Alinea Analytics: Final Fantasy XVI sold 22,000 copies on Xbox

Unknown? said:
Was referencing your VGChartz 2.0 post.
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I'm sorry, maybe I'm a bit confused, are you talking about VGChartz or this new Alinea place? I don't think Alinea has ever been 'known' to inflate Xbox numbers if that's what you were talking about.

Hell, if they're using user review counts, they're probably deflating it. I've got 200+ items on my purchased list, I haven't left a review for a single thing.
 
adamsapple said:
I'm sorry, maybe I'm a bit confused, are you talking about VGChartz or this new Alinea place? I don't think Alinea has ever been 'known' to inflate Xbox numbers if that's what you were talking about.

Hell, if they're using user review counts, they're probably deflating it. I've got 200+ items on my purchased list, I haven't left a review for a single thing.
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Sorry, was just being a dumbass because if they are the new VGChartz they must over inflate like the old one. :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 
Unknown? said:
Sorry, was just being a dumbass because if they are the new VGChartz they must over inflate like the old one. :messenger_grinning_sweat:
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I understand.

When the first alenia topics came up on GAF, I was more optimistic about it too,especially cause it has been referred in other well known websites like GI.Biz and Bombcast podcasts.

But now their staff are saying they extrapolate estimates from amount of reviews left on a games page, safe to say this shit is essentially fabricated.
 
The hot takes here from Xbox haters are wild. I'll spell it out:
  • The game was initially relased two years ago and is now being sold at almost full price on the Xbox store.
  • Most people who wanted to play FF16 have already done so on PS5/PC.
  • While FF16 was received well by critics at launch, word of mouth after was super divisive. Discussion literally died out within a few months of launch, although I do remember constant threads about how awful the sidequests were.
  • FF16 sold 50% less than FF15 did in the same timespan. FF15 vastly outperformed FF16 in almost all categories on all platforms.
  • The Final Fantasy name as a brand has lost a lot of its luster. When the last good game in your series was almost 15 years ago... you got issues.
All the ~22K really shows is that launching a game years late on a new platform cannabilizes most of the demand.
 
xBlueStonex said:
The hot takes here from Xbox haters are wild. I'll spell it out:
  • The game was initially relased two years ago and is now being sold at almost full price on the Xbox store.
  • Most people who wanted to play FF16 have already done so on PS5/PC.
  • While FF16 was received well by critics at launch, word of mouth after was super divisive. Discussion literally died out within a few months of launch, although I do remember constant threads about how awful the sidequests were.
  • FF16 sold 50% less than FF15 did in the same timespan. FF15 vastly outperformed FF16 in almost all categories on all platforms.
  • The Final Fantasy name as a brand has lost a lot of its luster. When the last good game in your series was almost 15 years ago... you got issues.
All the ~22K really shows is that launching a game years late on a new platform cannabilizes most of the demand.
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  • The game is $20 cheap. It's not selling at full price. It's $49.99, instead of $70 (the PS5 launch price).
  • So why were people asking the game to release on Xbox then? Or are you saying that there no Xbox-only customers in the world at all?
  • No, it wasn't super divisive at all. The user reviews are both in high 80 percentile on both Metacritic as well as the PSN store.
  • Different game; different time. Why not compare how FF16 sold on other platforms vs. how it sold on Xbox.
  • That's a subjective opinion. As mentioned earlier, FF16 is very highly rated: 87/100 Metacritic and 84/100 user review scores.
No, launching a game late does not cannibalize most of the demand. Otherwise:
  • Forza 5 would have flopped even worse on PS5 (as it launched 4 years later, instead of just 2 years later).
  • Stellar Blade would not have sold 1 million copies in 3 days on PC.
 
Not a good number at all. But to put some perspective around it steams highest concurrent was 27k. This is the last platform to receive this game with the smallest install base with a community that isn't very into final fantasy games. Also a not great port.
 
xBlueStonex said:
The hot takes here from Xbox haters are wild. I'll spell it out:
  • The game was initially relased two years ago and is now being sold at almost full price on the Xbox store.
  • Most people who wanted to play FF16 have already done so on PS5/PC.
All the ~22K really shows is that launching a game years late on a new platform cannabilizes most of the demand.
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Stellar Blade says Hi!
If there is audience, there is sales. Even 1 year later.
It's just shows that xbox crowd (and there is xbox-only crowd) has no interest in jrpg. Not that it's something new and unusual, xbox fans ignored jrpg since x360 days.
 
