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Give me some of those hot lumps Brad!
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Yeah, it was quite crowded, but the atmosphere was great! I love the Jake hat I got, but I didn't wear it while watching.
Video quality was a little bit disappointing. The HDTV rips I have look a lot better. "What was Missing" seemed to be in PAL format because the sound pitch was slightly off. Another nitpick is that the Regular Show episode is slightly censored.
Finn of Ooo
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Well I caved and watched it, ending was pretty underwhelming. Overall I liked it though.
TestMonkey
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Watch it again and look at what alternate Jake looks like at the end. Craziness.
(New episode spoilers)
I liked the episode, but The Lich had like 30 seconds of screen time. Considering they had built this up since the end of season 2, that is surprising and very very disappointing. I wanetd some closure there but didn't really get it. Wasn't very fond of the whole "Episode ended up not actually happening' due to Jake's wish either.
Episode was great but also a bit of a letdown. Extremely anti-climactic.
Episode was great but also a bit of a letdown. Extremely anti-climactic.
EmCeeGramr
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Man, there was a certain implication near the end there that just makes me wonder what the heck.
Spoiler it?
EmCeeGramr
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WOO WOO SPOILERS
alt-Jake is turned into The Lich by the mutagenic bomb Simon froze, even though the Lich isn't supposed to exist in this universe. Meaning, the bombs in the Mushroom War weren't just nukes, they were some kind of crazy magic mutation bomb, and the "main" universe Lich was originally someone or something pre-Ooo that was mutated during the war.
I think whoever was at ground zero does not matter since alt-Jake, who is just a non-magic, non-stretchy, non-talking dog turned into what looked like the same lich from the main universe. The person at ground zero was just the first host for the lich, much like how the snail and PB became it's host. I think the part that makes the lich The Lich is this evil spirit born out of the bomb. Maybe it even is the spirit of the bomb. That's why the lich's singular purpose is to destroy all life!
AlexMeloche
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I'm surprised Cartoon Network accepts things like Finn saying
ah ah.
"Suck my shorts!"
ScraftyDevil
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Eh, I though that was a pretty good episode. I agree with The Lich not getting enough screentime though; talk about a waste of a talented voice.
The episodes I'm really looking forward to this season are the next Lemongrab & Magic Man eps, and LR's babies being born (if only to see what they look like).
The episodes I'm really looking forward to this season are the next Lemongrab & Magic Man eps, and LR's babies being born (if only to see what they look like).
Its not specific, so I guess there are two options. 1: The Lich was born from the nuclear fallout of the bomb. 2: The Lich was *designed* by the makers of the bomb (As in, the bomb was *supposed* to create the Lich; that was its sole purpose)- an ultimate weapon that backfired. Either could work though I'm fond of the second idea (Though that makes me wonder why the war started and what it was about.
The show appears to be... somewhat consistent with it. The Lich has been described as a magical being. I'm not sure how you get from nuclear fallout creature to magical being, but in the first Lich episode, when PB is possessed, she has Finn get stuff like plutonium, ammonia and other chemicals, so they have been consistent in that regard.
The show appears to be... somewhat consistent with it. The Lich has been described as a magical being. I'm not sure how you get from nuclear fallout creature to magical being, but in the first Lich episode, when PB is possessed, she has Finn get stuff like plutonium, ammonia and other chemicals, so they have been consistent in that regard.
re: spoilers
Side note:
might be my new favorite character.
The Lich strikes me as a Ganon/Ganondorf figure, an eternal evil that exists no matter the universe, who might come about differently each time but is essentially the purest form of evil. Think how The Joker in Batman has a variety of backstories, but they're all essentially the same (central) villain.
If anything the episode offered more interesting ideas than answers. Alt-Jake looked like he became A lich, but was it THE Lich? Are there multiple liches? How much of the universe is unchangable (Finn, Jake, the crown, the Mushroom War)? Where is The Lich now?
Its just one of those episodes where its fun to think about, but its hard to separate the immutable from the circumstantial.
If anything the episode offered more interesting ideas than answers. Alt-Jake looked like he became A lich, but was it THE Lich? Are there multiple liches? How much of the universe is unchangable (Finn, Jake, the crown, the Mushroom War)? Where is The Lich now?
Its just one of those episodes where its fun to think about, but its hard to separate the immutable from the circumstantial.
