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[Mondy]

This response of playing down the importance of resolution and frame rate in games is very typical of the mainstream press where they try and apply a balanced viewpoint to every position, even if the balance is not there at all. You see it all the time in Politics, especially recently during the shutdown fiasco in the US. In this instance, they're being very careful not to present a distinct position against Microsoft in fear of backlash.

I respect Sessler as well, but he is walking a tightrope with this one.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I have no idea why so many here are developing a persecution complex in regards to the PS4 and gaming journalism. You're the majority, what reason is there to constantly look for and often imagine ways that you think your stance isn't being expressed enough by people who are free to have their own opinions? It seems every day now that an article or journalist's opinion will be posted here and get mobbed for not praising the PS4 enough. Many times the stance will be wildly misinterpreted and that misinterpretation will be ran with. People are acting like there's a steady stream of journalists saying that the power difference "doesn't matter" when I don't know if I've actually seen that said a single time.

When the power of the consoles is discussed it seems that anything less than unrealistically glowing praise of the PS4 is perceived as "downplaying the power difference". Oftentimes the very reasonable opinion is expressed by a gaming site that the obsession some have with the power difference is a bit overblown in regards to determining how much each console will sell. Yet this stance is never considered and saying anything even close to it is written off as "bias" or apologism. Any attempt to discuss the power difference in a wider context where it's treated as anything less than the most important thing ever is immediately discounted. I'm not sure how anybody could not see how out of control the focus on power on this site is. Sure it's worth discussing and a big issue but it's simply not something worth discussing more than everything else combined.

The accusations of bias are becoming completely out of control. There's simply no reason for such a bias to exist in the vast majority of cases people are claiming there is. It's making discussion of articles very difficult as many members here feel a need for every opinion posted to absolutely line up to their own and any attempt to challenge a narrative that has been established here is shut down immediately. That discourages critical thinking, I'm not sure why so many desire views to be homogenized to align with their own when there are multiple valid ways of thinking in nearly every situation. There is no conspiracy in the media to favor one console-maker and thinking such a thing borders on craziness. I welcome diverse views and it's a real shame that some here don't.

Fantastic post.

 

[Tripon]

But they need to be called out as a whole, there is no governing body or accountability structure in gaming journalism so they need to publicly in a painful and embarrassing way call out BS when its perpetrated as well as people who are in fact in bag for Sony,Nintendo,MS or any other outside influence. Because you can't tell me that if major sitesor even journalists inside a site started calling eachothers bullshit that the gaming press culture wouldn't shape up fast.

Honestly, games industry needs a Daily Show and Colbert Report equivalent. Somebody just to yell bullshit in a hilarious manner 4 nights a week.

 

[Duxxy3]

So, after I watched today's Sessler's Something, I thought the whole argument was odd, since I remember Adam Sessler's pretty much arguing that his expectation were always 1080p/60 for these two new consoles, and that they needed to something more.

So I looked up the video from his panel he did last June for this year's Screw Attack Gaming Convention, and well....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mJl_zKAu0

Certainly, Adam Sessler has always said that games needs to innovate and show us(the consumers and the press) what a next gen concept is, but he certainly expected both the XBox One, and PS4 to be 1080p/60.

So now that we have confirmation that one system is clearly having issues with it, what changed in Sessler's expectations?

Well that about wraps this up.

It's rare for a journalist to be caught with his pants down, but this is one of those instances.

 

[daman824]

Well IW had Microsoft Engineers on location through part their development process to assist in getting the game up to where they got it. Not sure if they also had Sony Engineers on hand.

CBOAT implying that initial resolution issues are ms ESRAM tools related + a more graphically demanding game by a wide margin having a smaller resolution difference makes me believe that IW just ran out of time on this one. MS played a part in the issue by releasing a complicated system. But as devs start to understand the ESRAM, I think that the resolutions will increase. Not to PS4 levels mind you, but I think that 900p on xb1 will be the norm when the ps4 version is at 1080p and 720p will be the norm when the ps4 version is at 900p.

 

[DanteGhost]

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I feel journalists like Adam Sessler are pretty much spitting on their readers/followers by not stating the facts of each console. If you are tight on money, and you can only pick up 1 console, $100 makes a huge difference, and I feel the reader deserves to know about the different cons and pros of each console. The fact they are trying to downplay this differences should be a big red flag in regards to their credibility and integrity as journalists.

But the stance some gamers are taking against the Xbone is getting ridiculous.
(even though in some cases is understandable). We are not talking about a $600 console and it is also offering some good quality games at launch, that as off lately had swayed me to consider buying an XBone (Dead Rising 3 and Forza).

