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[LegendofJoe]

other departments won't want to hire him because the rank and file would never want a coworker that they know isn't casually homicidal

i could easily see unions blocking it or somehow causing enough trouble to keep him unemployed

He's a former Marine and judging by this story a damn good one. If he and some fellow officers ever came under fire you'd be stupid not to want him by your side.

 

[The Boat]

How the fuck did it get this bad? It's like a depressing dark comedy at this point.

 

[Anteo]

Of all the stories I read about US cops, this is the most fucked up because it shows how it doenst matter that good cops exisist

 

[EatinOlives]

No good deed goes unpunished.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Another reason to find something better to do while everyone else is standing for the national anthem and pledging allegiance to the flag.

 

[fallengorn]

This is completely maddening. Infuriating.

 

[wildfire]

Also where's the police union now eh?

This statement cuts me really deeply. Both outcomes are seriously dumb.

 

[TalonJH]

What the?

It sounds to me like he's a great human being and a great cop. The people who came in after him and shot the victim are the terrible cops. It confuses me that you think they should protect "order" and not people in America, that should never be the case, and it absolutely should be the other way around.

He's being sarcastic. As in, "Stephen Mader is a bad cop because he is not slightly homicidal."

 

[aeolist]

He's a former Marine and judging by this story a damn good one. If he and some fellow officers ever came under fire you'd be stupid not to want him by your side.

and american cops are extremely stupid

i really think they would rebel over something like this, they probably see the guy as a traitor

 

[Sai-kun]

Oh boy I hope you are joking if not you are a lunatic

i think he's saying that with the way the system of police works in our country right now, this guy was 'bad' by their standards

 

[Triggerhappytel]

This is awful. The guy showed he can perform well under pressure, read someone's intentions and diffuse a situation so no-one had to die. He sounds like a brilliant cop and should be getting promoted, not fired. Sadly I'm sure they're totally black and white with their rules, which he did not follow when approaching this man who was potentially dangerous.

 

[Darryl M R]

Great human being, terrible cop.

He didn't have the right mentality. Certain psychological profiles fit, and others don't.

It's well past time that we acknowledge that cops protect order, not people. Anything to the contrary being said is propaganda and/or a lie.

Man I swear it's hard to figure out if a post is joking or being serious when it comes to these police shootings. I just assume it is satirical when I see someone with a black avatar.

 

[BinaryPork2737]

He's being sarcastic. As in, "Stephen Mader is a bad cop because he is not slightly homicidal."

It's hard to tell who's being sarcastic and who isn't when it comes to these sort of posts at this point.

 

[Keby]

Hurtling ever faster towards judge dredd.

 

[Jmanunknown]

He's a former Marine and judging by this story a damn good one. If he and some fellow officers ever came under fire you'd be stupid not to want him by your side.

From all the stories about these situations soldiers tend to deal with these types of situations better because their training is a lot better. Its so sad that this man has a lot more honor and integrity then the profession that he wanted to and still wants to be a part of.

 

[Frankfurter]

How is this not the no. 1 story in all newspapers? This is crazy. Cop doesn't kill a man that doesn't pose in immediate danger and gets fired. How is possible, how is it legal?

 

[tearsintherain]

It unfortunately comes from the top, its clear the police chief here values the blue line more than anything else, and any cop who won't think first of his fellow officers (over citizens) is a liability, not an asset. Not every town and county is like that, some have very good police chiefs and LTs and sergeants who instill the idea that citizens come first and life should be taken only under extreme circumstances, but that is sadly still the minority of police organizations in the US.

Probably also the reason why most people don't really feel like they can do anything, how do you go about replacing the entire leadership of a bad police organization? Thats a very daunting task and requires some brave people to step up and go against folks who can make life extremely difficult for you and your family.

The pension thing is a bit of a red herring though, the cop is 25 years old and was hired July 2015. I don't think you get much of a pension (any?) for 1 year of work.

