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[yamaci17]

nowadays there are game ready drivers and most games work well at launch (aside from the extreme outliers like elden ring. even then, people still expect a "patch" on ps5 xbox to fix frametime issues. go figure)

df/hb unboxed provides optimized/suggested most optimal settings for best performance. they even show side by sides so you don't have to do it yourself. if you tangled up yourself in that, it means you actually enjoyed that and you can classify that as a seperate hobby. it may not be gaming directly, however if you don't enjoy it i don't see why would tangle yourself in that to begin with. i made lots of comparisons in rdr 2 as to what setting do what out of pure interest. i had fun and it was cool to see what settings corresponded to what. i dont do that with every game but rdr 2 had granular settings and it was very informative to do comprenhesive tests and i got lots of knowledge from it that i actually apply to other games . i had fun with the process itself and i never think it of as "it stole my precious fun game time!" since i've already finished the game 2 times

most cpus and gpus today have no actual overclock headroom. there's no actual performance benefit to gain from OC'ing any modern intel/amd chip. most amd and nvidia gpus are squuezed to their limits for best performance possible due to competition. at best you may tinker to get some undervolt going on. even then and there you have tons of presets you can simply choose, test a couple of hours and done with it.

most people don't care about that aside from overclock enthusiasts (see, important clarification. they're indeed overclock enthusiasts. some of them do not even care about games. some of them only uses games to compare overclock comparisons. its their passion. it has nothing to do with a normal gamer. if you yourself get tangled up chasing a %3.5 performance increase over a 150 mhz frequency increase, then it is hugely your own fault and you hamper your experience by yourself)

 

[Kacho]

The "tinkering" claims are usually a sign of a console gamer who's never even seen a computer pretending this was actually something that they experienced and the superior console experience prevailed. Never in my life or anyone that i know in real life has something this absurd happened. What ever the fuck even is there to "tinker" for hours ? Half Life 2 had like 12 graphics settings in a single window. With low-medium-high. You either max everything and can run the game or you medium everything and play. There's no "tinkering more than i play" in real life

Yeah, when people start dropping that nonsense it really shows their asses. Some older games require tinkering like FEAR where you need to download a dll file and place it in a folder to get a stable framerate...which takes all of two seconds.

 

[Markio128]

Don't be a dick. This has happened to half my friends including myself who grew up as PC gamers in the 90s.

I'll never forget spending months trying to get STALKER Shadow of Chernobyl to work without freezing randomly. That thing had some incompatibility with my Radeon at the time and I tried everything to make it work (changing power supplies, motherboards, etc). Had a shit experience as well with Bioshock. I know that things are much better now with Windows and drivers, etc. But there were some dark times during the Vista years. That's when I started to play GameCube and eventually got a PS3. Not having to think about hardware and software and just focusing on games was a breath of fresh air specially with age and having a full time job.

I spent days and days upgrading my pc in the 90s to always get a better experience when playing games when I was a teenager. Changing settings, resolutions, adding some RAM for less stuttering. PowerVR, Voodoo 2, Geforce, had them all. I understand the appeal but I just don't have any interest in spending time like that now. I spent my time reading magazines thinking about what new graphics card I should buy.

A very particular sub-segment of PC players still represent the cliché "gamer" that runs a game to look at frame rates and CPU temperatures and going "console noobs" are so far from this. I know them in person. They don't really game. And that's fine. They're hardware and spec enthusiasts. Just don't undermine or negate other people's experiences.

Spot on mate. I can’t even recall all of the games that I had issues with, but it could be a really frustrating experience at times. I’m sure the experience of being a PC gamer is much better now, but I don’t have any inclination or need to move away from console gaming atm.

 

[Markio128]

Yeah, when people start dropping that nonsense it really shows their asses. Some older games require tinkering like FEAR where you need to download a dll file and place it in a folder to get a stable framerate...which takes all of two seconds.

I was explaining my experience of PC gaming in the 90’s ffs, so get off your high horse. I’m sure things have improved immensely.

 

[yamaci17]

then your experience is completely irrelevant to the topic and adds nothing to the discussion

 

[DukeNukem00]

Don't be a dick. This has happened to half my friends including myself who grew up as PC gamers in the 90s.

I'll never forget spending months trying to get STALKER Shadow of Chernobyl to work without freezing randomly. That thing had some incompatibility with my Radeon at the time and I tried everything to make it work (changing power supplies, motherboards, etc). Had a shit experience as well with Bioshock. I know that things are much better now with Windows and drivers, etc. But there were some dark times during the Vista years. That's when I started to play GameCube and eventually got a PS3. Not having to think about hardware and software and just focusing on games was a breath of fresh air specially with age and having a full time job.