I actually think this so called "journalists" are hurting the Xbone, and its pretty clear by the outrage it causes. And all this coming from a Pro Sony gamer.

 

[Valnen]

I have no idea why so many here are developing a persecution complex in regards to the PS4 and gaming journalism. You're the majority, what reason is there to constantly look for and often imagine ways that you think your stance isn't being expressed enough by people who are free to have their own opinions? It seems every day now that an article or journalist's opinion will be posted here and get mobbed for not praising the PS4 enough. Many times the stance will be wildly misinterpreted and that misinterpretation will be ran with. People are acting like there's a steady stream of journalists saying that the power difference "doesn't matter" when I don't know if I've actually seen that said a single time.

When the power of the consoles is discussed it seems that anything less than unrealistically glowing praise of the PS4 is perceived as "downplaying the power difference". Oftentimes the very reasonable opinion is expressed by a gaming site that the obsession some have with the power difference is a bit overblown in regards to determining how much each console will sell. Yet this stance is never considered and saying anything even close to it is written off as "bias" or apologism. Any attempt to discuss the power difference in a wider context where it's treated as anything less than the most important thing ever is immediately discounted. I'm not sure how anybody could not see how out of control the focus on power on this site is. Sure it's worth discussing and a big issue but it's simply not something worth discussing more than everything else combined.

The accusations of bias are becoming completely out of control. There's simply no reason for such a bias to exist in the vast majority of cases people are claiming there is. It's making discussion of articles very difficult as many members here feel a need for every opinion posted to absolutely line up to their own and any attempt to challenge a narrative that has been established here is shut down immediately. That discourages critical thinking, I'm not sure why so many desire views to be homogenized to align with their own when there are multiple valid ways of thinking in nearly every situation. There is no conspiracy in the media to favor one console-maker and thinking such a thing borders on craziness. I welcome diverse views and it's a real shame that some here don't.

This is literally the best post I've ever read on this message board. Well said.

 

[bigboss370]

just read through most of the thread, and what i'm concluding so far is that:

a) He's not a paid shill or whatnot for MS, but

b) he does have a strong bias for MS' console.

--> He not only defended the DRM policies MS had, but insisted on his viewers that Sony wasn't being forthcoming and also had DRM policies, whereas Sony said the opposite. I mean, even after all the controversy it was attracting on the internet, and things like the #noDRM campaigns trending on twitter, even mainstream media reporting about it...he insisted it was a messaging fault of MS rather than a legitimate bad policy that the general audience did not want. This shows he obviously cannot speak for "most people" or the "general audience" when it comes to these issues.

--> The time where he started adding the price of PS+ among other things to try and balance the PS4's cheaper price against X1's, while excluding the price of Live. I recall even his co-host (or his guest) brought it up and he brushed it aside very quickly.

--> Now he's trying to undermine the technical, factual differences across the same game(s) on the two competing systems, for some reason defending the more expensive system which is putting out an inferior performance. This, after we found out that months ago he was expecting both systems to pull off 1080p/60fps across a majority of games.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

All in all, the journalists saying it's not a big deal will have to come around if the difference keeps up. They can't continue down that path forever, especially if game after game looks better on PS4. We're all anticipating these console launches. It's an exciting time. Heck when wiiu launched it was a awesome time. Adam is probably still tired from E3.

That said, what is Redgaming? The article I posted on the last page seem to have quite a bit of information. How reliable is this site? Interesting read, though I'm thinking some of this stuff is assumption?

http://www.redgamingtech.com/xbox-one-esram-720p-why-its-causing-a-resolution-bottleneck-analysis/
Xbox One – ESRAM & 720P – Why It’s Causing A Resolution Bottleneck – Analysis

Seems like a Europe site.

 

[RaikuHebi]

I have no idea why so many here are developing a persecution complex in regards to the PS4 and gaming journalism.

Because the PS4 is cheaper but performs better than twice the gap between Wii and PS3/360.

 

[Brashnir]

I have no idea why so many here are developing a persecution complex in regards to the PS4 and gaming journalism. You're the majority, what reason is there to constantly look for and often imagine ways that you think your stance isn't being expressed enough by people who are free to have their own opinions? It seems every day now that an article or journalist's opinion will be posted here and get mobbed for not praising the PS4 enough. Many times the stance will be wildly misinterpreted and that misinterpretation will be ran with. People are acting like there's a steady stream of journalists saying that the power difference "doesn't matter" when I don't know if I've actually seen that said a single time.

