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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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Duane Cunningham
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Maybe all three Lannister children are Targs! That would be a lovely, final "fuck you" to the Lannisters. (And to Robert who famously knocked the Targs off the throne, only to put a whole new mess of them back on).
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Yes, Tyrion needs to be the son of Tywin. Jaime and Cersei wouldn't really bother me though.
She's one of Robert's bastards! Which I guess would still make her a little Targaryen.
Re: Winterfell in ADWD from last page:
I thought it broke down as
-Mance's crew is killing several Freys.
-Big Walder kills Little Walder.
-The "Ghost of Winterfell" that Theon sees is himself, because he's having a dissociative episode.
But I also haven't read ADWD since it came out so I could very well be forgetting details.
I thought it broke down as
-Mance's crew is killing several Freys.
-Big Walder kills Little Walder.
-The "Ghost of Winterfell" that Theon sees is himself, because he's having a dissociative episode.
But I also haven't read ADWD since it came out so I could very well be forgetting details.
Duane Cunningham
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All I know is I've spent half the morning lost in the Wiki, and one big conclusion I've come to is that Wyman Mandelry can NOT be omitted from the show without drawing my wrath. If they cast him properly, imagine how great his storyline with Davos will be.
Steelyuhas
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That would be fucking awesome.
Sad, I loved Wray's idea of Luwin becoming the guy that Jon is asked to kill by the wildlings when Summer attacks the group and Jon escapes in ASOS. Then Luwin's final scene with the boys could play out pretty much the same, and Osha and Rickon don't split off until then.
Either way, I'm sure it will very impactful doing it the same way as in the book.
That's my assumption as well.
I think I want to try this for a reread.
There is no way he gets cut.
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bengraven
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I kind of think it would be cool (but have to be hush hush because technically it's piracy) for someone to cut Dance and Feast into each other as one or two big novels.
Also, is it just me or is Theon less redeemable on the show? Killing Rodrik like he did, Rodriks' curse that there's no going back now...it feels heavier than in the book. Maybe because there's such a large cast and Faren and Mikken didn't have the footprint that Rodrik did, so we still somewhat sympathize with Theon.
Also, is it just me or is Theon less redeemable on the show? Killing Rodrik like he did, Rodriks' curse that there's no going back now...it feels heavier than in the book. Maybe because there's such a large cast and Faren and Mikken didn't have the footprint that Rodrik did, so we still somewhat sympathize with Theon.
I feel just the opposite, Theon of the show seems more reedemable, he feels more like a real person. In the book before the torture he underwent he was just an asshole wannabe prince, he felt a bit one dimensional. In both versions he will be responsible for the death of two children, I think that is the act that really brings him to the point of no return.
They will probably show his torture of Theon and other Winterfell prisoners in detail. Him and Theon need to be doing something for seasons 3 and 4.
StriKeVillain
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I hope we get to hear/see some of:
I've always found the Boltons to be such interesting characters. I would love to get a better look into Roose/Ramsay in the show.
Theon in the show becomes almost less redeemable because of his humanity. In the book you get one look into his head and realize he's a sleezeball without a conscience, and you have no hope for him. In the show you invest way more in Theon, and you recognize that he's conflicted and he knows how awful a thing it is to lop off the head of the man who taught you to swing a sword in the first place, but he actively chooses to do it despite knowing how wrong it is. That makes him feel so much more far gone to me. He chose to be evil, instead of just doing it by default.
Yeah, he has to be in. And if we are lucky, they will be able to get Ian McNeice to return to the show as Wyman Manderly.
The "evil" in Ramsay comes from Roose, except Roose is more cold and calculated, he is driving towards a purpose. Ramsay is a crazed dog off his leash. I find the dynamic between him and Reek to be so fascinating. Roose said that he wasn't sure whether it was Reek who corrupted Ramsay or Ramsay who corrupted Reek.
PhoenixDark
Banned
I can tell I've listened to too many Podcast Of Ice and Fire episodes because my immediate thought was "Let's stop fighting and go have sex." Assuming lemon cakes is a sexual euphemism as theorized on the show lol
Majmun
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Don't think people will hate him for torturing Theon
My non-book reading friends who watch the show are hating Theon so much right now.
Maybe Ramsay will slay Maester Luwin now. But Luwin had, what seemed, an important conversation with Osha at the end of book 2. Don't know how they'll do that..
Yeah, he has to be in. And if we are lucky, they will be able to get Ian McNeice to return to the show as Wyman Manderly.
Wow, how could this not happen.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Yeah, he has to be in. And if we are lucky, they will be able to get Ian McNeice to return to the show as Wyman Manderly.
The priest guy in the last episode that got torn apart reminded me of him. I actually thought it was him at first.
I believe an eBook of this already exists.
Jibbajabbawockky
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Don't think people will hate him for torturing Theon
My non-book reading friends who watch the show are hating Theon so much right now.
Maybe Ramsay will slay Maester Luwin now. But Luwin had, what seemed, an important conversation with Osha at the end of book 2. Don't know how they'll do that..