I spent days and days upgrading my pc in the 90s to always get a better experience when playing games when I was a teenager. Changing settings, resolutions, adding some RAM for less stuttering. PowerVR, Voodoo 2, Geforce, had them all. I understand the appeal but I just don't have any interest in spending time like that now. I spent my time reading magazines thinking about what new graphics card I should buy.

A very particular sub-segment of PC players still represent the cliché "gamer" that runs a game to look at frame rates and CPU temperatures and going "console noobs" are so far from this. I know them in person. They don't really game. And that's fine. They're hardware and spec enthusiasts. Just don't undermine or negate other people's experiences.

What does upgrading pc components in the 90s has to do with playing games in 2022 and claiming that tinkering for hours prevents you from palying games ? What you posted doesnt have anything to do with the claim i have issue with.

 

[Markio128]

then your experience is completely irrelevant to the topic and adds nothing to the discussion

So you think none of my personal experience with PC gaming still exists today? Interesting.

 

[Rykan]

I like how you skipped the part where you have access to almost every game ever made. If you just want to play Madden and COD then sure it's pointless and a waste of money.

I skipped over it because:

A. It is misleading at best and blatantly false at worst You do not have access to 99% of games ever released. Emulators are incredibly finnicky for a large amount of systems and most emulators do not run all or even most games accurately or without bugs/issues that weren't in the original versions.

B. It is completely besides the point. If you have a budget of about 500$ that you can spend on hardware for whatever reason, then it doesn't make it "Not suitable for serious gaming" if you can't afford a PC that is significantly more expensive.

 

[Markio128]

What does upgrading pc components in the 90s has to do with playing games in 2022 and claiming that tinkering for hours prevents you from palying games ? What you posted doesnt have anything to do with the claim i have issue with.

You could have just read my post and ignored it, rather than go on the defensive.

 

[STARSBarry]

As someone that owns a decent PC and every console under the sun the most tinkering I have done for a game is Skyrim to have the females all look like porn stars, literally unplayable on console due to the fact the defualt faces look like eldritch abominations.

It might be to do with the fact I tend to always get high end parts so running at max is never an issue right up until just before upgrade time.

However outside of singleplayer primarily Japanese titles my best gaming experiences are still on PC and I can't see that changing largely down to the expansive multiplayer offerings of PC over console, there's just so much more variety.

 

[Neo_game]

Personally I prefer gaming on a desktop. Smaller screen but sitting close to it. Having said that I have been considering moving to console + investing on a nice TV. Probably next gen, may be will get Pro if they make one. PC gaming definitely has advantages and more options to choose so yeah console are limited even though console are now more like PC games. I just want them to make a beefy console. I do not understand this 400 or 500$ budget cap and I absoutely dislike the idea of SS console. IMO they should release a 500 and 700$ console at least. I think many PC gamers will make a move console if they start making proper premium console.

 

[DukeNukem00]

You could have just read my post and ignored it, rather than go on the defensive.

Sure, but since its a forum for discussing various points i thought id adress this growing nonsensical claim where playing on PC isnt feasible because of some misterious choice paralysis. Claiming that when gaming on PC you spend more time "tinkering with settings" is not something that exists. Its something used for platform wars and its paroted verbatim whenever its suitable for someone.

Along the years there have been various points made by console players against PC - you need 5000 dollars upgrades weekly to play games. You have to change drivers 10 times per hour. In the last few years it seems the tinkering word is well loved and all these misterious people who are paralyzed by tinkering, so they just have to rely on the easy nature of a console. Like i said, it would be so cool if people would just say i dont care about computers and i prefer consoles for gaming, instead of trying do diminish the other platform, especially with false nonsense like not being able to play because i spend 3 hours moving the quality slider from low to high

 

[Xdrive05]

It's the ultimate gaming platform bar none for at least these reasons:

• Greatest back catalog & compatibility with the MOST games across the most generations
• Most customizable experiences you can have. (visual settings, 3rd party peripherals, etc.)
• Cheapest buy in for software (Steam sales, free Epic Store games, online keys)
• Most robust online integration & support for online multiplayer, still
• Most straightforward support for mouse and Keyboard, which for some genres still enables levels of fast gameplay that controllers can't begin to replicate (Doom Eternal being my own favorite example here, also RTSs).
• Still supports console controllers for almost all the games in genres that play better with a controller

There was one point in history where XBOX was arguably the superior platform for online experiences: early 2000's, when Xbox Live came with a headset and nearly all players actually tried to use communication (for better or for ill!). But that was two decades ago and the differences have all come out in the wash since then.