When the power of the consoles is discussed it seems that anything less than unrealistically glowing praise of the PS4 is perceived as "downplaying the power difference". Oftentimes the very reasonable opinion is expressed by a gaming site that the obsession some have with the power difference is a bit overblown in regards to determining how much each console will sell. Yet this stance is never considered and saying anything even close to it is written off as "bias" or apologism. Any attempt to discuss the power difference in a wider context where it's treated as anything less than the most important thing ever is immediately discounted. I'm not sure how anybody could not see how out of control the focus on power on this site is. Sure it's worth discussing and a big issue but it's simply not something worth discussing more than everything else combined.

The accusations of bias are becoming completely out of control. There's simply no reason for such a bias to exist in the vast majority of cases people are claiming there is. It's making discussion of articles very difficult as many members here feel a need for every opinion posted to absolutely line up to their own and any attempt to challenge a narrative that has been established here is shut down immediately. That discourages critical thinking, I'm not sure why so many desire views to be homogenized to align with their own when there are multiple valid ways of thinking in nearly every situation. There is no conspiracy in the media to favor one console-maker and thinking such a thing borders on craziness. I welcome diverse views and it's a real shame that some here don't.

Post of the year. That shit is making GAF practically unreadable.

 

[Skilletor]

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I feel journalists like Adam Sessler are pretty much spitting on their readers/followers by not stating the facts of each console. If you are tight on money, and you can only pick up 1 console, $100 makes a huge difference, and I feel the reader deserves to know about the different cons and pros of each console. The fact they are trying to downplay this differences should be a big red flag in regards to their credibility and integrity as journalists.

But the stance some gamers are taking against the Xbone is getting ridiculous.
(even though in some cases is understandable). We are not talking about a $600 console and it is also offering some good quality games at launch, that as off lately had swayed me to consider buying an XBone (Dead Rising 3 and Forza).

I actually think this so called "journalists" are hurting the Xbone, and its pretty clear by the outrage it causes. And all this coming from a Pro Sony gamer.

/pokes head in

My PS3 was 500 bucks.

/goes back to lurking

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Don't compare outlets in the past to different outlets in the future. Don't compare reviews to pre release pieces. Don't extrapolate a small sample to the whole of games journalism.

For example, CVG is one of the cited websites and they just ran an article about the resolution differences in COD.

Soooooo

I don't think anyone is saying that "all games writers are....", just noting that the number of very prominent articles that have downplayed these differences in the past few days have been pretty significant and that based on our recollection there seemed to be far more downplaying of graphical differences than there has been in the past.

No single article on either end is going to prove or disprove this particular assertion because in order to somehow academically prove one way or another the general attitudes of the press towards this issue last generation is going to be impossible.

All I know is that from my perspective as a Wii-only owner at the start of the generation and a 360 owner at the end of it, there was much hand-wringing about the Wii's inferior graphic capabilities and consistent sentiment that multi-plats on 360 were almost always superior, often aided by the better graphics.

If your general sense of last generation is different, then I can understand not finding the sentiment strange.

 

[Wille517]

Honestly, games industry needs a Daily Show and Colbert Report equivalent. Somebody just to yell bullshit in a hilarious manner 4 nights a week.

I feel like you explained my thoughts better then I was able to write them.Side note The poster like 2 pages back lifeexpectancy I believe deserves a award for best oost of the thread and maybe even the entire topic of the resolutiongate.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Honestly, games industry needs a Daily Show and Colbert Report equivalent. Somebody just to yell bullshit in a hilarious manner 4 nights a week.

To be fair, I think you would find such Daily Show or Colbert Report equivalents far more likely to make fun of people who believe they can look at a game and automatically tell which is 1080p and which is 900p or 720p.

Now tell me you wouldn't see a bunch of people getting that wrong? Nobody even realized that Killer Instinct wasn't 1080p. Nobody caught on to the fact that Ryse was native 900p. Forza 5 is 1080p native at 60fps, and many would say, or have said, that it doesn't look any more visually superior than games already confirmed running at lower resolutions, and certainly seems to have, in certain cases, more aliasing also. So there's really no simple way for either side to look at Xbox One games and say, "This game would have almost certainly looked better at native 1080p." Sure, it might have looked better at native 1080p on stronger hardware, but what about on Xbox One?

If DICE had to make BF4 on Xbox One at 720p. Just imagine how the game might have suffered at native 1080p. Make no mistake, they could have easily done so if they were willing to make significant visual downgrades.

Post of the year. That shit is making GAF practically unreadable.

I'd certainly put it up there.

 

[MilkBeard]

I have no idea why so many here are developing a persecution complex in regards to the PS4 and gaming journalism. You're the majority, what reason is there to constantly look for and often imagine ways that you think your stance isn't being expressed enough by people who are free to have their own opinions? It seems every day now that an article or journalist's opinion will be posted here and get mobbed for not praising the PS4 enough. Many times the stance will be wildly misinterpreted and that misinterpretation will be ran with. People are acting like there's a steady stream of journalists saying that the power difference "doesn't matter" when I don't know if I've actually seen that said a single time.

