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A vehicle has been driven into people in the Swedish capital Stockholm, injuring many
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I don't particularly agree with this, that's why I didn't quote it. Except for full on socialism I'm not sure how you would combat urbanization(unless you mean something else?) effectively, sweden is too large with too small an population to be spread thin like that.
Yep, given that he was rejected for residency I actually hope this will happen.
Mohonky
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Just saw this myself, they targeted a Church.
For the Stockholmers that somehow don't know, there's a rally at Sergels Torg in an hour.
https://www.facebook.com/events/1013853625413027/
https://www.facebook.com/events/1013853625413027/
AP please, the police corrected himself immediately. He was seeking residency, not asylum.
Worded differently in full update, makes it any better?
1:05 p.m.
Police in Stockholm say the truck attack suspect from Uzbekistan was an asylum-seeker who had his application for a residence permit in Sweden rejected and was being sought by authorities for deportation.
Jan Evensson of the Stockholm police told a televised news conference on Sunday that the 39-year-old suspect's request was rejected in June 2016 but police could not find him for deportation because he was not at the address he had given.
Jonas Hysing of Sweden's national police says "we know he has been sympathetic to extremist organizations."
Evenssen said police are holding five more people in connection with the deadly attack Friday and have questioned over 500 others.
He said the four victims killed in the Stockholm attack included one person from Britain, one from Belgium and two Swedes.
Source: https://apnews.com/925a6dde98034ccb...n=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
He came to Sweden 2014 and searched for "residence" (Dunno if that's the right english word). His request was denied in 2016 and he was asked to leave the country by his own. But he didn't. In February 2017 he was wanted by the Police cause he didn't leave the country. They said he wasn't any special case and they have 10 000 similar cases in Sweden.
Darth Ghandi
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The lack of resources isn't just tied with urbanization regarding integration.
It is tied to people who sold our state owned resources.
gutter_trash
Banned
rejected for good reason,
prison for life, then deport him when he reaches 80 years old
Liljagare
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Massive gathering of people today at Sergels square:
http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/tusentals-vill-samlas-for-att-visa-karlek/
http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/tusentals-vill-samlas-for-att-visa-karlek/
Get fucked, terrorists.
Beautiful.
Tried explaining that to a few old friends. They wouldn't listen so when SD voted down the rules that would make it impossible for companies to dump the salaries with foreign workers in Sweden instead of forcing the same salaries for them, the same benefits and making it easier to gather tax from the workers? you know to pay for the benefits. So when that happened I was actually laughing. No I'm not take the highroad kind of guy when it comes to these things.
Wonder how many who loved getting a few hundred SEK more in their wallet each month realise that when they got that more well of people got a several k more each month, the rich a few million and companies? Well we aren't talking a few decimals of a percent but 6% within 3 years. I stopped voting for M after that first period. I don't see it being feasible and I do not wish to move to a system that the US has in place.
That's part of it yes. Bad investments is another part and the decentralisation of knowledge, expertise and just weak ass guidelines makes it really hard for municipalities.
Think a literal translation actually works here, residence permit.
Get fucked, terrorists.
Beautiful indeed.
Schizoidberg
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Just found out that my friend was almost killed in this... well, shit. Fuck religious extremists.
Yeah... and rejected asylum seekers should probably be detained to stop the bad eggs doing this sort of thing. Good job ruining it for everyone else, terrorist asshole.
Yeah... and rejected asylum seekers should probably be detained to stop the bad eggs doing this sort of thing. Good job ruining it for everyone else, terrorist asshole.
The Stockholm truck attack suspect from Uzbekistan was a rejected asylum-seeker who eluded authorities' attempts to deport him by giving police a wrong address, Swedish police said Sunday while announcing the arrest of a second suspect.
Jan Evensson of the Stockholm police told a televised news conference that the 39-year-old suspect's request for a residence permit was rejected in June 2016 but police could not find him to send him back to his native country because he was not at the address he had given. On Feb. 24, he was formally sought after by Swedish police.
"We know he has been sympathetic to extremist organizations," said Jonas Hysing of Sweden's national police. He declined to name the suspect, who had been arrested within hours of Friday's attack on shoppers in Stockholm.