 

[yamaci17]

Sure, but since its a forum for discussing various points i thought id adress this growing nonsensical claim where playing on PC isnt feasible because of some misterious choice paralysis. Claiming that when gaming on PC you spend more time "tinkering with settings" is not something that exists. Its something used for platform wars and its paroted verbatim whenever its suitable for someone.

Along the years there have been various points made by console players against PC - you need 5000 dollars upgrades weekly to play games. You have to change drivers 10 times per hour. In the last few years it seems the tinkering word is well loved and all these misterious people who are paralyzed by tinkering, so they just have to rely on the easy nature of a console. Like i said, it would be so cool if people would just say i dont care about computers and i prefer consoles for gaming, instead of trying do diminish the other platform, especially with false nonsense like not being able to play because i spend 3 hours moving the quality slider from low to high

its saddening that mining craze became their bread and butter as well. sadly i have to admit too the gpu prices are too steep for what they provide

rtx 3060 provides a better RT-nextgen experience packed with DLSS at a msrp price of 329 dollars. a pc that can be better at ray tracing than consoles could've been built for 600-650 bucks if not for mining... but currently it is nearly 1.5-1.6 times its msrp and makes the comparisons look very bad

i remember my friend building a pc for 700 bucks back in 2020 with a rtx 2070 super. that thing still rocks. it has 10400f in it as well. he plays with optimized RT settings and it still provides a better experience than ps5/xsx especially with DLSS at 4K. but of course most console folk will also ignore dlss in discussions and act like it does not exist. 4k+dlss quality literlaly looks like native 4k itself

 

[ArtHands]

You could have just read my post and ignored it, rather than go on the defensive.

Why should anyone not point out your opinion that is largely if not entirely irrelevant though.

 

[Guilty_AI]

So you think none of my personal experience with PC gaming still exists today? Interesting.

Nope, it doesn't. Unless you're trying to run some really old 90s game directly from a physical CD or something.
And even then, 90% of the time its just a matter of "download and extract this patch".

Or if you have OCD and feel the need to download every mod in existence, or an arbitrary 2 fps drop in a cutscene compels you to re-tweak all of your settings and mess with all the config files you can find.

 

[yamaci17]

So you think none of my personal experience with PC gaming still exists today? Interesting.

i covered all possible situations here,


. you say you used wait for drivers and patches on PC. that makes no sense. you either really need something or not. if a game functions properly and get playable framerates (that is defined by your expectations. and if you were a console gamer past generation, that means you're perfectly okay with anything between 30-60 frames. and fact of the matter is, even a 7 year old gtx 970 has not fallen from the grace and still pushes 45+ fps on most games at console settings and resolutions), you don't need to wait for further driver or patches. if you're getting playable framerates on PC, why not just go forward and enjoy the game like you do on console?

this is not an issue, this is a personal situation you yourself have created. this is a situation that anyone can create on any platform. i can say that i refuse to play horizon forbiden west on ps4 pro. i will provide no reason because i simply can. just like you did on your PC. just because you think its exclusive to the PC does not make it exclusive to the PC. therefore, again, it adds nothing to the discussion. even if such experiences exist on PC, it also exists on all platforms.

8 year old gpu and a cpu at medium settings @1080p.



playing the game on launch perfectly fine. the damn game didn't even have a game ready driver at launch. it took nvidia several months. yet no one had any issues

 

[Markio128]

Note to self - stay well away from PC related topics

 

[hemo memo]

I love being able to tune a game's performance to my exact requirements. Including removing bullshit like depth of field, motion blur, chromatic aberration, etc. I also value raytraced GI which you won't be seeing much of on consoles. Dying Light 2 and Cyberpunk are just two examples of this.

This is exactly why I don’t want to go PC. Because I don’t want to bother with all that stuff. With my very limited time, I want to put the game press start and simply play.

 

[Clear]

Note to self - stay well away from PC related topics

Yep, its just not worth the grief. I think both times I've gotten a ban here have been due to PC-related topics getting incredibly heated super quickly!

