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[Fudgepuppy]

holy fuck stay away from social media, there are some horrifying videos and pictures everywhere.

Dad got drunk on vodka and started going on a pretty dangerous rant about the "lone children we're letting in", so I went to my room and checked social media.

Huge mistake.

Also find a vaping nazi truck driver amongst the comments.

Oh what a time to be alive.

 

[Liljagare]

Yeh, let's remember the security guards that went above and beyond, all the hotels that have taken in people who can't get home, most almost amusing, the grocery stores that said if you called they'd deliver food to kids home alone.

And,frankly, our police has really handled this so well. Was scary to see the insatssytrkan in deployment though, the guys that rough up the US seals and Spetznas, on the streets, that takes alot. :0

But it is so nice to see how people came together to help out.

 

[McMoneyman]

holy fuck stay away from social media, there are some horrifying videos and pictures everywhere.

Also some horrible people too, who's been waiting for a thing like this to happen in Sweden, just to be like "see I told you what happens when you bring in so many refugees" etc. Fuck those people.

 

[Faustek]

For people worried. Don't be afraid. I know this may sound weird but here is some sound advice if you are.

Every larger mall will have a map and directions to Fire exits and they are clearly marked as well.
The smaller ones will have directions to the exits as well but not a map.
So just scan the area you're entering and localise yourself, fire exits, first aid stations if there is one and you have done more than 99% of people there and you can use that to help those in panic as well.
Maybe weird yes but I feel calm when I know where to go ahead of time so I can get people out in case of fires and in the case of the "hooligans" two years ago where to set up best defence points and again try to help people get out of harms way asap.

 

[amanset]

Go out, have a beer, enjoy life and carry on with your day. Otherwise they have won.

And that's what I did. We drank and played Rocket League in the office until we got hungry, then went to the pub to grab food and continue drinking.

Unfortunately I think this was the Brit in me, the rest of the city disappeared. The place was deserted, it is busier at 4am. This was my train home, about 30 minutes ago:

There were two people, including me, in the entire carriage.

 

[Onlinehero]

stop accepting single male refugees

So change the law to discriminate, break several international conventions and laws, and subject a gender probable death and harm by violence, torture, and persecution. Get a grip of yourself.

 

[Faustek]

So change the law to discriminate, break several international conventions and laws, and subject a gender probable death and harm by violence, torture, and persecution. Get a grip of yourself.

Or we can just keep them in limbo as we do now and just wait for more of them to successfully commit suicide.

Yepp, suicide and suicide attempts have also skyrocketed due to these young people not knowing what's happening to their status, if they can stay and start studying or if they are to be sent back home. Heck we're comfortable with putting keeping then stuck in asylum homes where other grown ass men have threatened to murder and rape them.
But hey, neither the municipalities or the asylum homes need to report suicide attempts and why they tried so we don't know more than what a few journos have managed to dig up...

 

[Liljagare]

Or we can just keep them in limbo as we do now and just wait for more of them to successfully commit suicide.

Yepp, suicide and suicide attempts have also skyrocketed due to these young people not knowing what's happening to their status, if they can stay and start studying or if they are to be sent back home. Heck we're comfortable with putting keeping then stuck in asylum homes where other grown ass men have threatened to murder and rape them.
But hey, neither the municipalities or the asylum homes need to report suicide attempts and why they tried so we don't know more than what a few journos have managed to dig up...

You can't dump that on Sweden though. It's not the source of the issue. Really. :/

If you look to the source of the problem, they shouldn't have to flee from their homes in the first place.


Sweden has very little to do with that.

 

[Faustek]

You can't dump that on Sweden though. It's not the source of the issue. Really. :/

I can dump it on non-serious private actors within the asylum housing business and I am. I also told Reinfeldt on several occasions that, even back then, that I didn't like the privatisations without proper control and I do the same thing now to different politicians but I just leave voice mails now since I don't "know" them or meet them.

So yes I'm "dumping" this on everyone responsible. Should I add anyone else on the list for how we treat the asylum seekers?

Edit: ah the edit. Yepp, we in Sweden have very little to do with their reasons for fleeing but we have everything to do with why they are committung suicide when under our care.

 

[Liljagare]

I can dump it on non-serious private actors within the asylum housing business and I am. I also told Reinfeldt on several occasions that, even back then, that I didn't like the privatisations without proper control and I do the same thing now to different politicians but I just leave voice mails now since I don't "know" them or meet them.