I HATED Theon at the end of Clash of Kings. But then you don't see or hear from Theon until Dance. I think maybe you hear a little bit of hearsay that in Storm that he's Ramsay's prisoner and being tortured.
But its so shocking to get to Dance and be put in Theon/Reek's point of view and just how absolutely brutal his treatment has been, to the extent that the once cocky, arrogant dickhead Theon has been physically and mentally transformed into whatever Reek is. For as much as I hated Theon in Clash, holy smokes, nobody deserves the crap Ramsay did to him. I mean, damn.
So if the show showed that kind of transformation with torture scenes, I think that might sort of lessen the impact later on. Its like when Asha sees Theon in Dance, she doesn't even recognize him. It would be neat if the show handled it similarly where you're kind of shocked at Theon's transformation into Reek. Cause the stuff Ramsay does is just insanely disgusting and even if you hate Theon, I don't know how you couldn't feel a little sympathy for him in that state.
Theon's chapters in Dance (and the stuff in the North in general) were some of the better material GRRM has written and I can't wait to see it in the show. Especially with how TV Theon is more sympathetic than Book Theon, his sort of redemptive arc should be interesting to see.
bengraven
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Yeah, he has to be in. And if we are lucky, they will be able to get Ian McNeice to return to the show as Wyman Manderly.
Never forget.
I would love for him to get the part.
Why did he not want the show again? Because he couldn't make reshoots?
He would have made a good Illyrio, but that costume is hilariously awful.
I believe it was a scheduling issue, yes. So assuming his schedule is clear in a couple years, he should have no problem signing on again. If it happens, I would be glad it didn't work out the first time because he would have been wasted on the boring character of Illyrio.
bengraven
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Agreed. Plus he would have only had three scenes in the first season and not another until...I think Dance? Yeah, I think the next time we see him is Dance, or the 6th season.
And yes, the costume is horrible, though I always pictured Illyrio being more flamboyant than the current one we have and that hat suits him to a "T".
+1 for Manderly.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
YEAHHHHH.
DONEZO.
I wondering where that bald fucker had been hiding. Can't wait for Littlefinger to treat with him and they can talk about his balls again.
Just like old times.
So was the Khal in the D Sea one of the new ones or was it Danaerys' dudes out looking for her but gathered up some troops for her?
DONEZO.
I wondering where that bald fucker had been hiding. Can't wait for Littlefinger to treat with him and they can talk about his balls again.
Just like old times.
So was the Khal in the D Sea one of the new ones or was it Danaerys' dudes out looking for her but gathered up some troops for her?
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
It was some Khal from A Game of Thrones that Dany pissed off or something.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Yeah, he has to be in. And if we are lucky, they will be able to get Ian McNeice to return to the show as Wyman Manderly.
this NEEDS to happen. There is no other way.
This was Dany's vow about what she plans to do to Khal Jhaqo and his bloodrider Mago after learning that they had raped a Lhazareen woman and then slit her throat.
"It was a cruel fate, Yet not so cruel as Mago's will be. I promise you that, by the old gods and the new, by the lamb god and the horse god and every god that lives. I swear by the Mother of Mountains and the Womb of the World. Before I am done with them, Mago and Ko Jhaqo will plead for the mercy they showed Eroeh."
Things should get very interesting...
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blainethemono
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I'm just glad he's at least claiming to be working on it some more at this point. Last I heard he hadn't written anything except for the ~200 pages that got pushed back from ADWD, and wouldn't be writing anything else for a while
Steelyuhas
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Also from his post:
Froggy? Reed(s) being cast for season 3?
Froggy? Reed(s) being cast for season 3?
My guess is Quentyn. Didn't Dany call him the frog prince?
blainethemono
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"Froggy" is just some shit he uses to make hints about casting info. He'll put up a frog face avatar and a riddle or something that hints at someone who was casted for the show.
for example: http://grrm.livejournal.com/243470.html
for example: http://grrm.livejournal.com/243470.html
That's what you think. He is probably writing in a new pov character about what the Dothraki are doing all throughout Dance as to add another 300 pages to Wind.
Basileus777
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You just can't apreciate great world building and lore. It takes time to develop a race of rapist horsemen, but that depth is key to the series.
blainethemono
Member
Would be pretty legit. Khal Jhaqo just kills Dany immediately in the prologue and continues on to take the dragons and go to Westeros and wreck shit and take the Iron Throne like a boss
Best possible outcome.
Man that gives me even less confidence he's ever going to finish it. Every other project he's working on gets big paragraph explanations, and Winds of Winter is like "oh yeah guess that's being done too, sure. I mean, but did you hear about that we're working on more garbage Wild Cards shit?"
GRRM needs to abandon Wild Cards forever. Shit blows.
blainethemono
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Never read any Wildcards shit, but have you read Pear-shaped Man or Meathouse Man? That shit is fucked up man
http://www.johnjosephadams.com/the-living-dead/?page_id=43
GRRM has written some brilliant non asoif shit imo. Tuf Voyaging and Sandkings are great.
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