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Aaron Hernandez Dead by Suicide

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Cindi Mayweather

Cindi Mayweather

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wienke said:
Yeah sorry no.

I could imagine a post on OldGAF circa 1945

"Adolf Hitler killed himself"

"Well even murderers are people and this doesn't absolve him of his crimes but he was a human too"

If that sounds ridiculous than I feel like we'd be disagreeing over just how many murders a person has to commit before you don't feel sympathy for him. I think for most of us, that line ends prior to someone committing murder and not after.
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What.

Why does everything have to involve Hitler? What does Hitler have anything to do with this?
 
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Seductivpancakes

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People are then capable of caring for more than one person in a tragic event. Not just the victims, which is fine. With that said, I also don't blame people for having no sympathy for him cause I don't either.

Cindi Mayweather said:
What.

Why does everything have to involve Hitler? What does Hitler have anything to do with this?
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Its not a real internet conversation if Hitler wasn't mentioned.
 
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jmizzal

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Hernandez didnt appear suicidal, but he also didnt appear to be a murderer or into the things he was into to the public and around the Pats organization. We knew he wasnt an angel but nobody knew how bad things were, he was easy at fooling everybody, same thing happened here fooled everybody into thinking he was ok with prison, but in his heart it was prob eating him up inside.
 
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h1nch

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Cindi Mayweather said:
All I'm saying is there exists a pervading lack of understanding on these boards and you people can do better. Many of the same people who cheered when Trump voters with high potentiality for getting cancer had the possibility of losing health insurance are offering similar pleas as to why this is actually a good situation for his family and loved ones in this thread. It is gross.
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It is possible to have empathy towards his daughter and family while also expressing a lack of empathy towards the murderer himself.

This wasn't some dude who found himself on the wrong side of the tracks. He sought a particular lifestyle, and killed somewhere between 1 and 3 people, one of which was an entirely premeditated execution. Oh and he also shot another guy's eye out.

Is it really such a stretch for someone to think that the world is overall a much better place now that he's no longer in it?
 
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HammerOfThor

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I'm confused by this thread.

Some people feel bad for this guy? He murdered people in cold blood. He took the easy way out and the families of those he killed are going to continue to feel the real pain.
 
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Gordon Shumway

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NandoGip said:
Ok replace hitler with Ted Bundy, the point still stands
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Why does everything have to be about Ted Bundy?

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Maybe we can get some ribbons made for him? Where'd y'all get these?
 
Jesus Carbomb

Jesus Carbomb

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HammerOfThor said:
I'm confused by this thread.

Some people feel bad for this guy? He murdered people in cold blood. He took the easy way out and the families of those he killed are going to continue to feel the real pain.
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Some of the weirdest shit I've seen on this forum. Not gonna lie
 
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Aytumious

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Cindi Mayweather said:
Yeah, I don't blame them for not having empathy here. Just an unfortunate situation.
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Would you be making the same posts if he had raped multiple people instead of murdered multiple people?

If Darren Sharper kills himself in prison I wonder if we'll get the same type of so "sad" and "tragic" comments.
 
entremet

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Air Zombie Meat said:
We're rip'ing a murderer? Fucking sports fans.
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People can spit on his grave for all I care, but I still believe it's tragic story. Doesn't mean I don't think he's not a scumbag. He's scum.

I think people are confusing reacting a tragic story, both to his life, the lives he destroyed, and the lost potential, and to sympathy.

I'm not sympathetic to his situation. He earned it. I'm sympathetic to the lives he destroyed, including his own. It's just a waste of life. There's tragedy in that.
 
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mr jones

Ethnicity is not a race!
What's happening in this very thread is what's wrong with our prison system.

Folks are saying "fuck him. He's a murdering piece of trash. Rot in hell."

Thing is, there is something called Restorative Justice. The concept is that both the victims, and the perp can both be healed and made better after the crime. The criminal can be rehabilitated, and can become a citizen who is not only law-abiding, but is also a proponent for positive change. He or she acknowledges and takes responsibility for their crimes, and after paying their debt to society, they start making their communities better.

But many of you are saying that once someone commits a heinous crime, there is no redemption. There can be no chance for change. Just revenge.

I understand that mindset. HOWEVER, I do think that that mindset damages our prison system, and make our prisons the animal cages that they've become. Why bother trying to make yourself better after committing a crime, if no one will give you a chance to prove that you have been rehabilitated?
 