 

[JustenP88]

Man I swear it's hard to figure out if a post is joking or being serious when it comes to these police shootings. I just assume it is satirical when I see someone with a black avatar.

What's so objectionable about Alpha's post? The inference that cops weren't put here to keep us safe? How is that in doubt at this point?

 

[Lostconfused]

This.

Thank you

Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981) is an oft-quoted[2] District of Columbia Court of Appeals case that held that the police do not owe a specific duty to provide police services to citizens based on the public duty doctrine.


Im not a lunatic.

Reading up on this though, in the grand scheme of things the ruling is supposed to allow police to not be responsible for crimes they are not aware off. Like you can't hold every cop responsible for a mugging that nobody saw, or domestic abuse that is never reported.

In practice though this ruling saved those officers from their own mistakes and negligence.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

I hate this fucking country sometimes. This is bullshit.

 

[ColdPizza]

Sounds like the department was looking to get rid of him no matter the cost because he didn't strike them as a cop they could trust (with covering up their issues). Blue wall and all.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

These are structural incentives to make the police force more violent. And it's coming from the top.

 

[Rumblebones]

People need to march when shit like this happens. This is unacceptable.

 

[Scirrocco]

Exclusive video of the officer being fired:

https://youtu.be/faMh6OYfuNE?t=131

Spoiler

Its so hard to tell satire from real life these days

 

[Donos]

Onion piece right? Guys? ... W t f

 

[xk0sm0sx]

I thought I had bad enough impressions of USA. Only thing is you guys keep saying notallcops, dont generalize people, etc.
But this story just made me lost hope in ALL of your nation. ALL. How the fuck is there not even one good man helping this cop get justice.

 

[Whom_Gods_Annoy]

If this was a film noir it would be criticized for being too dark.

 

[BLOODED_hands]

Well.... I got nothing. Dude was too good to be a police officer. Did everything right and still got fired. Hope this gains traction.

 

[shadowkat]

This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read.

 

[Crosseyes]

I mean you couldn't make it any worse looking if they tried. Guy shows up, succeeds in deescalating the situation, backup comes and murders the man, and the best actor proceeds to be fired and have his life materially ruined more than almost any unjustified shooter.

Some precincts just deserve that insurgent shooter to exact some vengeance.

 

[TalonJH]

Man I swear it's hard to figure out if a post is joking or being serious when it comes to these police shootings. I just assume it is satirical when I see someone with a black avatar.

It's hard to tell who's being sarcastic and who isn't when it comes to these sort of posts at this point.

Yep, It's gotten that bad. We've had a few where we thought people were joking and then we realized they were serious.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Great human being, terrible cop.

He didn't have the right mentality. Certain psychological profiles fit, and others don't.

It's well past time that we acknowledge that cops protect order, not people. Anything to the contrary being said is propaganda and/or a lie.

- great empathy
- quick thinking
- excellent observation of situation
- quickly resorted to deescalation

Yup. Horrible cop.

 

[Rest]

According to conversations I've had on GAF, the existence of a gun is a threat to your life and the officer should have murdered this person for no reason other than that he was aware that he was in possession of a gun. What are you talking about, OP? This is obviously not a good cop, and a murder was the only reasonable outcome here. This man should be tarred and feathered for not committing a needless murder.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

- great empathy
- quick thinking
- excellent observation of situation
- quickly resorted to deescalation

Yup. Horrible cop.

the way the American cop system is currently he actually is the opposite of what police departments want.

On June 7, a Weirton officer delivered him a notice of termination letter dated June 6, which said by not shooting Mr. Williams he “failed to eliminate a threat.

THIS is what they want. trigger happy assholes.

 

[Griss]

This is what I've always believed - it's not a personnel problem, it's a training and institutional attitude problem.

Revolting. Props to that police officer. Even fired he's more a true police than many of those he leaves behind on the force.

 

[Easy_D]

Fuck. Dude made the right call, got punished for it and in the end nothing changed for the better. He should be proud of himself though.