So yes I'm "dumping" this on everyone responsible. Should I add anyone else on the list for how we treat the asylum seekers?

So, the issue isn't that they have to flee in the first place?

?????? Okay, I am out.

Just glad over the reaction amongst the populace, and that people helped strangers out during this eve.

 

[Faustek]

So, the issue isn't that they have to flee in the first place?

?????? Okay, I am out.

Just glad over the reaction amongst the populace, and that people helped strangers out during this eve.

I also managed to edit after you quoted.

But yes, I'm happy that people stepped up. Especially as I always lambaste people for not doing that. I reckon that when it's really serious people drop some of their fear and get down to it.

 

[Liljagare]

Edit: ah the edit. Yepp, we in Sweden have very little to do with their reasons for fleeing but we have everything to do with why they are committung suicide when under our care.

Sweden is hardly the root of the problem.

 

[CoolOff]

As has been mentioned, if there's one thing I take away from today it's that our crisis management seems absolutely amazing, especially from police. They had so much personnel in the area in just minutes, and handled everything flawlessly.

I mean, I'm not sure how they would have handled a Mumbai-style attack, but this being an actual "live" situation they really performed pretty much perfectly.

 

[keuja]

This shit is really getting out of hand in Europe. RIP to all the victims.

 

[Madness]

The Berlin attacks had 12 deaths and 56 injuries. The Munich attacks had 10 deaths and 36 injuries. It's still the second biggest of last year here in Germany.

Sure, the other ones you listed are way bigger, but you still didn't answer my question. Do you have any statistics on hand that show Islamic attacks outdid right extremist attacks in terms of victims in Europe in the last years?

I mean I don't know what you're asking. You agree that the recent attacks are larger but then want statistics showing they are larger? I literally just told you the amount of dead is ridiculous. Add in the 30+ dead British tourists from that resort in Morocco in 2015, the Marrakesh bombin in 2011 that also took out 15+ European victims. I mean what more do you need? I mean then you have the smaller one off attacks, the killing of the police chief and his wife in France. We are talking about terror attacks right?

 

[Onlinehero]

Or we can just keep them in limbo as we do now and just wait for more of them to successfully commit suicide.

Yepp, suicide and suicide attempts have also skyrocketed due to these young people not knowing what's happening to their status, if they can stay and start studying or if they are to be sent back home. Heck we're comfortable with putting keeping then stuck in asylum homes where other grown ass men have threatened to murder and rape them.
But hey, neither the municipalities or the asylum homes need to report suicide attempts and why they tried so we don't know more than what a few journos have managed to dig up...

So are you essentially saying you'd rather people away instead of having them wait a year (with the estimate shrinking) if they have a valid application for refugee status? Keep in mind that "refugee" (used by gutter_trash) is a law term for individuals where the threat of violence and death is proven and probable.

I'm not fond of the privatized asylum housing either but those would have to be some hefty statistics for suicide amongst individuals applying for refugee status for me to promote anything other than providing asylum.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

So change the law to discriminate, break several international conventions and laws, and subject a gender probable death and harm by violence, torture, and persecution. Get a grip of yourself.

Isn't Canada doing that?

 

[Muffin1611]

I mean I don't know what you're asking. You agree that the recent attacks are larger but then want statistics showing they are larger? I literally just told you the amount of dead is ridiculous. Add in the 30+ dead British tourists from that resort in Morocco in 2015, the Marrakesh bombin in 2011 that also took out 15+ European victims. I mean what more do you need? I mean then you have the smaller one off attacks, the killing of the police chief and his wife in France. We are talking about terror attacks right?

Yes, we are. However, I was talking about total victims, not victims per incident. You can't know that from naming a few big incidents.

I figured that Islamist attacks probably had the biggest recent victim count, but I don't allege that without backing it up. That's why I asked for statistics, just to be sure.

Anyway, after digging a bit, I found this: https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsr...ber-states-in-2015-new-europol-report-reveals
Statistics for 2015 in EU member states. While separatist terrorism made up the biggest part in terrorism incidents, jihadist terrorism resulted in the most victims.

 

[Onlinehero]

Isn't Canada doing that?

No. There's a much different situation in Canada. Refugees travel to Sweden (and Europe) by land or by boat and make their application when they arrive. You cannot discriminate in that case.

What you probably read about was Canadas program to fulfill a quota on site, where they screen cases and make priorities. If a single male with valid reasons for refugee status would travel to Canada and submit an application I can't imagine him being denied without Canada breaking its own laws or convention ties.