Its not worthy to own a series x or s just for jrpg even the console is good backwards compability due nis and nihom falcom even gust(tried in current yumia but neglected in next game aterlier resleriana) even sega support it well via persona series and smt even yakuza ichiban saga its just xbox is just so niche to jrpg scene about konami's suikoden nah no need to that its just bunch of remasters will be next
 
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Btw the effort SE put in
Felessan said:
Stellar Blade says Hi!
If there is audience, there is sales. Even 1 year later.
It's just shows that xbox crowd (and there is xbox-only crowd) has no interest in jrpg. Not that it's something new and unusual, xbox fans ignored jrpg since x360 days.
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Stellar Blade can't be compared with FF XVI for many reasons such as:

1) Chinese and korean players in Steam
2) Moddable ( I don't think I have to expand on this)
3) Received good reviews
4) It was a PS exclusive, whereas FF XVI has been already a multiplatform title since a year ago
5) GOOD PORT!
6) A game on PC will probably sell better than on consoles nowdays
 
xBlueStonex said:
The hot takes here from Xbox haters are wild. I'll spell it out:
  • The game was initially relased two years ago and is now being sold at almost full price on the Xbox store.
  • Most people who wanted to play FF16 have already done so on PS5/PC.
  • While FF16 was received well by critics at launch, word of mouth after was super divisive. Discussion literally died out within a few months of launch, although I do remember constant threads about how awful the sidequests were.
  • FF16 sold 50% less than FF15 did in the same timespan. FF15 vastly outperformed FF16 in almost all categories on all platforms.
  • The Final Fantasy name as a brand has lost a lot of its luster. When the last good game in your series was almost 15 years ago... you got issues.
All the ~22K really shows is that launching a game years late on a new platform cannabilizes most of the demand.
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You green rats always have excuses for everything. Forza Horizon 5 is almost 4 years vs FF16's 2 year late port, $59.99 vs $49.99, that's $10 more even though it released way later too.

What's the next excuse for when The Outer Worlds 2 bombs, folks saving money for trick or treating?
 
If this game only sold 22k, can you imagine how bad the numbers are for titles like South Of Midnight...
 
This is a win for Square Enix. More than Hellblade 2s peak ~5000 steam numbers.

Serious note, 22K I doubt was enough to break even with the cost of porting this.
 
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Sebastian1295 said:
Xbox gamers have been conditioned to not buy games because of gamepass, so are we surprised that this game tanked on xbox? Now maybe square enix can stop blaming sony/playstation exclusivity for final fantasy not selling to their expectations when the reality is the last two named entries they released in ff15 and ff16 have sucked ass.
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And people is surprised xbox hardware failed...
 
xBlueStonex said:
All the ~22K really shows is that launching a game years late on a new platform cannabilizes most of the demand.
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Because the vast majority of people who wanted to play the game already have the console they need to play it on. This has been true for almost all once-exclusive franchises. It's especially true as it pertains to the Xbox, which has always sold proportionally fewer copies of all but the most dudebro casual of titles, and even more true as it pertains to JRPGs and Xbox.
 
intheinbetween said:
Stellar Blade can't be compared with FF XVI for many reasons such as:
1) Chinese and korean players in Steam
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This only reinforce statement that if there is a playerbase - there are sales. SB has playerbase on Steam, FF16 has none on xbox
intheinbetween said:
2) Moddable ( I don't think I have to expand on this)
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Mass market doesn't care about modding. Especially that nude shit.
ZZZ hundred times more popular than SB - number of mods there are pathetic.
Only good mods are those that improve performance or radically improve IQ or gameplay and SB in no need for this.

intheinbetween said:
3) Received good reviews
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So is FF16
intheinbetween said:
4) It was a PS exclusive, whereas FF XVI has been already a multiplatform title since a year ago
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Doesn't matter. There IS Xbox exclusive playerbase and we are talking about it. That it's not very interested in JRPG and it was so since x360 era where JRPG sold 4:1 or worse despite having close installbase
Even in US sales for FF13 were 3:1 in favor of PS installbase adjusted

intheinbetween said:
5) GOOD PORT!
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Didn't stop Nier Automata or many other games

intheinbetween said:
6) A game on PC will probably sell better than on consoles nowdays
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Like Call of Duty or EAFC. Yeah, sure.
Most games that sells better on PC have significant China effect
 
Gripsx said:
imagine how they feel for ff7 coming this year 💀
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They might not even make back there porting costs :messenger_grimmacing_
 
I don't understand xbots.
Why cling to a dead platform? If the competitive superior platform is same price or cheaper. Why. Just why.
If PlayStation went to shit and Xbox was great, I would be there. But it's dead.