Great human being, terrible cop.

He didn't have the right mentality. Certain psychological profiles fit, and others don't.

It's well past time that we acknowledge that cops protect order, not people. Anything to the contrary being said is propaganda and/or a lie.

Is this sarcasm.

 

[Davey Cakes]

The fact that the gun wasn't loaded in the end...

A cop made a legit good decision in the line of duty, even if a bit lucky, and it's like he's getting punished for it. I'm honestly baffled at the police. Baffled.

Bad judgment is brushed aside and good judgment is treated harshly. It's honestly outrageous.

Well.... I got nothing. Dude was too good to be a police officer. Did everything right and still got fired. Hope this gains traction.

Pretty much. At this point you have to be bloodthirsty and on a hair trigger to be a cop. Otherwise you'll be considered incapable of disposing of threats.

Sickening, to be honest. We should be trying to create a new model for the police, not trying to perpetuate the "shoot first, ask later" model currently being followed (in extreme cases, at least). Mader is a Marine at heart and apparently too good for the force.

 

[Codeacious]

Reading this made me extremely angry. How can people have hope that there are good cops after hearing a story like this?

It's hard to even argue "not all departments do this" when no one in the force/union seems to be supporting this guy.

 

[paradise_circus]

foxnews also writes this: "according to his June 6 termination letter. Mader is now working toward getting a commercial license to drive trucks"

 

[VanWinkle]

Wow. Unbelievable. There no place for good cops it seems.

 

[Alpha Centauri]

Ok I see my post being quoted with incredulous outrage.

What exactly is being objected to?

That cops aren't here to protect us?
That a person can be too good to be a cop?
That if you see that the police dept from the top down are not the good guys, it makes this firing understandable?

I might have a bit of snark in my post... But I don't get it. If you need me to expound on why, I guess I could... but it seems the majority (all?) of the thread would be in agreement with me. The story is proof enough.

 

[Verelios]

I am legitimately scared right now. Shoot first, ask questions later has always been the procedure, but my blood went cold when I read this.

 

[Funyarinpa]

fucked.... just fucked.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Police culture is fucked.

 

[Ravensmash]

WTF.

I can't really think of anything more to say about this.

The worst thing is that nothing will come of this, and it will just happen somewhere else next week...

 

[Sai-kun]

Ok I see my post being quoted with incredulous outrage.

What exactly is being objected to?

That cops aren't here to protect us?
That a person can be too good to be a cop?
That if you see that the police dept from the top down are not the good guys, it makes this firing understandable?

I might have a bit of snark in my post... But I don't get it. If you need me to expound on why, I guess I could... but it seems the majority (all?) of the thread would be in agreement with me. The story is proof enough.

I don't think people object so much as they are slightly confused because your wording was a little too snarky/playful. Cop doesn't shoot a guy -> You say he's a bad cop -> People get confused.

 

[lightskintwin]

Ok I see my post being quoted with incredulous outrage.

What exactly is being objected to?

That cops aren't here to protect us?
That a person can be too good to be a cop?
That if you see that the police dept from the top down are not the good guys, it makes this firing understandable?

I might have a bit of snark in my post... But I don't get it. If you need me to expound on why, I guess I could... but it seems the majority (all?) of the thread would be in agreement with me. The story is proof enough.

I got it, and you're right.

 

[Enzom21]

This is what I've always believed - it's not a personnel problem, it's a training and institutional attitude problem.

Revolting. Props to that police officer. Even fired he's more a true police than many of those he leaves behind on the force.

It's both. There are plenty of piece of shit cops. The profession attracts sociopaths.

 

[jelly]

So, has Hilary alluded to sorting out the police if she gets in and has Obama made any moves during his terms to do something?

The police seem well and truly fucked, they need to root out that culture.

 

[Ogodei]

Fire the entire department, make him the chief of police, defund all of their pensions and give them to him. One person knows what he's doing, the rest clearly don't.