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[bengraven]

Anyone else think there will be a Bran/Theon scene later in the series? Maybe Bran helps redeem Theon?

Yeah well, the good parts of Fevre Dream anyway. Heh.

I'm assuming it had good parts and bad?

I'm considering buying it some time. Or finding a local library.

 

[Granger Danger]

 

[PhoenixDark]

Well, I'll say this. I think that the best Tyrion chapters in the entire book were the ones on the Shy Maid. I loved the descriptions of the various ruins along the river, and the little bits of history. That part of the journey definitely has a lot of interest.

Unfortunately all that goes downhill once he gets captured by Jorah. The rest of his "journey" is relatively cliched, and very boring. He's forced to play nice with a dwarf girl he feels sorry for, and his interaction with Jorah is limited to getting slapped and punched. It's not entertaining to read, nor is there anything interesting or informative during this journey. Most of it is the same crap with him feeling sorry for Penny, and feeling sorry for himself for getting into this sorry situation. By the end of the novel, he doesn't even get to Dany. Instead he's still stuck with boring characters and in a stupid situation.

So yeah, I feel that the Tyrion storyline is a bit of a bust in Dance, and what started out in an interesting way went into the garbage once he hooked up with Jorah. Did anyone actually enjoy Tyrion's storyline with Penny? Seriously.

I loved the story with Penny, in fact it was one of my favorite sequences of the book. She encapsulates so much of what the novel has to say about slavery

 

[bengraven]

I loved the story with Penny, in fact it was one of my favorite sequences of the book. She encapsulates so much of what the novel has to say about slavery

She was fairly effective on me. There were a few times I was like "Tyrion, stop being so high and mighty, a life as a jester wouldn't be so bad" before I had to slap myself.

 

[MaritalWheat]

Anyone else think there will be a Bran/Theon scene later in the series? Maybe Bran helps redeem Theon?

Yes, definitely thought this...seemed like Bran was trying hard to reach through the weirs to Theon a number of times. I could see something along the lines of Theon becoming Bran's agent below the wall, perhaps.

 

[Dresden]

She was fairly effective on me. There were a few times I was like "Tyrion, stop being so high and mighty, a life as a jester wouldn't be so bad" before I had to slap myself.

I was so afraid that he'd bang her. Dwarf on dwarf sex would've been too much for me.

 

[ZephyrFate]

Anyone else think there will be a Bran/Theon scene later in the series? Maybe Bran helps redeem Theon?



I'm assuming it had good parts and bad?

I'm considering buying it some time. Or finding a local library.

Let's just say this: It's arguably the best vampire novel since Dracula. But in a genre that is mediocre at best, that isn't saying too much.

 

[yacobod]

I was so afraid that he'd bang her. Dwarf on dwarf sex would've been too much for me.

There's always time for that in TWOW. I'd say there is probably a 99% chance that we get some Tyrion & Penny action in the next book, and it won't even be the grossest sex in the book. That will be LF & Sansa rape time, something with the Boltons, Meera and Hodor (warged by Bran) action with Jojen watching, or Dany getting gang raped by the khalasar.

 

[Harry Potter]

Anyone got an official tally on how many times "words are wind" was said?

 

[yacobod]

Anyone got an official tally on how many times "words are wind" was said?

It wasn't overused. Its the string that ties the whole book together.

 

[Basileus777]

Anyone got an official tally on how many times "words are wind" was said?

I read somewhere that it was used 17 times.

 

[jett]

Anyone got an official tally on how many times "words are wind" was said?

13.

 

[elrechazado]

The Targeryens are apparently immune to disease.

Not true at all. Read dunk and egg stories.

 

[Piecake]

Yes, definitely thought this...seemed like Bran was trying hard to reach through the weirs to Theon a number of times. I could see something along the lines of Theon becoming Bran's agent below the wall, perhaps.

Interesting. And Bran would never even have to leave the Children of the Forest cave thingy since it was mentioned that back in thee olden times ravens delivered their messages by speaking it, not simply carrying a written message. I could totally see that happening - Bran tells a Raven to tell Theon to do something, etc. It works because he is among the only few who know that he is alive and can probably be persuaded not to reveal that if Bran doesnt want him to

 

[bengraven]

Let's just say this: It's arguably the best vampire novel since Dracula. But in a genre that is mediocre at best, that isn't saying too much.

Have you read Kim Newman's books or the Family Dracul books?

I'm wondering how it stacks up.

Ah fuck it, it's Martin and it's vampires, why not...

Yes, definitely thought this...seemed like Bran was trying hard to reach through the weirs to Theon a number of times. I could see something along the lines of Theon becoming Bran's agent below the wall, perhaps.

I think Bran might not even know that Theon "killed" him...or he doesn't care? I think he was trying to reach out to Theon just to talk...it seemed innocent. Then again, Bran likely still knows that he caused the fall of Winterfell so maybe he will force him to serve.

That said, I think Bran's intervention may have caused Theon to start to worship the old gods. So +1 to the North, eh?

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

Hot 14 year old scantily clad girl?