 

[Syder]

This shit is really getting out of hand in Europe.

No, it isn't.

Believe it or not the streets of European cities aren't under Sharia Law with Islamic chants blaring over loudspeakers with people too scared to leave their homes for fear of being beheaded.

People across Europe, including places affected by terrorism, will continue to live their lives completely unscuppered by these events, because we're not giving into the hate. I'm not letting this sub-human scum affect my life.

 

[Isotropy]

No, it isn't.

What exactly is a non-out-of-hand amount of fatal, religious-inspired terrorist attacks?

 

[| Praxis |]

Just reading on the BBC one witness saw the truck hit a pram. Makes me sick to my stomach, these attackers deserve the death penalty.

 

[CoolOff]

Just reading on the BBC one witness saw the truck hit a pram. Makes me sick to my stomach, these attackers deserve the death penalty.

No, he doesn't. We, along with every other country in the Western world except for one, have agreed a while back that no one deserves the death penalty. I am very proud of that.

 

[Faustek]

A second man has been arrested in Hjulsta. Swedish source.

So are you essentially saying you'd rather people away instead of having them wait a year (with the estimate shrinking) if they have a valid application for refugee status? Keep in mind that "refugee" (used by gutter_trash) is a law term for individuals where the threat of violence and death is proven and probable.

I'm not fond of the privatized asylum housing either but those would have to be some hefty statistics for suicide amongst individuals applying for refugee status for me to promote anything other than providing asylum.

I wonder how young you are. Or perhaps not Swedish? Sorry if I assumed wrong there but there have been a lot of fellow Swedes here.
First no. I'm not advocating that we turn them away. I'm saying that we're doing this badly and for every damn death by suicide from these boys is on us because the state doesn't want to go in and take responsibility. So we're left with people that have no clue what's happening or can happen calling the shots.
So lets look at our history, we don't need to go back to the children from Finland but just to the 90s during the Balkan wars.
Sweden had prepared to take in up to 1 million refugees and the plans seemed feasible by then. And remember that this was during a time when Sweden was in a dire economical situation, our systems where archaic and thankfully the situation was more under control so we only got 80k people during a 7 month period.
Today we can't manage at all. The state have put this on the municipalities that lack education and expertise and the municipalities in turn have put this on private contractors. Which in turn have been shown to not be "serious actors" and they to lack the correct education and expertise needed.

So yes, I'm going to keep on calling and voice my annoyance that they are not taking enough responsibility and demand that they take their thumbs out of their asses and get to work to actually provide expertise to the municipalities instead of just not moving money to them.

____________________

Liljagare, no. I have not said that that we are the root of the problem once. I'm saying that what happens in our house is our responsibility.
Else I hope you never have your, or future, kids friends over because it'll be their parents problems if they get hurt at your place. It was their fault for sending them to you in the first place.

 

[Isotropy]

No, he doesn't. We, along with every other country in the Western world except for one, have agreed a while back that no one deserves the death penalty. I am very proud of that.

He does.

The difference is whether we allow ourselves to subject somebody to simply what they deserve.

The reality is he deserves much, MUCH worse than the death penalty. Doesn't mean we as a civilisation will do it to him.

 

[Faustek]

He does.

The difference is whether we allow ourselves to subject somebody to simply what they deserve.

The reality is he deserves much, MUCH worse than the death penalty. Doesn't mean we as a civilisation will do it to him.

That isn't a game we should play especially not us in the western world. Because you do realise that we only exist as we do today because we literally had others suffer and die for a few bucks, clothes, food and still pretend it didn't happen or still isn't.

 

[Syder]

What exactly is a non-out-of-hand amount of fatal, religious-inspired terrorist attacks?

Are you implying anything above 0 is out of hand when it's simply not true? Terrorism & war in Europe over the last 50 years gets easily forgotten.

My family lived through decades of The Troubles in Ireland (1,935 civillians killed & 50,000+ casualties across 4 decades) and from hearing first and second hand accounts I can tell you it's a completely incomparable situation to what we see with Wahhabi-inspired terrorism today. Islamic terrorism is a big problem but calling it 'out of hand' is just concern trolling.

 

[FelixTheSexranger]

He does.

The difference is whether we allow ourselves to subject somebody to simply what they deserve.

The reality is he deserves much, MUCH worse than the death penalty. Doesn't mean we as a civilisation will do it to him.