When the power of the consoles is discussed it seems that anything less than unrealistically glowing praise of the PS4 is perceived as "downplaying the power difference". Oftentimes the very reasonable opinion is expressed by a gaming site that the obsession some have with the power difference is a bit overblown in regards to determining how much each console will sell. Yet this stance is never considered and saying anything even close to it is written off as "bias" or apologism. Any attempt to discuss the power difference in a wider context where it's treated as anything less than the most important thing ever is immediately discounted. I'm not sure how anybody could not see how out of control the focus on power on this site is. Sure it's worth discussing and a big issue but it's simply not something worth discussing more than everything else combined.

The accusations of bias are becoming completely out of control. There's simply no reason for such a bias to exist in the vast majority of cases people are claiming there is. It's making discussion of articles very difficult as many members here feel a need for every opinion posted to absolutely line up to their own and any attempt to challenge a narrative that has been established here is shut down immediately. That discourages critical thinking, I'm not sure why so many desire views to be homogenized to align with their own when there are multiple valid ways of thinking in nearly every situation. There is no conspiracy in the media to favor one console-maker and thinking such a thing borders on craziness. I welcome diverse views and it's a real shame that some here don't.

Good point. While I think the difference does matter and should be exposed, the accusations are becoming a bit extreme. A gaming journalist isn't going to give the kind of response that some people want them to have. It is their job to take a step back at times and not jump to conclusions. While there are some examples of people going back on their word, there is a difference between acknowledging something in theory and adjusting your expectations when you know what is being handed to you.


That being said, I know the differences and I'm going to be keen on them. I know what console I'm getting; part of it is the games that appeal to me, and part of it definitely is the technical aspect. For someone like myself who already owns a WiiU, I want to make sure that my other next gen console is going to be the one that performs the best. Thankfully it is such that the games that end up on a Sony console appeal to me the most.

 

[unbias]

I have no idea why so many here are developing a persecution complex in regards to the PS4 and gaming journalism. You're the majority, what reason is there to constantly look for and often imagine ways that you think your stance isn't being expressed enough by people who are free to have their own opinions? It seems every day now that an article or journalist's opinion will be posted here and get mobbed for not praising the PS4 enough. Many times the stance will be wildly misinterpreted and that misinterpretation will be ran with. People are acting like there's a steady stream of journalists saying that the power difference "doesn't matter" when I don't know if I've actually seen that said a single time.

When the power of the consoles is discussed it seems that anything less than unrealistically glowing praise of the PS4 is perceived as "downplaying the power difference". Oftentimes the very reasonable opinion is expressed by a gaming site that the obsession some have with the power difference is a bit overblown in regards to determining how much each console will sell. Yet this stance is never considered and saying anything even close to it is written off as "bias" or apologism. Any attempt to discuss the power difference in a wider context where it's treated as anything less than the most important thing ever is immediately discounted. I'm not sure how anybody could not see how out of control the focus on power on this site is. Sure it's worth discussing and a big issue but it's simply not something worth discussing more than everything else combined.

The accusations of bias are becoming completely out of control. There's simply no reason for such a bias to exist in the vast majority of cases people are claiming there is. It's making discussion of articles very difficult as many members here feel a need for every opinion posted to absolutely line up to their own and any attempt to challenge a narrative that has been established here is shut down immediately. That discourages critical thinking, I'm not sure why so many desire views to be homogenized to align with their own when there are multiple valid ways of thinking in nearly every situation. There is no conspiracy in the media to favor one console-maker and thinking such a thing borders on craziness. I welcome diverse views and it's a real shame that some here don't.

I'm pretty sure what people want isnt glowing praise of the PS4, but to not couch the PS4's power in favor of saying it wont really matter; let the consumer decide that. If you think the games are what drives the systems, then you addressing that it isn't that big of a deal is pointless and only drives more speculation as to intent. Couching statements that it is all about the games with, "well the differences wont really matter" servers no real purpose.

 

[DanteGhost]

/pokes head in

My PS3 was 500 bucks.

/goes back to lurking

Premium was $600 for me back in 2006, which is closer to $800 in today's money. Don't regret it though, has been an awesome roller coaster with my ps3.

 

[daman824]

Because the PS4 is cheaper but performs better than twice the gap between Wii and PS3/360.