Swedish prosecutors on Sunday arrested a second person in connection with the truck attack case for suspected crimes against the nation and were holding four other people.
"A person suspected of terrorist offenses by murder has been arrested," spokeswoman Karin Rosander told The Associated Press. She did not give any further details about the new suspect.
Source and more at https://apnews.com/a86b1c034cf04b10...ct-was-failed-asylum-seeker;-2nd-man-arrested
So 2 people arrested on this case and several more persons of interest.
Jan Evensson of the Stockholm police told a televised news conference that the 39-year-old suspect's request for a residence permit was rejected in June 2016 but police could not find him to send him back to his native country because he was not at the address he had given. On Feb. 24, he was formally sought after by Swedish police.
"We know he has been sympathetic to extremist organizations," said Jonas Hysing of Sweden's national police. He declined to name the suspect, who had been arrested within hours of Friday's attack on shoppers in Stockholm.
Swedish prosecutors on Sunday arrested a second person in connection with the truck attack case for suspected crimes against the nation and were holding four other people.
"A person suspected of terrorist offenses by murder has been arrested," spokeswoman Karin Rosander told The Associated Press. She did not give any further details about the new suspect.
Source and more at https://apnews.com/a86b1c034cf04b10...ct-was-failed-asylum-seeker;-2nd-man-arrested
So 2 people arrested on this case and several more persons of interest.
Find the deepest darkest prison in Uzbekistan and let him serve his time there. Give the tax money which would have gone to keeping him in a Swedish prison to the victims families. I'll gladly pay a few more percentage taxes for this.
Christ, i was at my nephew's 11-year old birthday party yesterday... Can't imagine the pain that family is going through now...
Christ, i was at my nephew's 11-year old birthday party yesterday... Can't imagine the pain that family is going through now...
airmangataosenai
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Its pretty crazy, had something like this happened 5 years ago ot would be huge news for an attack like this to happen in Western Europe but now it is so common any incident with single digit victim counts barely crack the news cycle for more than a day anymore.
Get fucked, terrorists.
For non-Stockholmers, the building to the left of the one with the big advertising hoarding is Åhléns, the department store that got hit, and the truck went down Drottninggatan, which is the road between Åhléns and the one with the advertising hoarding, hitting the building on the other side.
So the rally was very close to where it all happened.
TyrantGuardian
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Except, of course, refugees (which is what most nazi morons are complaining about) aren't a part of "immigration". It's a humanitarian effort to save people from dying. Very, very few people in Sweden are dying or even particularly worse off than they would have been otherwise due to refugees compared to how many lives are saved by taking them in. It's honestly as simple as that.
Depends where you live I guess. Norway has been running dozens of articles non-stop since it happened.
The victim from UK is Chris Bevington, 41.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39544482 Didn't wanna post the pic here but there's a pic of him at the link if you wanna see.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39544482 Didn't wanna post the pic here but there's a pic of him at the link if you wanna see.
Frankfurter
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Get fucked, terrorists.
Perfect response.
RoadHazard
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Refugees still need to be integrated though, just like other immigrants. There should be higher demands on them, more expectations. And anyone who has been rejected needs to be forcibly sent back if they don't go willingly. Like this asshole who has now murdered at least 4 people and destroyed the lives of many more​.
Darth Ghandi
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I suppose you agree that Sweden needs to do more to spread the load of refugee?
And find ways to combat the systemic racism they will face.
Also just to be clear the guy who did this WAS NOT a refugee.
I have noticed concerns being raised about the leniency of the Swedish criminal justice system in a case like this.
While I think we would do well in keeping speculations to a minimum, I just now watched an interview with the assistant commanding officer of the Stockholm police in charge of handling this event. During this interview he said two important things:
The police have found the right man, and he will spend the rest of his life in prison.
While I think we would do well in keeping speculations to a minimum, I just now watched an interview with the assistant commanding officer of the Stockholm police in charge of handling this event. During this interview he said two important things:
The police have found the right man, and he will spend the rest of his life in prison.
protomouse
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Really proud of Stockholm today. Not even 48 hours since a truck tore through town, people gathered just a stone's throw away and sang songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuq-y10Cjgg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuq-y10Cjgg
RoadHazard
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They need to be spread more evenly across Sweden, yes. Concentrations of them in certain parts of certain cities will not end up well, as we already know. But above all they need to be distributed more fairly throughout Europe. The share we have taken here in Sweden compared to most other EU countries is ridiculous.