So why make up arguments and narratives. Why. I don't understand it. Sell this shit on eBay and improve your life.

It sold alike shit because Xbox players are gamepass beggars. At least those still there because everyone with 2 brain cells have left with Xbox one.

And it's an amazing game.
All your arguments "oh it's an old game that everyone who wanted to played it" would fall short if bloodborne was ported

Edit: is it money? That 400$ is a sunken cost. Sell what you can on eBay and get a real platform
 
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rofif said:
I don't understand xbots.
Why cling to a dead platform? If the competitive superior platform is same price or cheaper. Why. Just why.
If PlayStation went to shit and Xbox was great, I would be there. But it's dead.

So why make up arguments and narratives. Why. I don't understand it. Sell this shit on eBay and improve your life.

It sold alike shit because Xbox players are gamepass beggars. At least those still there because everyone with 2 brain cells have left with Xbox one.

And it's an amazing game.
All your arguments "oh it's an old game that everyone who wanted to played it" would fall short if bloodborne was ported

Edit: is it money? That 400$ is a sunken cost. Sell what you can on eBay and get a real platform
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Felessan said:
This only reinforce statement that if there is a playerbase - there are sales. SB has playerbase on Steam, FF16 has none on xbox

Mass market doesn't care about modding. Especially that nude shit.
ZZZ hundred times more popular than SB - number of mods there are pathetic.
Only good mods are those that improve performance or radically improve IQ or gameplay and SB in no need for this.


So is FF16

Doesn't matter. There IS Xbox exclusive playerbase and we are talking about it. That it's not very interested in JRPG and it was so since x360 era where JRPG sold 4:1 or worse despite having close installbase
Even in US sales for FF13 were 3:1 in favor of PS installbase adjusted


Didn't stop Nier Automata or many other games


Like Call of Duty or EAFC. Yeah, sure.
Most games that sells better on PC have significant China effect
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Wukong sold much better on PC than on PS5, secondly FF XVI and FFXV were a flop confirmed by SE themselves, the IP has been a complete failure since FF XIII with the exception of FF XIV which was close to be deprecated. Also, no matter how hard you try to spin it this is a lazy release with zero effort from SE in every angle: mediocre port, zero advertisement, almost full priced, no physical release, just to name a few.

I double dipped and did my part since I bought it on release day for PS5 and I also got it for XBOX last week, and fyi I'm a Game Pass subscriber who buy games for XBOX, PS5, Switch and PC
 
intheinbetween said:
Wukong sold much better on PC than on PS5
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China effect

intheinbetween said:
secondly FF XVI and FFXV were a flop confirmed by SE themselves
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How it relate to sales on Xbox? Even being a "failure" it sold 3.5 mil on Playstation. And 22k sales on Xbox is just pathetic

intheinbetween said:
Also, no matter how hard you try to spin it this is a lazy release with zero effort from SE in every angle: mediocre port, zero advertisement, almost full priced, no physical release, just to name a few.
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Same as Nier Automata port on PC, didn't stop it from selling
You can find any number of excuses but it still doesn't change the fact that Xbox playerbase doesn't and never cared about JRPG. This is a reason why FF16 has such abysmal numbers on Xbox and not all these bs about "late port blablabla"
 
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904 ratings (ratings are very inflated on PS vs Xbox!) but 40k copies were reported to be sold in just 3 days. FF likely did more. Can we stop using Alinea as a valid reference?
 
If they want to sell games on xbox then locked achievements that only unlocked if you bought the game than rely "gamepass" miracles for better sellls
 
rofif said:
I don't understand xbots.
Why cling to a dead platform? If the competitive superior platform is same price or cheaper. Why. Just why.
If PlayStation went to shit and Xbox was great, I would be there. But it's dead.

So why make up arguments and narratives. Why. I don't understand it. Sell this shit on eBay and improve your life.

It sold alike shit because Xbox players are gamepass beggars. At least those still there because everyone with 2 brain cells have left with Xbox one.