There are pro's and con's to both in terms of what the user wants to do and not to do. The problem is those wants are highly subjective, so when people trot out arguments about how PC is "objectively" superior -which it is in many ways, although there is a cost to it- things derail badly.

I guess a good analogy would be a game which has loads of options; some people will go; "That's great, because I can set it up just how I like it", whereas others might say "I just want to play, not worry about moving sliders and ticking boxes". Both are valid, but appeal to different groups of people.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Welcome! PC rules, I was a big console gamer until my family got a PC in my teens. Then I became both. But as the years went on I noticed I'd be on my PC more than my consoles. Same goes for now, but it's still nice to have consoles as a choice IMO. Especially for exclusives.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Note to self - stay well away from PC related topics

Yep, do just that. No one wants people spreading bullshit or using experiences from 30 years ago as a modern staple.

 

[ArtHands]

This is exactly why I don’t want to go PC. Because I don’t want to bother with all that stuff. With my very limited time, I want to put the game press start and simply play.

That’s must be tough for you. For the rest of us we usually click the one that launch the game (example circled in red in the image below) if we don’t want to bother with those stuffs

 

[yamaci17]

That’s must be tough for you. For the rest of us we usually click the one that launch the game (exame circled in red in the image below) if we don’t want to bother with those stuffs

:O

i mean it look like it works... but nah. i wont be able to play. i will wait for the next patch instead. that must provide a better experience than this one. oh i will also wait for next driver. i suspect this driver is not good
and i can get 61 fps instead of 60 fps. i must OC my gpu and put it to stress test for a good 48 hrs. then i must not be happy and chase 62 fps and OC further and spent another 72 hrs tinkering with gpu. i must get that 3 fps man. it is inevitable.

after all that... i need to tinker with settings... for an eternity.

ENOUGH. im calling it a day. i just ordered a ps4 now. 1080p 30 fps, press and play. this is too much pressure. i cant handle. damn PCs. stops me from playing. how can I live with this

and where are patches?? icannot find patches for witcher 3. it say 1.32 but how can I be sure all patches are installed ? i must manually find all patches released and install them one by one. i dont trust steam. game looks like it is bugged. i dunno. geralt seems weird. that tree... looks bad. there must be something wrong. i must fiddle with settings. but then again its too much. ps4 must solve my problems right away

 

[nightmare-slain]

if you are serious about games then you need to have a PC! it's the best way to experience games. consoles are not bad but they are for casual gamers who don't want to spend too much money and are happy with lower graphics/performance. it's kinda like those who buy vinyl records and have an insane speaker set up to listen to music compared to the average person who is happy listening to streamed music through shitty airpods. or like those who buy 4K blurays and have a high end TV with dolby atmos set up vs someone who has a cheapo TV and streams netflix.

since i moved to PC the only reason i buy a console is if there are exclusive games otherwise i'm sure as shit going to be playing them on my PC.

:O

i mean it look like it works... but nah. i wont be able to play. i will wait for the next patch instead. that must provide a better experience than this one. oh i will also wait for next driver. i suspect this driver is not good
and i can get 61 fps instead of 60 fps. i must OC my gpu and put it to stress test for a good 48 hrs. then i must not be happy and chase 62 fps and OC further and spent another 72 hrs tinkering with gpu. i must get that 3 fps man. it is inevitable.

after all that... i need to tinker with settings... for an eternity.

ENOUGH. im calling it a day. i just ordered a ps4 now. 1080p 30 fps, press and play. this is too much pressure. i cant handle. damn PCs. stops me from playing. how can I live with this

and where are patches?? icannot find patches for witcher 3. it say 1.32 but how can I be sure all patches are installed ? i must manually find all patches released and install them one by one. i dont trust steam. game looks like it is bugged. i dunno. geralt seems weird. that tree... looks bad. there must be something wrong. i must fiddle with settings. but then again its too much. ps4 must solve my problems right away

wtf are you on about are you trying to be funny? lol

 

[TintoConCasera]

Klik still waiting for those PC specs!

Also, which is the first game you've tried? Have you run any benchmarks to check the system stability?

This is exactly why I don’t want to go PC. Because I don’t want to bother with all that stuff. With my very limited time, I want to put the game press start and simply play.

You don't have to. But if you want, you can, and that's the cool thing.

 

[nightmare-slain]

Klik still waiting for those PC specs!

Also, which is the first game you've tried? Have you run any benchmarks to check the system stability?