Side note:
Prismo
WordAssassin
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It was the episode where LSP writes the book on how to woo Finn for Turtle Princess. From what I was told it's not like they were forbidden from making it by the network, it's that they thought the idea was so completely stupid that they said they'd never do it. And then one day they were just like, "Hey, you know that episode we said we'd never make? Let's make it."
And yes, LSP is voiced by Pen.
Edit: Just watched it.
It's not a retcon in the typical sense because it actually shows the history of Ooo. Sure they made it so Farm World never wound up happening, but in creating and then erasing Farm World, they showed how Ooo came to be without actually having an episode that was all flashbacks to the Mushroom War told by other characters. This way, we saw how Ooo was created WITH Finn, instead of Finn hearing about it from someone else.
Fucking awesome.
And all in twenty minutes. Brilliance.
LowParry
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Evil Finn was just too awesome. I think it puts down some similar insight to Simons fall into insanity with the crown. And seeing a 1000 year old Marceline was great. As for the Lich, I gather he's stuck in limbo with -P. I did notice on the jar of pickles it says "Prismo's personal pickles" but I don't remember if his name was revealed during his time with Jake. But back to the Lich; We do see alt-Jake get turned into the Lich. Remember with Finn's wish, he never wanted him to ever exist. I think that was implied with the stopping of the nuclear bomb. But as Prismo says, his wishes come with a twist. So Finn didn't have his wish come entirely true on his part and as a result, we see Finn himself set off the nuke. But the origins of the Lich do imply he was created from the nuke. The source is the question as we did see the flashback of planes with Simon. Just who were they? Either way, where we go from here will be interesting. Will the Lich find a way back to Ooo in the future?
LowParry
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Possibly but it's just the one nuke overall that we've seen through the series So I think it would be safe to say that there is just one nuke.
There were multiple nukes in the, admittedly not canon, comics. I don't see how there could only be one nuke. That doesn't really make sense. The Mushroom War had only one nuke?
Episode was very unclear about this. I'm guessing Simon only stopped the worst bomb...
Episode was very unclear about this. I'm guessing Simon only stopped the worst bomb...
LowParry
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That is strange then. I mean if there were multiple nukes, Simon must of did a really good job of stopping them then but not revealed in the episode. But with the multiple planes shown, guess that does show that there were. I've never read any of the comics but do they go beyond season 5 in terms of content of the series?
The comics are not canon. They take place in an alternate universe. But even so I'm thinking if there were thousands of nukes in the comics, there'd be thousands of nukes in the show too.
I'm trying to reason it out but its really coming across like a plot hole.
I'm trying to reason it out but its really coming across like a plot hole.
LowParry
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That's what throws me off is that you have Marceline protecting the nuke for all these years. Just that one nuke, which again, the episode implies. And yet we do see multiple planes. Who knows. Maybe just take it as face value and roll with it.
I think it's important here to note that there could be multiple types of nukes. On the one hand you have your average run-of-the-mill nukes that just make a big boom and spread radiation around. On the other you have your "creepy voodoo magics"-enriched nuke that causes completely normal dogs to transform in the Lich. Could Simon's Crown maybe distinguish between which planes carried normal nukes and which planes carried magic-nukes?
Insane the amount of spoilers on this page by the way.
LowParry
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Yeah I'm thinking this is it. Marcelline met the ice king after the war already began. Simon must have stopped the "big bad Lich nuke" but not the others. Only way it makes sense.
Nope! I'm a sucker for rock solid continuity.
LowParry
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Okay so here's something interesting. I went back to Marceline and her story. She goes on to say "frightful bombs" at first when we see the flashbacks of the planes in the air and the Lich, then after, she says "Simon froze the bomb in mid flight" which we see Simon using his ice power to freeze the single bomb that descends slowly. Hmm. So yeah, I think it's safe to assume there were multiple bombs but there was that one big bomb. Also the 400 boring years of ice. 
WordAssassin
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There are multiple planes because there was an air-strike. That doesn't mean each plane had a nuke in it, it means that they carpet-bombed the battlefield. Then the ONE bomb, the nuke that ended the world, was the one that Simon stopped in FarmWorld.
It may not have been very clear but it's certainly not a plot hole.
Also it's important to note
that Finn and Jake remember everything. Just because Jake's wish makes FarmWorld never happen, doesn't mean that it didn't happen FOR THEM and they didn't just forget everything they saw.
