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Actual Good Cop doesn't shoot a man. Gets Fired and Denied Pension

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Linkark07

Banned
If you do the right act you get fired, if do wrong you get rewarded plus a big and fat paycheck. What a twisted world we live in.
 

Sean C

Member
The people who came in after him and shot the victim are the terrible cops.
From the accounts I've read of the situation, that's unfair -- the guy was advancing on them and waving around a gun they did not know was unloaded. Mader himself said it was understandable given the circumstances.

That the force fired Mader is the ridiculous part of this.
 
I was expecting to get to the end of the story and find that the man shot himself anyway

Then it revealed two other officers shot him and his gun wasn't loaded


guess I'm still not cynical enough for American cop stories, shit
 

soultron

Banned
The guy actually performed the part of his job where he risked his life down to protect and serve the citizen. This is the thanks he gets.
 
Also where's the police union now eh?
Sadly, because the honest officer was on probation the union cannot do a thing. As the article states West Virginia is an at-will state and therefore the police officer would accrue no rights until the probationary status was lifted. I doubt Offc. Mater was around long enough to be vested into the pension plan as well (which is why he was fired with no benefits)and didn't qualify for pension payout. Again, nothing the union can do. This sort of things is state law and not some jurisdictional bullshit.
 

Wilsongt

Member
West Virginia.

Cop follows protocol. Gets fired.

Cops shoot first and ask questions later on a daily basis: paid vacation.

Fuck.
 

Infinite

Member
West Virginia.

Cop follows protocol. Gets fired.

Cops shoot first and ask questions later on a daily basis: paid vacation.

Fuck.
Except the police departments across the country has made it very clear to us that proper protocol is shooting first and asking questions later.
 

Klyka

Banned
This is pretty much one of the worst police stories I have ever read.

Everything about this is wrong. Just absolutely everything.
 
Would it be possible to have a suicide/special needs unit or division inside of each County to report to these scenes with full body armor non lethal weapons in the near future.
 

Figboy79

Aftershock LA
This is such a fucked up country.

A police officer does his job (at great risk to himself anyway), and he gets punished for it. He shouldn't have been punished for properly assessing a situation. And like they said, there were other officers there. If shit had gone sideways, he had backup. Now there's one less good cop on the streets, and a whole heap of bad ones, thinking they're Dirty Harry and that every citizen encounter is an action setpiece waiting to happen. Frustrating and depressing.
 
Only read a page and a half but is there a GoFundMe or some kind of support for this guy? He should be receiving a medal for everyone coming out of the situation alive and the correct action to be taken for this man who needed help.
 

Izayoi

Banned
Moral of the story:

Never call the cops, under any circumstance. Every interaction with them is dangerous.

Avoid at all costs.
 

digdug2k

Member
Only read a page and a half but is there a GoFundMe or some kind of support for this guy? He should be receiving a medal for everyone coming out of the situation alive and the correct action to be taken for this man who needed help.
Somehow, I don't think you read the OP.
 
Where's the fundraiser?

The outrage at a good cop with a good soul doing his job perfectly?

A town picketing and protesting that he should be rehired?

Where are the fucking news stories and headlines for this? The reports fighting for primetime news coverage?

I have so many awful things I want to say that would get me banned, but I'll just walk away from my keyboard a while because fuck me, man, something needs to go down for anything to ever change and it's not going to be something pretty.
 

Alexlf

Member
Moral of the story:

Never call the cops, under any circumstance. Every interaction with them is dangerous.

Avoid at all costs.

Not entirely true. If you think your going to be killed you should call them so at the very least you can take your attacker with you.
 

Easy_D

never left the stone age
Ok I see my post being quoted with incredulous outrage.

What exactly is being objected to?

That cops aren't here to protect us?
That a person can be too good to be a cop?
That if you see that the police dept from the top down are not the good guys, it makes this firing understandable?

I might have a bit of snark in my post... But I don't get it. If you need me to expound on why, I guess I could... but it seems the majority (all?) of the thread would be in agreement with me. The story is proof enough.

It's kinda hard to see if you agree with the way things are run or not on the internet, there are some weird people who probably think the firing is a good thing and I always assume the worst about people online :lol
 
That officer should be commended with a medal for sure, zero doubt about it. But this line is kind of presumptive on the author's part:
"But it does show that Mader had read Williams correctly — he wasn’t actually a threat to anyone but himself."
You can't really say a person holding a gun and wanting to kill himself isn't a threat to anyone. You don't know what's going on in their minds at that moment. Even thinking about committing suicide shows you're not mentally well. Anything can go south in a heartbeat.