He does. But it isn`t solution. Solution is to pervert such things to happen again. We can`t fight murder with elimination. We have to show example to whom did this that we are better then them. We don`t murder in name of law, religion or faith. And I mean as in example.

In personal means...I agree with you. But this isn't about me.

 

[Breakage]

Dunno if this was posted

https://mobile.twitter.com/Expressen/status/850410157527977984/video/1

Man...that speed is chilling. As I said before, these ppl don't give a fuck about who they take out. I heard on the radio that a lady with a pram was "demolished". How ppl can continue to stay tolerant and welcoming after seeing an attack like this is beyond me.

 

[Onlinehero]

I wonder how young you are. Or perhaps not Swedish? Sorry if I assumed wrong there but there have been a lot of fellow Swedes here.
First no. I'm not advocating that we turn them away. I'm saying that we're doing this badly and for every damn death by suicide from these boys is on us because the state doesn't want to go in and take responsibility. So we're left with people that have no clue what's happening or can happen calling the shots.
So lets look at our history, we don't need to go back to the children from Finland but just to the 90s during the Balkan wars.
Sweden had prepared to take in up to 1 million refugees and the plans seemed feasible by then. And remember that this was during a time when Sweden was in a dire economical situation, our systems where archaic and thankfully the situation was more under control so we only got 80k people during a 7 month period.
Today we can't manage at all. The state have put this on the municipalities that lack education and expertise and the municipalities in turn have put this on private contractors. Which in turn have been shown to not be "serious actors" and they to lack the correct education and expertise needed.

So yes, I'm going to keep on calling and voice my annoyance that they are not taking enough responsibility and demand that they take their thumbs out of their asses and get to work to actually provide expertise to the municipalities instead of just not moving money to them.

I'm very much aware about the current situation, but the item you first quoted was a reply to a comment calling for a ban on all male refugees.

Municipalities do not have asylum housing, they are in charge of the HVB housing (minors). I say this because you seem confused with the terms.

Municipalities take care of mainly children, while the Migration Office has been the caretakers of housing for adult asylum seekers and families. When an application has been processed, the municipality takes over and provides housing, usually apartments. So people unaware of their status (being processed) are not in the care of municipalities, they are in the care of the Migration Office, unless they are unaccompanied children.

As of right now, the Migration Office is in the process of dismantling its housing units, first within the private sector and then internal. In may they will have gone from 37,500 units to 10,000 units, and from there further down (as they will not be needed).

To break them down one by one ...

Asylum housing (Migration Office) - The ones I've visited have had fairly terrible standards. The caretakers make sure that the water is running and food is being served but after that a lot hinges on there being good people available. They are not required to have staff during nighttime which is a bad situation when you have a lot of people suffering from stress. Until 2015 or so they were required to have play areas for children, then the law had to specify that the space had to contain toys. Also I'm not sure which credentials you need, but the impression is that any average Joe could be contracted. This is the type of housing currently being dismantled and it's probably for the good of everyone.

HVB (municipality, for minors) - Used to be required to have a social worker degree in order to be eligible to run it. That requirement may have gone down to a degree in the general area, but could still be social worker. That ensures that someone will be aware of laws, availability of social support, and how to stay up to date with current events. Requirements for staff varies widely. From what I've found, medium sized municipalities require educated staff (BA) and small ones hire what they can get. Privately owned businesses try to make a buck with their hiring, but you still have fairly cheap labor if you hire grade school and kindergarden teachers (the latter who will see a bump in salary). Private and public organizations have staff around the clock and are under reasonably tight supervision when it comes to inspections. This type of housing is also going down but will do so at a slower rate. Overall my impression Is that they work fairly well and are well staffed with good people.

As for statistics, during a 12-month period spanning 2015 to 2016 the Migration Office had:
220 - Threats of suicide
37 - Cases of self-harm
18 - Attempts at suicide (can't find statistics on confirmed suicides)

Socialstyrelsen has made their own questionnaires within municipalities (55 of them) for the 2016 and 2017 as of february. They found that there had been:
3 - Confirmed suicides
68 - Attempts

Note that those are not verifiable, could be duplicates and (as a lot of them could be in contact with the Migration Office) also reported to the Migration Office.

So no, I do not agree with you assertion about the current situation. Times are pretty bad if you are an asylum seeker, yes. Given the circumstances, the temporary housing provided by the Migration Office had its faults, but it was made possible (by law) due to a stressed situation that enabled hastily made contracts to supply said housing. When you say "we can not manage at all", I'm wondering what you're basing it on, because it does not seem to be facts.