You don't have to. But if you want, you can, and that's the cool thing.

you shouldn't really need to check for a stability unless overclocking but that's likely so if OP hasn't already then i'd recommend:

GPU: 3d mark, unigine superposition
RAM: memtest86
CPU: intel burn test, prime95, cinebench
system: aida64 / realbench

in bold are probably the most essential ones. memtest86 is quite unnecessary unless you suspect or trying to rule out faulty RAM. any of the other programs will put stress on your RAM and quickly show any unstable OC. 3d mark is probably most comprehensive test. i like unigine superposition but you could be safe without it. intel burn test is alright for quick "dirty" checks of stability. Cinebench puts a real world load onto the system so chances are if it passes that you're fine. Prime95 will absolutely hammer your CPU + RAM. it's overkill but if you want a rock solid system it's worth running. in fact if you want 100% stability you might be better running Linpack Xtreme.

aida64 and realbench will stress your entire system. aida64 is quite good but if you only have time for one then go with realbench.

a final note, you could do stress testing with those programs and still find your system is unstable when loading up a game. once you've done all the stress testing the most important thing is to go use your PC for what you built it to do such as gaming. my PC would probably fail if i ran Prime 95 or Real Bench for hours on end but i don't care cause i can play all the games i want without any crashing. that's stable enough for me.

 

[Topher]

:O

i mean it look like it works... but nah. i wont be able to play. i will wait for the next patch instead. that must provide a better experience than this one. oh i will also wait for next driver. i suspect this driver is not good
and i can get 61 fps instead of 60 fps. i must OC my gpu and put it to stress test for a good 48 hrs. then i must not be happy and chase 62 fps and OC further and spent another 72 hrs tinkering with gpu. i must get that 3 fps man. it is inevitable.

after all that... i need to tinker with settings... for an eternity.

ENOUGH. im calling it a day. i just ordered a ps4 now. 1080p 30 fps, press and play. this is too much pressure. i cant handle. damn PCs. stops me from playing. how can I live with this

and where are patches?? icannot find patches for witcher 3. it say 1.32 but how can I be sure all patches are installed ? i must manually find all patches released and install them one by one. i dont trust steam. game looks like it is bugged. i dunno. geralt seems weird. that tree... looks bad. there must be something wrong. i must fiddle with settings. but then again its too much. ps4 must solve my problems right away

Some PC guys love to tinker with their settings and squeeze out every single frame. Some guys go even further and try to get on top of the 3DMark benchmark lists. Most just set resolution and quality and start playing though. Difference is PC gamers have those options. Either way, it doesn't make sense to generalize PC gamers.

 

[Mister Wolf]

This is exactly why I don’t want to go PC. Because I don’t want to bother with all that stuff. With my very limited time, I want to put the game press start and simply play.

I can understand your feelings. I enjoy the tuning aspect of computers and other things.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

:O

i mean it look like it works... but nah. i wont be able to play. i will wait for the next patch instead. that must provide a better experience than this one. oh i will also wait for next driver. i suspect this driver is not good
and i can get 61 fps instead of 60 fps. i must OC my gpu and put it to stress test for a good 48 hrs. then i must not be happy and chase 62 fps and OC further and spent another 72 hrs tinkering with gpu. i must get that 3 fps man. it is inevitable.

after all that... i need to tinker with settings... for an eternity.

ENOUGH. im calling it a day. i just ordered a ps4 now. 1080p 30 fps, press and play. this is too much pressure. i cant handle. damn PCs. stops me from playing. how can I live with this

and where are patches?? icannot find patches for witcher 3. it say 1.32 but how can I be sure all patches are installed ? i must manually find all patches released and install them one by one. i dont trust steam. game looks like it is bugged. i dunno. geralt seems weird. that tree... looks bad. there must be something wrong. i must fiddle with settings. but then again its too much. ps4 must solve my problems right away

 

[MikeM]

Is the general consensus that a prebuilt is stilk a cheaper way into the PC market than buying off the shelf components? Looking at some ABS builds.

 

[yamaci17]

never happened to me, i guess i must be blessed,

however the dreaded CE34878-0 crash happened 4 times while I was playing RDR 2 on my old PS4. it was not a good experience, considering it also took ages to load a save thanks to anemic HDDs (bless the new gen ssds and cpus though. great strides there) not to mention anemic framerate drops in towns that no patch, firmware or driver can ever solve

when a 2 core 4 thread pentium cpu from 2016 provides higher and more stable framerates in saint dennis on a semi-broken PC port i





stuff happens, i guess

 

[SSfox]

I feel like i've seen same topic many times already. Do the same topic but about PS5 instead and will get insta locked.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Solution: reinstall a package you find in a 3 min google search

Meanwhile on the ps5:

Solution: Wait for patch

 

[Topher]

Is the general consensus that a prebuilt is stilk a cheaper way into the PC market than buying off the shelf components? Looking at some ABS builds.