This post is incredibly misleading. The wii was graphically a generation behind the 360/ps3. Multiplatform games ran at significantly lower resolutions, had vastly inferior shadows, antio aliasing, lighting, physics, poly counts, draw distances, LOD, physics, textures, and shaders. In multiplayer games, the wii version had all of these issues plus lower character counts. In alot of cases, the wii versions of multiplatforms had all of these differences and were capped at half the framerate.

 

[Leflus]

oh please. the mainstream gaming press is saying "resolutions aren't that big a deal. calm down". no one is saying, "oh every gaming press person is saying this and that." but the majority of the press that people read and watch videos from are doing the opposite approach this gen vs. last-gen. how much of the mainstream press are there saying, "it doesn't matter"? a lot.

"but you're categorizing them as one big entity." no, and that is why multiple examples from multiple sites were presented, to show how much they agreed on their stances and to compare how much they agree on the issues now. no one is generalizing, but you' have to lack some awareness if you think the articles and videos from the past week are from the minority or those who can't affect any purchasing decisions. no one is saying, "they're all like that. let's pile them up and count them as one being"
it's "they all did that, and look at what they're doing now."

Err.. As far as I can see, you only mentioned examples of comparisons between 360 and PS3 games. Plus, they were reviews.

Guess what? PS4 and XBO haven't even been launched yet. None of the games have been reviewed.

Wait for the reviews to come out before you release the hounds.

But they need to be called out as a whole, there is no governing body or accountability structure in gaming journalism so they need to publicly in a painful and embarrassing way call out BS when its perpetrated as well as people who are in fact in bag for Sony,Nintendo,MS or any other outside influence. Because you can't tell me that if major sitesor even journalists inside a site started calling eachothers bullshit that the gaming press culture wouldn't shape up fast.

Sure... the press needs to be held accountable for certain things. Calling them out for something that they haven't done yet is quite silly, though.

 

[PBY]

Err.. As far as I can see, you only mentioned examples of comparisons between 360 and PS3 games. Plus, they were reviews.

Guess what? PS4 and XBO haven't even been launched yet. None of the games have been reviewed.

Wait for the reviews to come out before you release the hounds.


Sure... the press needs to be held accountable for certain things. Calling them out for something that they haven't done yet is quite silly, though.

Totally agree

 

[mr teaspoon]

Well, without desiring to assert that Sessler specifically is biased, I think you are sort of oversimplifying things here. You're right. Having affinities for certain products doesn't automatically make one unqualified to make observations -- particularly quantifiable observations. However, there are times when our predilections for things influence us in ways we don't necessarily care to admit. It happens all the time wherein people strive valiantly to make objective claims when it's clear that they are not in a position to do so.

Yes, but is this really one of those times? I mean....Nintendo's decision to go down a new road with the Wii, there's an issue that might make you think 'I wonder how much nostalgia and personal affection have an input on peoples opinions?'

But 'Call of Duty 720p at launch'? Are we really going to cry bias over somebody not being blown away by that news?

Is this a real post? Every staunch console warrior who never waivers through bad news is someone who has made it to High School (I think) and has a company bias.

What does that mean, 'never waivers through bad news'? Does that mean 'is so obsessively attached to the brand as to go online and get in arguments with people'? Or does it just mean 'sticks with a trusted brand despite setbacks'? The former does not strike me as the type of personality Adam Sessler has, the latter is perfectly normal.

 

[disastermouse]

Well, Eurogamer announced that Super Mario Galaxy was their Game of the Generation. So there's that.

Well yeah. Cuz it was fucking awesome. Let's face the facts that the Wii was sufficiently underpowered that it had to have special, completely different versions of games that the PS3/XB360 had.

I mean, I don't expect that to be the case for the Xbone until early 2015.

Spoiler

/kidding

 

[thepotatoman]

Honestly, my first impression in terms of trying to understand these views -- whether we chalk them up as contrarian takes or calls for sanity can be left up to you to decide -- is people conflating cries that "tech superiority is important" as "tech is the only thing that matters." And I think assuming that the former necessarily equates to the latter obfuscates the entire discussion. The fact that the hype cycle is in full thrust meaning that console wars tensions are at maximum capacity I think leads some to assume that everyone is a fanboy if one is approaching from a more even-keeled perspective and isn't necessarily enamored with tech themselves*.

But I think we can call for sanity and concede that the games are obviously matters at the end of the day without deriding the spectacle entirely in terms of why people are riled up. If one system is indeed clearly more capable -- particularly one that is less expensive -- it's pretty easy for me to understand why this is causing so much commotion. This is particularly true given what time it is right now. It's launch hype season. It should be understandable when unimportant distinctions get amplified. When the distinction is non-trivial, this is even more true if you ask me.