 

[13ruce]

Insane:/

I wish all people of Sweden and Sweden Gaf to stay safe and good luck to process all of this.

I really hate that terrorist attacks are happening so frequently these days

 

[travisbickle]

Man...that speed is chilling. As I said before, these ppl don't give a fuck about who they take out. I heard on the radio that a lady with a pram was "demolished". How ppl can continue to stay tolerant and welcoming after seeing an attack like this is beyond me.

What do you mean by "these people"?

The attack in London was committed by a 52 year old man who was born in Kent. Maybe we should be less tolerant and welcoming of people like that in London because then we wouldn't have Nigel Farage but I don't think it's possible.

 

[keuja]

No, it isn't.

Believe it or not the streets of European cities aren't under Sharia Law with Islamic chants blaring over loudspeakers with people too scared to leave their homes for fear of being beheaded.

People across Europe, including places affected by terrorism, will continue to live their lives completely unscuppered by these events, because we're not giving into the hate. I'm not letting this sub-human scum affect my life.

I'm talking about Islamic terrorism not Sharia...
Literally hundreds of innocent lives lost in the past few years to Islamic terrorists attacks. Spin it how you want but terrorism in Europe has become an even bigger problem than before.
Of course people should continue living as normal but it doesn't mean that there's no problems to be addressed.

 

[fanboi]

Man...that speed is chilling. As I said before, these ppl don't give a fuck about who they take out. I heard on the radio that a lady with a pram was "demolished". How ppl can continue to stay tolerant and welcoming after seeing an attack like this is beyond me.

My reasoning is simple. We have saved a lot of people by doing this. Sure there are murders etc in the lot that we let in but they are a minimum of all the people we let in.

Also, it is such a slim chance that these terror attack occurs that people shouldn't worry about it.

 

[SiegfriedFM]

Morning update: The first person they got yesterday has been arrested and is "probably" the driver. No official confirmation yet of the second person.

 

[MisterFalcon]

Are you implying anything above 0 is out of hand when it's simply not true? Terrorism & war in Europe over the last 50 years gets easily forgotten.

My family lived through decades of The Troubles in Ireland (1,935 civillians killed & 50,000+ casualties across 4 decades) and from hearing first and second hand accounts I can tell you it's a completely incomparable situation to what we see with Wahhabi-inspired terrorism today. Islamic terrorism is a big problem but calling it 'out of hand' is just concern trolling.

Did they have people back then going 'the Blitz was far worse, this is no big deal' ?

 

[Ozorov]

According to SVT they found a bag with a bomb in the truck

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

This shit is really getting out of hand in Europe. RIP to all the victims.

No it isn't. You uwant to know where shit is getting out of hand? Just a few days ago dozens of people were killed by chemical warfare. The next morning 50 tomahawk missiles were fired. Shit is out of hand in other parts of the world, Europe is not one of them.

Also, those nazi comments are disgusting. I've had family members killed by terrorist attacks, if it takes (not to minimize the losses) a minor incident like this for people to show their true colours, then fuck them to hell.They are no different than ISIS supporters who show their true colours because they use the tragedies of others to exercise their own sick conduct.

 

[fanboi]

4 dead, 15 injured, 9 still in hospital, 2 kids injured, 1 still in hospital.

 

[Ozorov]

4 dead, 15 injured, 9 still in hospital, 2 kids injured, 1 still in hospital.

Surprised and glad that there are no more casualites. Seeing the video on how fast he was driving down the street. Witness says 70-80 km/h

 

[Condom]

Sad situation all around, didn't know what to think when I heard about this. Wish the affected the best and peace to the fallen.

Seems like Swedish authorities are doing a great job, props to them.

I'm talking about Islamic terrorism not Sharia...
Literally hundreds of innocent lives lost in the past few years to Islamic terrorists attacks. Spin it how you want but terrorism in Europe has become an even bigger problem than before.
Of course people should continue living as normal but it doesn't mean that there's no problems to be addressed.

This isn't 1997.

The problems are being addressed. Stuff like this can't be solved in an instant though and it seems like some do expect things to work like that. Things might get a bit worse before they get better, it's a process.

 

[RoadHazard]

Sad situation all around, didn't know what to think when I heard about this. Wish the affected the best and peace to the fallen.

Seems like Swedish authorities are doing a great job, props to them.


This isn't 1997.

