Too serious?
This is one of the best demos ever