 

[Amir0x]

I loved the story with Penny, in fact it was one of my favorite sequences of the book. She encapsulates so much of what the novel has to say about slavery

Totally agree. And it was wild seeing Tyrion repeatedly humbled.

Of my favorite chapters, I'd have to say Theon/Reek's chapters were amazing - how GRRM I know as a reader I caught myself feeling like justice is being done early on for his crimes, but then slowly but surely the enormity of the torture dawns... and when Theon makes it to Winterfell, the ghosts of his past haunting him at every turn, just amazingly evocative imagery with the storm raging and the mists shifting over the weirwood. Theon emerges in this book as one of the most complex and multifaceted of the entire Game of Thrones, which I would not necessarily have expected.

Although GOOD GOD at the Reek, Reek it rhymes with Sneak crap x1000. I mean I got it, trying to hold onto his sanity and whatnot, but whoooa it got annoying eventually.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Agreed on Theon. I certainly didn't expect to feel sorry for him, but the depth of his suffering/torture were pretty shocking; I had read his first chapter years ago and still found it jarring reading it in the physical book.

His capturing of Moat Cailin was one of the darkest, most atmospheric things I've read in ages. Like AFFC, ADWD is so full of glimpses at the aftermath of battle.

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

I got a few different vibes with Reek, was getting a bit of a Gollum feel but that might just have been from the internal dialogue. Sneak, meek etc wasn't to bad, showed how fucked up he is though from the torture with a mad dose of Stockholm Syndrome.

Bran seems to be able to do a lot through the Weirwood tree's even though he's only been at it a short while.

 

[elrechazado]

I thought theon came back to being theon much too easily. Yes, I know he wasn't old theon, but he was self identifying as theon and having independent thoughts way too quickly.

 

[ZephyrFate]

I thought theon came back to being theon much too easily. Yes, I know he wasn't old theon, but he was self identifying as theon and having independent thoughts way too quickly.

He was ALWAYS having independent, self-identifying thoughts. I thought it was fascinating character development to have him come back after the entire novel was over. When he realized that Ramsay wasn't enough of a reason to hide anymore.

 

[elrechazado]

He was ALWAYS having independent, self-identifying thoughts. I thought it was fascinating character development to have him come back after the entire novel was over. When he realized that Ramsay wasn't enough of a reason to hide anymore.

I disagree, hence my opinion.

 

[ZephyrFate]

I disagree, hence my opinion.

How can he have self-identifying thoughts 'way too quickly' if they've always been there?

 

[Veelk]

I think he means that he should have been totally stripped of any individuality, which I don't think is possible. Even the Unsullied have some notion of self identification.

 

[tokkun]

Bran seems to be able to do a lot through the Weirwood tree's even though he's only been at it a short while.

Well, the weirwoods can evidently communicate through time, so for all we know it could really be future Bran whispering to Theon.

 

[suzu]

IMO he was just being Reek because he was afraid of what would happen if he went back to being Theon. When they needed Theon Turncloak again, he really had to be convinced.. Even now he's still kind of loopy about it. lol.

 

[Lirlond]

I liked the way the chapter names progressed, really helped with the progress.

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

Well, the weirwoods can evidently communicate through time, so for all we know it could really be future Bran whispering to Theon.

True. I wonder how far he will go with it, would lol hard if in the final book Bran tell's Ned whats up.

 

[bengraven]

Anyone else find it kind of sad when Bran could talk to his dad through time?

The idea of whispering to his dad and his dad looking up, probably years before he was born.




I wonder if he'll communicate with Ned some time.

 

[Basileus777]

Why is it being taken as a given that Bran can actually affect the past? Ned looking up doesn't mean Bran can talk to him. I think the sad part was that Bran can see the past, but not change it.

 

[Eteric Rice]

True. I wonder how far he will go with it, would lol hard if in the final book Bran tell's Ned whats up.

That doesn't seem like George's style.

I hope Bran somehow ends up with Meera though. She's cool.

 

[bengraven]

Why is it being taken as a given that Bran can actually affect the past? Ned looking up doesn't mean Bran can talk to him. I think the sad part was that Bran can see the past, but not change it.

I don't think he could change things. But he can see things. I think Ned just knew someone was there, watching.

Which is kind of sad, because that means the "gods" were always just Bloodraven or whomever was in his place before.

 

[elrechazado]

I don't think he could change things. But he can see things. I think Ned just knew someone was there, watching.

Which is kind of sad, because that means the "gods" were always just Bloodraven or whomever was in his place before.

Doesn't mean that the gods of the north aren't the ones directing the actions of the children and bloodraven and other greenseers at other times though.

 

[Eteric Rice]

I don't think he could change things. But he can see things. I think Ned just knew someone was there, watching.

Which is kind of sad, because that means the "gods" were always just Bloodraven or whomever was in his place before.

Maybe, maybe not. There might be more to the old gods than that.

Makes you wonder if maybe Ned, or Robb are part of the trees as well. A tree never forgets.

 

[Jintor]

I honestly didn't even notice words are wind as a common thing. I mean, I recognized it as a repeat phrase like "You know nothing, Jon Snow", but it never really stuck out to me as being a verbal tic or anything.