Actually, I don't think Finn does remember. At least, it doesn't seem like it from what he said afterwards. And it would make sense if he didn't, because Jake was transported back to before Finn made his wish.
Like the hat?
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these spoiler tags are killing me
gotta watch it in HD though. One more day.
gotta watch it in HD though. One more day.
Yeah, that would account for the lack of technological progress in the alternate timeline.
Yeah, the leak's quality is ROUGH. Honestly people, it's a happauge HD-PVR. It's 50 dollars. It's not expensive.
Also yeah, I think only Jake knows, and that's made all the more poignant by the fact that he did nothing but dick around with Primso and the cosmic owl in the hot tube the whole time, so he barely knows what Finn was going through anyway. So in the end, even though Jake remembers the event, he knows almost none of the details. So yeah, the whole thing is basically retconned.
It's also pretty horrifying seeing characters like Ice King and Marceline and Jake die throughout the episode. The cutting back to the hot tub gang is enough to break the growing almost insurmountable sense of dread. It's nice knowing that we'll have the usual flow this season, but man, they really drive home the fact that the mushroom war is a really terrifying concept within their created world.
Also, I hate the cosmic owl's new voice. I really liked the idea of the Cosmic Owl sounding like Kennith from 30 Rock. Now he just sounds like any other jobber on the show.
It's also pretty horrifying seeing characters like Ice King and Marceline and Jake die throughout the episode. The cutting back to the hot tub gang is enough to break the growing almost insurmountable sense of dread. It's nice knowing that we'll have the usual flow this season, but man, they really drive home the fact that the mushroom war is a really terrifying concept within their created world.
Also, I hate the cosmic owl's new voice. I really liked the idea of the Cosmic Owl sounding like Kennith from 30 Rock. Now he just sounds like any other jobber on the show.
Aren't nukes the only bombs that make mushroom clouds? Its called the Mushroom war, so I'm thinking there were multiple nukes, but only one big bad doomsday lich nuke. Though I guess it really doesnt matter. We agree that only one bomb caused the lich so debating over the particular types of the other bombs isn't that important.
Finn doesn't remember. Jake does. Finn wished himself out of existence, then Jake wish made it so that Finn never made his wish. He doesn't remember a thing, because he did not exist during those events (And even if he did, Jake's wish made it so that those events did not occur), and did not see them play out on a tv screen.
When did the Cosmic Owl speak prior to this episode? Can't remember him doing anything other than appear in dreams.
Finn doesn't remember. Jake does. Finn wished himself out of existence, then Jake wish made it so that Finn never made his wish. He doesn't remember a thing, because he did not exist during those events (And even if he did, Jake's wish made it so that those events did not occur), and did not see them play out on a tv screen.
When did the Cosmic Owl speak prior to this episode? Can't remember him doing anything other than appear in dreams.
WordAssassin
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Dang I totally thought he remembered, and is flipping out about it? Gotta watch it again!
Also I don't recall the Cosmoc Owl ever talking before either, and they're pretty consistent with their guest voices. Jack McBreyer (?) would be a great voice though.
Who voices Prismo? His delivery was friggin' HILARIOUS.
Also I don't recall the Cosmoc Owl ever talking before either, and they're pretty consistent with their guest voices. Jack McBreyer (?) would be a great voice though.
Who voices Prismo? His delivery was friggin' HILARIOUS.
Cosmic owl speaks once in the second episode. He has a thick southern drawl and calls the Ice King a sociopath (which is half true).
So in massive anticipation for the new episode (I'm waiting for tomorrow to watch with some friends so I'm not spoiling myself) but I got Adventure time Volume 1 - the trade paperback
It is only the first 4 issues and the free comic book day issue - any word on releasing other volumes? Everywhere I look for the singles they are sold out and super expensive used.
And are the comics canon?
The art is great and I'm really enjoying it so far though! Hype for tomorrow and the game next week!
It is only the first 4 issues and the free comic book day issue - any word on releasing other volumes? Everywhere I look for the singles they are sold out and super expensive used.
And are the comics canon?
The art is great and I'm really enjoying it so far though! Hype for tomorrow and the game next week!
So Good! I always figured that
Also,
the Bombs were more than just regular Nukes. I assumed they were what brought magic into the world. However Simon found the crown weeks/months before the war so there's always that.
Also,
Jake seemed so disinterested in doing anything to help. WTF.
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