Of course racism needs to be fought.
He wasn't a refugee, but he was a residency seeker who was rejected and should not have been in the country at all. We need to get much better at making people leave once their application has been rejected.
Miles Quaritch
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I hope you're also applying that to natives who go out of their way to regularly remind immigrants they don't belong or aren't true Swedes.
Or do you believe all integration efforts fall on the immigrants/refugees?
Onlinehero
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And what do you think happens currently? As soon as your application is rejected and you don't adhere to the decition your case will be handed over to police. Once police catch you you'll be put in detention until you're sent back to your country of origin. However if there's no history of avoidance or feeding false information to authorities you have a deadline to leave on your own, if that's not kept the Migration Office will again turn you over to police and put you in detention.
Only problem is that the police have trouble finding the people who go underground. I believe there's currently over 12000 that have deviated.
https://www.svd.se/polischef-finns-just-nu-12-500-andra-avvikare/om/terrordadet-i-stockholm
A lot of the people who are not refugees pose as such to get into to Sweden. No, I am not saying refugees should be banned. However, Sweden as a country is highly immature when it comes to enforcing set rules and following up on decisions. This has led to some of the greatest issues socially, as the resources for refugees are partially spent on the wrong people.
It's extremely hard to track that many heads, so of course there will be some that slip through.
.Onlinehero
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And how do you propose we solve that? If you avoid the authorities they will have trouble finding you. The Migration Office 1) can't fool people with a calling under false presumptions and 2) you can't arrest people unless they've committed a crime (UN Convention), detention needs to be the first step if the refugee does not adhere to their decision.
Point is, we are forcibly sending people back if they don't go willingly, that's why people disappear.
What?
Beats me. Something needs to be done though to make the system more effective.
Onlinehero
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That would likely come down to police resources, then (followed up with increased resources for detention units). Administratively it's about as good as it can be given the legal circumstances.
RoadHazard
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What happens currently is that we have 12,000 people on the run inside the country, avoiding deportation, and that number is expected to rise to 50K over the next few years. That's ridiculous.
Onlinehero
Member
Like I said, we are forcibly deporting people and keep them in detention when possible. People will avoid being deported and you can't really legislate beyond what we already have, so it's the police work in searching for individuals that needs stepping up. We are currently deporting around 2000 people by force each year. Along with each of those you have a couple of weeks in detention (with like, 300 beds in total?) and the following trip paid for by the state, if it's even possible to deport the person in the first place given the situation in his/her country of origin. If the person is from say, Morocco (where a lot of work is currently being done to enable deportations for people without papers), you could before just be kept in detention for the maximum of 12 months (though there are a couple extraordinary cases) and then you need to be released. Again due to international legislature.
Saying "something needs to be done" is pretty fucking simple, innit?
RoadHazard
Gold Member
So you agree that it's not working and more resources are needed.
TyrantGuardian
Member
You are right, we need a special police force to round these people up at gunpoint and force them out of our master race country for true aryan people. I suggest we call this force "Gestapo", it feels nostalgic.
What the hell are you even talking about? "Expected to rise to 50K" by who? Source please. 12,000 people is pretty much nothing and completely irrelevant to care about. No, one of them attacking people does not mean they are a problem. It really doesn't.
Onlinehero
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The reason we have so many people with notifications of deportation is because of legislation that's way harsher than it needs to be. We are deporting to dictatorships as long as their embassy sends out a travel pass and the information about said country isn't exhastive enough to detect corruption and inhuman treatment. On that list you'll also find developing war zones where there are areas that could be considered safe for deportation. In the best cases the information is usually a couple months old, at worst (if it's a country of intrest) it can be up to and exceeding 12 months.
In my mind there's a much better case to be made for spending said resources to prop up integration.
My main reason for being in this discussion in the first place though is your lack of knowledge on the subject you are so involved with. Perhaps you should reconsider your positions?
How is it not a problem that 12000 people live outside the system in Sweden?
Also, the first part of your post is fucking stupid and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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