And it's an amazing game.
All your arguments "oh it's an old game that everyone who wanted to played it" would fall short if bloodborne was ported

Edit: is it money? That 400$ is a sunken cost. Sell what you can on eBay and get a real platform
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Because their mindset regarding Exbox is still in 2006.

Like those Japanese soldiers they just never gave up and moved on.
 
Folks still riding this Alinea train? smh.




MarV0 said:
Says the guy that has a good PC but still clings on to his PS5.
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With his freaking mind.

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demigod said:
You green rats always have excuses for everything. Forza Horizon 5 is almost 4 years vs FF16's 2 year late port, $59.99 vs $49.99, that's $10 more even though it released way later too.
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Don't be salty at 'green rats' if there's a much bigger demand for a quality game on one side

Also, TOW2 is multi-plat, if that bombs that would mean even the Playstation bros wouldn't have bought it. So I'm not even sure where we're going with this. 🤷‍♂️
 
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adamsapple said:
Don't be salty at 'green rats' if there's a much bigger demand for a quality game on one side
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Seriously. Bring over an actually good game and people will buy it. Not XVI, not Wukong. Games with tons of flaws that people have pointed out for a while. I'm glad they got ports, but I'm not buying it day 1. I will get these on sale later.

I would probably get Silent Hill 2 for $40-50 though.
 
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Aenima said:
Square-Enix did the right call porting the game. After all, there are dozens of us... DOZENS!!!!

I really liked the game, i dont understand where these ppl caslling the game trash are coming from, but it's the best main FF game since the PS2. You can argue that is not a good RPG, or not a good Final Fantasy, but it is a pretty good game with a very satisfying action combat system (Once you equip the Titan skill for block/ counter attack) and some sick boss battles and setpieces. Also one of the best FF main characters and pretty nice story as well.
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I thought it was a total letdown as an action game as well. Most enemies just stand there like training dummies while you cycle through your moves off cooldown and slowly chip away at their health. It was so dull.

I guess there's the higher difficulty mode but you have to beat the game to unlock it. But I was so bored with the game I couldn't finish it the first time.
 
Punished Miku said:
Seriously. Bring over an actually good game and people will buy it. Not XVI, not Wukong. Games with tons of flaws that people have pointed out for a while. I'm glad they got ports, but I'm not buying it day 1. I will get these on sale later.

I would probably get Silent Hill 2 for $40-50 though.
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Damn Miku, didn't realise you had such high standards.

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You've come a long way from your days of defending Starfield and Redfall, to the extent where you got banned for defending the latter.

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I'm proud of how far you've come.
 
GHG said:
Damn Miku, didn't realise you had such high standards.

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You've come a long way from your days of defending Starfield and Redfall, to the extent where you got banned for defending the latter.

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I'm proud of how far you've come.
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I know you just have to follow me around and comment on virtually everything I say, but yes, we all know about review scores. Do you want me to give you a book report on each game or something? I very transparently stated what I thought about all of them so I have nothing at all to hide. 🤷‍♂️. You're just pointing to things I've voluntarily talked about in detail.

Are you saying my standard for Redfall is buy day 1 and rate it higher than XVI? Because that's another one of your lies. We can talk about how I played it, what I paid for it and what I rated it if we absolutely have to set the record straight yet again after more of your lies.
 
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Jeeez, I have just seen that these numbers are based on 700 Reviews being posted on the Xbox store.

You cant make this shit up...oh wait, they are.
 
As someone who is interested in the game and will buy it on Xbox (I also dont use gamepass)...

It surprise shadow dropped in the middle of summer when I dont play many games.
I dont just buy huge timesink RPGs on a whim.
Ill buy it when I have time to play it.

Im just happy it released on the platform - and I will get it eventually.
 
adamsapple said:
Don't be salty at 'green rats' if there's a much bigger demand for a quality game on one side

Also, TOW2 is multi-plat, if that bombs that would mean even the Playstation bros wouldn't have bought it. So I'm not even sure where we're going with this. 🤷‍♂️
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Quality games like Avowed and South of Midnight right? The same games that released day 1 on PC yet has less CCU than FFXVI combined.
 
demigod said:
Quality games like Avowed and South of Midnight right? The same games that released day 1 on PC yet has less CCU than FFXVI combined.
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It's unfortunate they aren't selling well but both of those are definitely better than FFXVI. A lot better. I've played all 3 to completion. Everyone here knows you haven't.
 
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