The problems are being addressed. Stuff like this can't be solved in an instant though and it seems like some do expect things to work like that. Things might get a bit worse before they get better, it's a process.

How are the problems being addressed, exactly? What are we doing to stop Islamism?

 

[Ozorov]

holy fuck stay away from social media, there are some horrifying videos and pictures everywhere.

Just saw one picture of one of the victims, very very graphic. RIP

 

[Chichikov]

I'm talking about Islamic terrorism not Sharia...
Literally hundreds of innocent lives lost in the past few years to Islamic terrorists attacks. Spin it how you want but terrorism in Europe has become an even bigger problem than before.
Of course people should continue living as normal but it doesn't mean that there's no problems to be addressed.

Since 9/11, around 600 people have been killed in Western Europe by Islamist terrorism (it can be a bit tricky to decide what to count, but figures goes from high 600s to low 500s).
For comparison, in 2015 alone, over 26,000 people died in car accidents.

Now I don't mean to make light of these attacks or the suffering they inflicted upon people, but Islamic terrorism in not currently an existential threat to Europe, nor is it a serious personal threat to its citizens. Terror is the tool of the weak, it's the tool of the people who knows they cannot win by the pure strength, it is meant to entice fear and make your opponent act irrationally and/or against their best interests.

p.s.
As other people in the thread mentioned, Europe went through more serious terror waves, and it managed to come through it without losing its mind and soul. I hope it can do it again.

 

[fantomena]

sick son of a bitch,

jail him for life. sentence accomplices,

stop accepting single male refugees

We have our disagreements, but I totally agree with you on this.

 

[Onlinehero]

How are the problems being addressed, exactly? What are we doing to stop Islamism?

Hotlines, early interventions, educating relevant state and municipality staff to identify radicalisation, media and police investigation and supervision, NGOs doing their share (Save the Children, VHEK, etc). What have you been doing?

 

[Drencrom]

Dunno if this was posted

https://mobile.twitter.com/Expressen/status/850410157527977984/video/1

Helvete...

Sickening, why would anyone do something like this

 

[harriet the spy]

Since 9/11, around 600 people have been killed in Western Europe by Islamist terrorism (it can be a bit tricky to decide what to count, but figures goes from high 600s to low 500s).
For comparison, in 2015 alone, over 26,000 people died in car accidents.

Now I don't mean to make light of these attacks or the suffering they inflicted upon people, but Islamic terrorism in not currently an existential threat to Europe, nor is it a serious personal threat to its citizens. Terror is the tool of the weak, it's the tool of the people who knows they cannot win by the pure strength, it is meant to entice fear and make your opponent act irrationally and/or against their best interests.

p.s.
As other people in the thread mentioned, Europe went through more serious terror waves, and it managed to come through it without losing its mind and soul. I hope it can do it again.

If someone made the argument about car accidents in a thread about the police shooting black people in the US, they would be banned and rightfully so. The car argument is dumb and people should stop using it. For better or worse car is ingrained in our civilization and we accept its risks in exchange for its benefits. To some extent you can control the risk factors in car (speeding is involved in a disproportionate number, along with alcohol; if you are terrified of cars you can also never take the road and only public transportation). Terrorism is efficient because there is so little you can control about it, barring not coming into public spaces.

 

[Drencrom]

Since 9/11, around 600 people have been killed in Western Europe by Islamist terrorism (it can be a bit tricky to decide what to count, but figures goes from high 600s to low 500s).
For comparison, in 2015 alone, over 26,000 people died in car accidents.

Now I don't mean to make light of these attacks or the suffering they inflicted upon people, but Islamic terrorism in not currently an existential threat to Europe, nor is it a serious personal threat to its citizens. Terror is the tool of the weak, it's the tool of the people who knows they cannot win by the pure strength, it is meant to entice fear and make your opponent act irrationally and/or against their best interests.

p.s.
As other people in the thread mentioned, Europe went through more serious terror waves, and it managed to come through it without losing its mind and soul. I hope it can do it again.

A mod derailing a thread with the tired, old "car accident" statistics to downplay terrorism in the wake of a terrorist attack?

Any poster would get immediately banned if this was about black police shootings or people lynching trans people etc.

 

[Sarcastic Poster]

The Troubles aren't comparable to Islamic extremism. The IRA had ideological goals which were achievable. Islamic terrorism's goal is the destruction and subjugation of Western society and values. And it's going to continue getting worse. It's not possible to protect from someone ploughing into a crowd or getting on a bus and detonating a bomb in their bag.