Cindi Mayweather

Cindi Mayweather

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entremet said:
People can spit on his grave for all I care, but I still believe it's tragic story. Doesn't mean I don't think he's not a scumbag. He's scum.

I think people are confusing reacting a tragic story, both to his life, the lives he destroyed, and the lost potential, and to sympathy.

I'm not sympathetic to his situation. He earned it. I'm sympathetic to the lives he destroyed, including his own. It's just a waste of life. There's tragedy in that.
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Exactly.
 
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LionPride

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Aytumious said:
Would you be making the same posts if he had raped multiple people instead of murdered multiple people?

If Darren Sharper kills himself in prison I wonder if we'll get the same type of so "sad" and "tragic" comments.
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On the topic of scumbags, Rae Carruth is getting out of jail, why is he still alive
 
Cindi Mayweather

Cindi Mayweather

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mr jones said:
What's happening in this very thread is what's wrong with our prison system.

Folks are saying "fuck him. He's a murdering piece of trash. Rot in hell."

Thing is, there is something called Restorative Justice. The concept is that both the victims, and the perp can both be healed and made better after the crime. The criminal can be rehabilitated, and can become a citizen who is not only law-abiding, but is also a proponent for positive change. He or she acknowledges and takes responsibility for their crimes, and after paying their debt to society, they start making their communities better.

But many of you are saying that once someone commits a heinous crime, there is no redemption. There can be no chance for change. Just revenge.

I understand that mindset. HOWEVER, I do think that that mindset damages our prison system, and make our prisons the animal cages that they've become. Why bother trying to make yourself better after committing a crime, if no one will give you a chance to prove that you have been rehabilitated?
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This truly does show how awful the American prison system is and how it became that way.

The put em in jail and throw away the key approach is clearly failing us.

I truly wonder why Hernandez did these things and if it's possible for him to have been rehabilitated.
 
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Seductivpancakes

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entremet said:
People can spit on his grave for all I care, but I still believe it's tragic story. Doesn't mean I don't think he's not a scumbag. He's scum.

I think people are confusing reacting a tragic story, both to his life, the lives he destroyed, and the lost potential, and to sympathy.

I'm not sympathetic to his situation. He earned it. I'm sympathetic to the lives he destroyed, including his own. It's just a waste of life. There's tragedy in that.
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Yeah this.

I think some of ya'll are taking it too personally about others having some sympathy for him.
 
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shandy706

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You had a kid.

Shakes head....I'd do anything to see my girls...even if I was kept in a box 24/7...just to see them I'd stick around.

I don't get the selfishness of many humans.
 
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Nere

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mr jones said:
What's happening in this very thread is what's wrong with our prison system.

Folks are saying "fuck him. He's a murdering piece of trash. Rot in hell."

Thing is, there is something called Restorative Justice. The concept is that both the victims, and the perp can both be healed and made better after the crime. The criminal can be rehabilitated, and can become a citizen who is not only law-abiding, but is also a proponent for positive change. He or she acknowledges and takes responsibility for their crimes, and after paying their debt to society, they start making their communities better.

But many of you are saying that once someone commits a heinous crime, there is no redemption. There can be no chance for change. Just revenge.

I understand that mindset. HOWEVER, I do think that that mindset damages our prison system, and make our prisons the animal cages that they've become. Why bother trying to make yourself better after committing a crime, if no one will give you a chance to prove that you have been rehabilitated?
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Well there is a difference between crimes and murder. Murder is too heavy to be forgiven.
 
Cindi Mayweather

Cindi Mayweather

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Aytumious said:
Would you be making the same posts if he had raped multiple people instead of murdered multiple people?

If Darren Sharper kills himself in prison I wonder if we'll get the same type of so "sad" and "tragic" comments.
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Yes.

You are unwittingly giving credibility to a mentality that feeds capital punishment. People think someone deserves it, so they justify them dying. I find it no different. It's still a lost of human life and terrible, no matter who the person is.
 
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mr jones

Ethnicity is not a race!
HammerOfThor said:
I'm confused by this thread.

Some people feel bad for this guy? He murdered people in cold blood. He took the easy way out and the families of those he killed are going to continue to feel the real pain.
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Nah, they are saddened by the tragedy of someone who had a lot of potential, an opportunity that is the equivalent of winning the lottery, and throwing it all away. He murdered someone, potentially others, and then murdered himself. Families lost loved ones, and his daughter lost a father. It's sad.
 