Anyway, I hope this goes farther in court. He's an example for officers around the country.
 

SSPssp

Member
That officer should be commended with a medal for sure, zero doubt about it. But this line is kind of presumptive on the author's part:
You can't really say a person holding a gun and wanting to kill himself isn't a threat to anyone. You don't know what's going on in their minds at that moment. Even thinking about committing suicide shows you're not mentally well. Anything can go south in a heartbeat.

Anyway, I hope this goes farther in court. He's an example for officers around the country.

In this case theres no presumption being made, the gun wasn't loaded and it played out as suicide by cop.
 
I got nothing. I mean, I've had nothing for a while with police shootings but I've tipped into the negative a while back and this is just one more for that pile.

At some point I expected there to be something that clicked but nope. The Police institution in this country is beyond absurd. I have no words.

RIP to the victim and I hope the cop lands on his feet.
 

SSPssp

Member
Does a police officer arriving at a scene like this know that though? There wouldn't have been a way to be sure.

That isn't what the author's statement you quoted is about though : "But it does show that Mader had read Williams correctly — he wasn’t actually a threat to anyone but himself."

What part of that isn't borne out by the facts?
 
That isn't what the author's statement you quoted is about though : "But it does show that Mader had read Williams correctly — he wasn’t actually a threat to anyone but himself."

What part of that isn't borne out by the facts?
But that's my point. I read the article but I didn't read anywhere where Mader said he knew the gun was empty, it sounds like he lucked out and it wasn't loaded. I could be wrong but that's how the article came across to me.
 

SSPssp

Member
But that's my point. I read the article but I didn't read anywhere where Mader said he knew the gun was empty, it sounds like he lucked out and it wasn't loaded. I could be wrong but that's how the article came across to me.

The statement is simply that Mader read him correctly, which he did. If you're saying that Mader could've been mistaken, it could happen but it didn't? Anyhow, Mader was certainly brave and calm.

Edit: You mentioning the article and the author being presumptive is throwing me off, I think. Sorry, if you just meant Mader took a risk then you're right.
 

Principate

Saint Titanfall
But that's my point. I read the article but I didn't read anywhere where Mader said he knew the gun was empty, it sounds like he lucked out and it wasn't loaded. I could be wrong but that's how the article came across to me.

That was likely part of the cops decison making. Think about it why would this guy who ask a cop to shoot and kill him by waving around a gun to provoke a cop to shoot him. If the gun was loaded or he had any intension to shoot anyone he wouldn't have needed to go through the farce of a suicide by cop, he would have shot himself.

Of course there was a chance he really could have simply been that deranged to be a threat but there was a reasonable enough chance otherwise. The officer took the risk and it turned out to be correct.
 

kirblar

Member
But that's my point. I read the article but I didn't read anywhere where Mader said he knew the gun was empty, it sounds like he lucked out and it wasn't loaded. I could be wrong but that's how the article came across to me.
He got a read on the guy and realized he was trying to Suicide by Cop because he kept threatening to shoot while not actually doing anything- he was scared. If at any point the gun gets pointed towards the cops, he's going to get shot, but since their sights are set on him, they're almost certainly going to get him before he can shoot. They unnecessarily escalated when he was in the process of trying to deescalate.
 

Jonogunn

Member
I hope this story gains a lot of traction and some justice is done about this situation.

Just like that a guy who had mental problems could have had a second chance at life but nope.
 
Sounds like he got fired for making the other cops look bad. I am picturing police force that is so jaded, so disgruntled, that they've basically said 'screw it. Screw the public. We will protect our own. We will not hesitate in the slightest and the public can suffer for it.' I know I'm over extending here but that's the impression this gives.
 

GK86

Homeland Security Fail
Such sad news. Not only was a man trying to make a difference and save a life, but a life was lost over two trigger happy mofos.
 

Eppy Thatcher

God's had his chance.
Nope. I'm fucking done ever trying to defend the Institution of Police here in the states. Here is this fucking golden opportunity to clearly show that police who do their job properly and keep their heads while saving lives are the examples departments want to have other officers follow and you fucking fire him and kill his pension?
BUT OOHHHH Now the officers that fucking MURDERED THE BLACK GUY get medals and hand jobs and paid time off and all sorts of other shit cause FUCK justice and whats right and rewarding brave, confident and strong officers. We need weak fucking trigger happy pussies around here!!

FUCK these people. So fucking tired of this garbage.
 
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