*Note, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt here for the sake of the argument, and am not really interested in considering the alternative possibility that Sessler is a fanboy/shill himself.

This does make some sense. If you're getting a hundred thousand tweets and posts about a difference that is significant but not hugely significant, do you want to stir the pot by saying the difference is significant? What sort of reaction are you going to get if you give the PS4 version of COD a score .5 higher than the XBO version? Probably you'll get a reaction much much larger than a .5 difference deserves.

Maybe the only reason this is a problem this time and not 8 years ago is there was no Twitter for these people to have to deal with.

Problem is, if they're going to try and appease the crazies, they're going to look crazy themselves.

 

[RaikuHebi]

This post is incredibly misleading. The wii was graphically a generation behind the 360/ps3. Multiplatform games ran at significantly lower resolutions, had vastly inferior shadows, antio aliasing, lighting, physics, poly counts, draw distances, LOD, physics, textures, and shaders. In multiplayer games, the wii version had all of these issues plus lower character counts. In alot of cases, the wii versions of multiplatforms had all of these differences and were capped at half the framerate.

I'm basing that comment off of the specs of each console:

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Yes, but is this really one of those times? I mean....Nintendo's decision to go down a new road with the Wii, there's an issue that might make you think 'I wonder how much nostalgia and personal affection have an input on peoples opinions?'

But 'Call of Duty 720p at launch'? Are we really going to cry bias over somebody not being blown away by that news?

Again, how accusations of bias relate to this specific circumstance is of far less importance to me than addressing the claim in your post, which struck me as rather bizarre in that it seemed to suggest that bias is something that only affects children.

 

[cdkee]

I can't wait for his thesaurus filled review of Killzone.

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

Output being gimped because of weak hardware matters to me a lot. A better experience could be had. See Wii vs Dolphin.

With platform exclusives on underpowered hardware that is set in stone, you are forced to take it or leave it tho. It's just unfortunate.

Yeah a better experience could be had, but without the improved resolution of say Mario Galaxy on Dolphin, its still good on Wii. Would it be nice to have the improved resolution on Wii? Yeah, but you get over it pretty fast. Everybody wants better graphics, its just a matter of fact that you're not always gonna get them, and there's really nothing you can do about it so you might as well play the game for what it is and have fun. Or get a PC :_)

 

[travisbickle]

This post is incredibly misleading. The wii was graphically a generation behind the 360/ps3. Multiplatform games ran at significantly lower resolutions, had vastly inferior shadows, antio aliasing, lighting, physics, poly counts, draw distances, LOD, physics, textures, and shaders. n multiplayer games, the wii version had all of these issues plus lower character counts. In alot of cases, the wii versions of multiplatforms had all of these differences and were capped at half the framerate.

It's still early we haven't seen all launch multi-platform games yet, but we can check off "significantly lower resolutions" and "anti aliasing" already.

 

[Con_Smith]

Ok, no one find it fucking weird that every major outlet is making apologist responses for Microsoft? What the fuck is wrong with these people?

Like do these people not understand that it's the same game, one version just looks better? Everyone of these "resolutiongate" responses always delves into "I want the games artistic design to be more interesting rather than it look better than the competitors," no fucking shit but that's not the point being discussed here.

Man Microsoft has been getting a pass since current gen began. I remember media downplaying red rings for the longest time back in the day.

 

[Skilletor]

Premium was $600 for me back in 2006, which is closer to $800 in today's money. Don't regret it though, has been an awesome roller coaster with my ps3.

Cool, but doesn't change the fact that there was a 500 dollar console available.

 

[JesseEwiak]

I'm basing that comment off of one specification of each console.

FTFY.

 

[one of them]

If I ever believed there was a legitimate chance of this happening on a wide scale at the expense of improved graphics settings, just for the sake of being able to market 1080p at 60fps, I would very likely never support those developers ever again. BF4 and COD tells me that those two developers have their heads screwed on right. They could have done 1080p 60fps on the Xbox One also, but at what cost? Ryse may not even look as good as it does if it were 1080p instead of 900p. I think Forza looks great for launch, but it will be interesting to see what they manage with the follow-up. Will it still be 1080p 60fps, but look notably better, or will they decide to drop resolution some to give themselves a bit more horsepower to make the game look better?

It will be interesting to see what devs do with their second efforts on the Xbox One.It will tell us a lot more than the early releases.

If they were to tick down the graphics then the difference would be very noticeable and easy to distinguish by the countless YouTubers and "gaming press" which would no doubt put up comparison videos/screenshots. I think that's their main worry right now - but once again they underestimated the knowledge of their consumers.