 

[Amir0x]

Anyone else find it kind of sad when Bran could talk to his dad through time?

The idea of whispering to his dad and his dad looking up, probably years before he was born.

I wonder if he'll communicate with Ned some time.

It was a powerful scene, particularly when viewed in context of how young Bran is and how much he has lost up until now. And his childish hope of being able to walk again when he met this greenseer.

Can't do much as a tree, though, except be extremely prescient.

 

[elrechazado]

I honestly didn't even notice words are wind as a common thing. I mean, I recognized it as a repeat phrase like "You know nothing, Jon Snow", but it never really stuck out to me as being a verbal tic or anything.

Well, if you look back, you're lost. Although you might find out where whores go.

 

[bengraven]

It was a powerful scene, particularly when viewed in context of how young Bran is and how much he has lost up until now. And his childish hope of being able to walk again when he met this greenseer.

Can't do much as a tree, though, except be extremely prescient.

That's what's really tragic about the series. Other than Jon and Robb, the other kids are all so young and lose so much. They've not only lost parts of their childhood by being forced to grow up, but they've been seperated from each other.

And then Bran becomes a omniprecient tree.

He may be able to fly as a dragon someday however.

 

[Advance_Alarm]

the biggest one for me is good beer being "so thick and yeasty you could almost chew it", I think tyrion says that in 3 books

 

[Eteric Rice]

the biggest one for me is good beer being "so thick and yeasty you could almost chew it", I think tyrion says that in 3 books

Does something like that even exist?

 

[LegendofJoe]

That's what's really tragic about the series. Other than Jon and Robb, the other kids are all so young and lose so much. They've not only lost parts of their childhood by being forced to grow up, but they've been seperated from each other.

And then Bran becomes a omniprecient tree.

He may be able to fly as a dragon someday however.

If Bran remains in that cave and continues to merge with the giant weirwood for the rest of the series I am going to be very displeased. Martin is pretty much a professional troll though, so I have a feeling that is going to be Bran's ultimate fate regardless. Dame you George.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

I think Bran may be stuck there. They barely made it to the Three Eyed Crow as it was. Winter will only get worse and the presense of the Others will probably increase. Then again maybe he'll become awesome at warging and have an army of bears at his control that will escort him south.

 

[bengraven]

Maybe he will be the epilogue of the entire series.

Flash forward 4000 years.

A giant white tree in a London park. People hear whispers. The oldest living tree in history.

One day a man with a chainsaw arrives and cuts down the tree to make room for a Verizon Wireless store.

We see Bran old and frail, roots growing out of his body, and now screaming as he dies in pain.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Maybe he will be the epilogue of the entire series.

Flash forward 4000 years.

A giant white tree in a London park. People hear whispers. The oldest living tree in history.

One day a man with a chainsaw arrives and cuts down the tree to make room for a Verizon Wireless store.

We see Bran old and frail, roots growing out of his body, and now screaming as he dies in pain.

He dies thinking that the world would have been better if the Others had won.

 

[elrechazado]

He dies thinking that the world would have been better if the Others had won.

Then the crying indian is shown as he sees some people throw trash onto the side of the road.

 

[bengraven]

He dies thinking that the world would have been better if the Others had won.

His last words are:

"I have seen the future...you know nothing...you are fuuuuuuucked in 2019..."

Then the crying indian is shown as he sees some people throw trash onto the side of the road.

The crying Indian is revealed to be Drogo's descendant.

He is the Stallion Who Will Mount the World.


"The World" is the ride at Disneyworld he does maintenence on for minimum wage.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Then the crying indian is shown as he sees some people throw trash onto the side of the road.

There's George's bittersweet ending.

The crying Indian is revealed to be Drogo's descendant.

He is the Stallion Who Will Mount the World.


"The World" is the ride at Disneyworld he does maintenence on for minimum wage.

The last 10 pages are "It's a small world after all, it's a small world after all..." over and over

 

[bengraven]

There's George's bittersweet ending.



"It's a small world after all, it's a small world after all..."

In Dothraki.

And the Children of the Forest go on to play the Munchkins in Wizard of Oz.

And one is Dinklage's great great aunt.

META.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Somewhere George is writing all of this down. And in 20 years when they story is finished we will all cry and curse what we have wrought.

 

[bengraven]

Somewhere George is writing all of this down. And in 20 years when they story is finished we will all cry and curse what we have wrought.

"I said I'd never take advice from fans, but my God these are long books and this pizza won't eat itself. I need help where I can get it."




In all seriousness though, I'm pretty worried about the "bittersweet ending". I mean, he mentions LOTR and with Frodo's wound and going off to the undying lands and the Scouring of the shire...other than Frodo going off, nothing was that bitter sweet. The scouring was nothing. It actually was the first chance the hobbits had to fight on their own and they won and they later cleaned up the shire and became heroes in their own right.

But I know Martin is going to murder nearly everyone major. The bloody score at the end of book 7 of HP was nothing compared to what he's going to do.