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LionPride

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Air Zombie Meat said:
If he'd served a long sentence and showed remorse then we can talk restorative justice.
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Honestly. If at all during his life sentence he showed remorse, aight I may feel a tinge bad. He's been in prison for two years and has now killed himself. Fuck him for being just a terrible person and good riddence. Hope his family does well in life.
 
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mr jones

Ethnicity is not a race!
Nere said:
Well there is a difference between crimes and murder. Murder is too heavy to be forgiven.
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I'll leave this for another thread, fam. I already started to derail an already shaky train by throwing in my post about Restorative Justice.

But I do want to respond to your post. Let's do that in a different thread, and leave this one about Hernandez.
 
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GreyWind

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HammerOfThor said:
I'm confused by this thread.

Some people feel bad for this guy? He murdered people in cold blood. He took the easy way out and the families of those he killed are going to continue to feel the real pain.
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I felt bad because he had potential and wasted it by murdering someone and now ended his life.
 
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azyless

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mr jones said:
What's happening in this very thread is what's wrong with our prison system.

Folks are saying "fuck him. He's a murdering piece of trash. Rot in hell."

Thing is, there is something called Restorative Justice. The concept is that both the victims, and the perp can both be healed and made better after the crime. The criminal can be rehabilitated, and can become a citizen who is not only law-abiding, but is also a proponent for positive change. He or she acknowledges and takes responsibility for their crimes, and after paying their debt to society, they start making their communities better.

But many of you are saying that once someone commits a heinous crime, there is no redemption. There can be no chance for change. Just revenge.

I understand that mindset. HOWEVER, I do think that that mindset damages our prison system, and make our prisons the animal cages that they've become. Why bother trying to make yourself better after committing a crime, if no one will give you a chance to prove that you have been rehabilitated?
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Not feeling sorry for a murderer dying doesn't mean everyone wants to restore the death penalty.
And I mean, in this case, he's the one who chose death over redemption.
Unless you're arguing that his sentence was too harsh to begin with but you're probably not gonna convince me that someone involved in several cold blooded murders deserved any better.
 
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whitemex88

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And to think, all he had to do was not murder anyone and he'd be a 2x Super Bowl champ making millions of dollars. Hanging with the wrong crowd leads to dumb decisions. Sorry to his family
 
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Pupperbabysassy

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Is it possible to conduct a Brain study on Hernandez? If he has or had CTE, could the Lloyd Family sue the NFL? It may be their only chance at justice.
 
Whompa02

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Flying Toaster said:
The guy was a monster no doubt. But suicide affects the family and he had a kid right?

You can wish a lot of shit on people but leave suicide off the wishlist please.
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Probably shouldn't have a kid if you take on a career of murdering people.

Cindi Mayweather said:
I truly wonder why Hernandez did these things and if it's possible for him to have been rehabilitated.
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The rest of your prison statement I agree with, but I don't get why you have such a passion in caring about this guy. He's scum. If we could help people BEFORE they murder people, then great, but if the act was done, then there's no reason to give him any sympathy.
 
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Keri

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I'm normally very empathetic, but I genuinely don't understand what there is to feel sorry for, in this situation. He was (rightfully) going to spend the rest of his life in prison. If he'd rather commit suicide than do that, well, OK. This isn't a typical suicide, where the person just needed to get help and could have lived a good life, with their family. That option was already over for him. I do feel badly for his family, but maybe this is better than visiting him in prison, for years and years and watching him (likely) deteriorate over time.
 
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GoldenEye 007

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Cindi Mayweather said:
This truly does show how awful the American prison system is and how it became that way.

The put em in jail and throw away the key approach is clearly failing us.

I truly wonder why Hernandez did these things and if it's possible for him to have been rehabilitated.
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He had quite a bit of time to explain before, during, and after with a massive support system through college and pro sports. But he chose not to.
 
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Boke1879

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entremet said:
People can spit on his grave for all I care, but I still believe it's tragic story. Doesn't mean I don't think he's not a scumbag. He's scum.

I think people are confusing reacting a tragic story, both to his life, the lives he destroyed, and the lost potential, and to sympathy.

I'm not sympathetic to his situation. He earned it. I'm sympathetic to the lives he destroyed, including his own. It's just a waste of life. There's tragedy in that.
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Unfortunately some people don't understand this rational explanation.
 
davepoobond

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
Took me by surprise. I thought he was acquitted. Was he still serving for other crimes or something?
 
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