 

[daman824]

I'm basing that comment off of the specs of each console:

Sure but the graphical differences between the wii and 360 will be larger than the graphical differences between the ps4 and xb1.

Here is a 360 vs. ps3 vs. wii black ops comparison. Keep in mind that the wii version is running at a lower resolution and is locked at 30fps.

 

[BigDug13]

What does that mean, 'never waivers through bad news'? Does that mean 'is so obsessively attached to the brand as to go online and get in arguments with people'? Or does it just mean 'sticks with a trusted brand despite setbacks'? The former does not strike me as the type of personality Adam Sessler has, the latter is perfectly normal.

Why did you only quote the part before I addressed that I didn't think Sessler was that kind of guy? Did you choose to call me out on something that I specifically addressed after the quoted text because you failed to read after that sentence or because you wanted to attempt some sort of "gotcha" quoting taken out of context?

I'm not saying Sessler is that kind of person, I was responding to the false notion that "that kind of person doesn't exist in society among anyone who has reached high school level" because that kind of person most certainly exists.

 

[madmackem]

I see another has jumped on it doesnt matter, where were all these when wii was getting slaughtered by the gaming press for being non hd and looking shit because its only running in 480p. Tunes have changed.

 

[Jburton]

Cynicism is beginning to creep in on me in regards to the media reaction to all this.

Is Adam saying these things, taking this stance to drive clicks ......... this gentleman requires them to survive in his job, not a free PS4 ..... which was Adam's ego being hurt rather than his livelihood being endangered.


Quite why he holds the opinion that pushing the technology of visuals will inhibit the pushing of other aspects of gaming advancement like AI and animation is beyond me, it is without rhyme nor reason ....... just assumption and supposition.


The previous gen diminishes his stance by the very fact that it is littered with examples of graphical push, animation push and AI push all contained within single titles and not being restricted to one per title.



I also see no example of resolution being the cornerstone of marketing by any company, show me a television advert, print advert or YouTube video where 1080p/60fps is the central message or part of it at all ............. There is not one, again Adam continues to rail against a point that has no basis in reality.



With the exposure of his standpoint earlier in the year, his current stance seems really hypocritical, manufactured and click bait at worst and without merit or basis in reality.


I question his motives and I must fall on the side of manufactured controversy to drive views ............ his viewership is derived from forum goers and not mainstream audiences and he is praying upon us.

 

[Pain]

Yes, but is this really one of those times? I mean....Nintendo's decision to go down a new road with the Wii, there's an issue that might make you think 'I wonder how much nostalgia and personal affection have an input on peoples opinions?'

But 'Call of Duty 720p at launch'? Are we really going to cry bias over somebody not being blown away by that news?



What does that mean, 'never waivers through bad news'? Does that mean 'is so obsessively attached to the brand as to go online and get in arguments with people'? Or does it just mean 'sticks with a trusted brand despite setbacks'? The former does not strike me as the type of personality Adam Sessler has, the latter is perfectly normal.

So you're not surprised that the gane can't run on 1080p on Xbox One?

 

[NinjamicWZ]

If anybody was already locked into their investments for a year before the differences were found, there'd be a reason to try and shrug your shoulders and enjoy without the details mattering... but we're not. There's no logical reason to knowingly shortchange yourself if you have to play on a next gen console and can't buy everything. Games should be following consumers, tech, price range, and ease of development, with everything reciprocating in a chicken-or-egg fashion. Ideally consumers should be choosing the best prospect and their choice should be manifested by being the best environment to develop in with the most customers.

 

[jadedm17]

1 minute of self-promotion
3 minutes of talking
.5 minutes of promoting netflix
1.5 minutes of talking
.5 minutes of self-promotion

This is the future? wtf

 

[daman824]

It's still early we haven't seen all launch multi-platform games yet, but we can check off "significantly lower resolutions" and "anti aliasing" already.

See it's posts like these that make some xbox fans go on the defensive or get upset. Check my follow up post where I posted a comparison between the wii version of call of duty: black ops to the 360/ps3 versions. The difference is in a whole different league compared to the difference between the xb1 and ps4.

After watching through the video, you would have to be trolling to say that the xb1 versions of multiplats will be as gimped as the wii versions were compared to the 360/ps3 this generation.

 

[madmackem]

CBOAT implying that initial resolution issues are ms ESRAM tools related + a more graphically demanding game by a wide margin having a smaller resolution difference makes me believe that IW just ran out of time on this one. MS played a part in the issue by releasing a complicated system. But as devs start to understand the ESRAM, I think that the resolutions will increase. Not to PS4 levels mind you, but I think that 900p on xb1 will be the norm when the ps4 version is at 1080p and 720p will be the norm when the ps4 version is at 900p.

Read what ruban said they didnt run out of time at all.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Strange. I keep seeing the words "journalist" and "journalism" used, without any hint of irony.

 

[$h@d0w]

what changed in Sessler's expectations?

got paid off by ms

 

[Wille517]

So I am going to just come out say why this pisses my of so much. If I was the "average consumer " that gets talked about all so often and everything I heard was the difference isn't even noticeable and I choose the Xbox One only to find out later that there are systematic issues with it's ecosystem due to how it was designed and that the PS4 is superior by a large margin I would be goddamned pissed. We take for granted GAF and all the information that flows freely on it but most gamers don't read this site and must trust what the gaming journalists say, and they deserve the fucking truth. If you as a reviewer or games media personality have a bias for one system ir the other have the fucking nuts to come out and preface you comments admitting so, I might not agree with your opinion but atleast you will have my respect

 

[NoirVisage]

I have no idea why so many here are developing a persecution complex in regards to the PS4 and gaming journalism. You're the majority, what reason is there to constantly look for and often imagine ways that you think your stance isn't being expressed enough by people who are free to have their own opinions? It seems every day now that an article or journalist's opinion will be posted here and get mobbed for not praising the PS4 enough. Many times the stance will be wildly misinterpreted and that misinterpretation will be ran with. People are acting like there's a steady stream of journalists saying that the power difference "doesn't matter" when I don't know if I've actually seen that said a single time.

When the power of the consoles is discussed it seems that anything less than unrealistically glowing praise of the PS4 is perceived as "downplaying the power difference". Oftentimes the very reasonable opinion is expressed by a gaming site that the obsession some have with the power difference is a bit overblown in regards to determining how much each console will sell. Yet this stance is never considered and saying anything even close to it is written off as "bias" or apologism. Any attempt to discuss the power difference in a wider context where it's treated as anything less than the most important thing ever is immediately discounted. I'm not sure how anybody could not see how out of control the focus on power on this site is. Sure it's worth discussing and a big issue but it's simply not something worth discussing more than everything else combined.

The accusations of bias are becoming completely out of control. There's simply no reason for such a bias to exist in the vast majority of cases people are claiming there is. It's making discussion of articles very difficult as many members here feel a need for every opinion posted to absolutely line up to their own and any attempt to challenge a narrative that has been established here is shut down immediately. That discourages critical thinking, I'm not sure why so many desire views to be homogenized to align with their own when there are multiple valid ways of thinking in nearly every situation. There is no conspiracy in the media to favor one console-maker and thinking such a thing borders on craziness. I welcome diverse views and it's a real shame that some here don't.

This post taught me two things.

1. You don't know the meaning of "persecutuon complex"

2. You don't understand the issue at all, no media source has straight up said the power different between the consoles when in comes to multiplats is visible..without caveats..there's always a "but it doesn't matter" or the difference is no big deal..why the sudden cowardice when it was only last gen that less minor differences were put under a spotlight..

 

[madmackem]

So I am going to just come out say why this pisses my of so much. If I was the "average consumer " that gets talked about all so often and everything I heard was the difference isn't even noticeable and I choose the Xbox One only to find out later that there are systematic issues with it's ecosystem due to how it was designed and that the PS4 is superior by a large margin I would be goddamned pissed. We take for granted GAF and all the information that flows freely on it but most gamers don't read this site and must trust what the gaming journalists say, and they deserve the fucking truth. If you as a reviewer or games media personality have a bias for one system ir the other have the fucking nuts to come out and preface you comments admitting so, I might not agree with your opinion but atleast you will have my respect

Agreed they are failing to inform the customers and instead we have this it doesnt matter dance, who are they to make up the minds of the customer. Just tell it like it is its like election spin with these people.

 

[daman824]

Read what ruban said they didnt run out of time at all.

Like he's going to openly talk about what really happened?

I can see it now "MS included this really hard to understand bottleneck called ESRAM and we couldn't optimize it in time to get it running at 900p. So we dropped the resolution to hit the framerate goal."

And Rubin also said that textures look better at 720p than they do at 1080p. You think he's telling the truth there too?

 

[Exokell]

4 random reviews are enough?

Smdh. The same thing will happen when the consoles come out.

where the fuck where you last/current generation? PS3 was shitted on non stop since the the beggining for being more expensive and having worst version of multiplats compared to 360. Gaming media is fucking insane to defend xbox one right now! this shit is super corrupt.

 

[benny_a]

got paid off by ms

These posts suck balls. Nobody is being paid off. What is alleged by the more sensible posters is that this is something far deeper.

And no, not conspiracy deeper, but psychology.