It maybe a little bit cheaper still, but building yourself is still the best way. The biggest problem with a lot of the prebuilts isn't the specs, but what you don't know. What kind of power supply does it have? What chipset is the motherboard based on? What is the memory speed? Prebuilts will highlight the CPU, GPU, amount of RAM, and storage, but often leave out crucial details that are taken into account when building yourself. Typically, you can do some research and find out those details, but there is no guarantee that what you find match the system you buy 100%.

Bottom line, there are still risks involved with prebuilts. A few months ago they made a lot more sense with the ridiculous price of GPUs. Not nearly as much now though.

Edit: Having said all that. Gamer Nexus did a review of ABS and it wasn't that bad.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Is the general consensus that a prebuilt is stilk a cheaper way into the PC market than buying off the shelf components? Looking at some ABS builds.

If YOU don't want to build your first... have someone else build it instead of going with prebuilt garbage.

Solution: reinstall a package you find in a 3 min google search

Meanwhile on the ps5:

Solution: Wait for patch

It's not even close to the amount of crashes etc that happen in PC gaming.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

After being a console player for the last 33 years I still don't want to play on my gaming PC.

 

[Guilty_AI]

It's not even close to the amount of crashes etc that happen in PC gaming.

Only major game i remember crashing on me on the last few years was FFXV.
Aside from that were either obscure or heavily modded games

 

[yamaci17]

even elden ring only crashed "twice" in my 130 hr playthrough. and all that my rams are oc'ed fully to their max potential (ofc stability tests are done)

let me do a quick check of games ive played this year

god of war - no crashes in 27 hrs of gameplay
cyberpunk 2077 - i would have expect this one to crash but never crashed in 67 hrs of gameplay with ray tracing enabled. i was also lucky that it only crashed 2 times when i first played it on launch
elden ring - crashed twice. not going to lie, i thought it would be a common occurence with this one. i guess every device is crashing every once in a while. amirite, like consoles? or maybe the game is simply broken. because i know elden ring crashes frequently on consoles as well.

cyber shadow - a game that was leaving game pass. yeah no crash or whatsoever

i played hitman 1-2-3 on a binge, never once any one of them crashed in gameplay. i guess i was too lucky. if i remember correctly it crashed when i was setting up resolution scaling. once i rebooted it was set to what I want and i kept playing without issues. i actually could reproduce this specific crash and reported to them but no fixes yet. then again, it had no implications on actual game stability and performance. since it was reproducible and not random, im not counting this one as a valid crash

sifu - no crash

its personal experience, after all. can you argue with that?

 

[reinking]

I have always had available consoles and at least a mid-tier gaming PC. Truth is, if I had my way I would be an arcade gamer first. I miss the days of hanging at the arcade.

 

[Randall365]

PC is brilliant for gaming - the pluses for consoles are playing on your couch and the fact I am on a PC all week for work, so it feels good to pick up a controller.

Best to have both!

 

[Randall365]

Is the general consensus that a prebuilt is stilk a cheaper way into the PC market than buying off the shelf components? Looking at some ABS builds.

Maybe - but picking the parts and building your rig is one of the best bits!

 

[TintoConCasera]

It's not even close to the amount of crashes etc that happen in PC gaming.

Personal experience? Or making shit up?

 

[rofif]

You could’ve chosen ignorant and nice simple life. Pc gaming destroyed me but maybe it will not chew you up
Good luck

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Personal experience? Or making shit up?

Mine and others since 1998.
I don't need to make anything up.
Crashes etc are worse with PC's than consoles and it's not even close.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

PC is brilliant for gaming - the pluses for consoles are playing on your couch and the fact I am on a PC all week for work, so it feels good to pick up a controller.

Best to have both!

I play my PC from my couch.
Wireless accessories is the key

 

[Topher]

Mine and others since 1998.
I don't need to make anything up.
Crashes etc are worse with PC's than consoles and it's not even close.

I'd agree crashes happen more often on PC, but I wouldn't say it is that much more of an occurrence than on console. Actually, I'd say the chances are about even for most games until a patch or two is released. But that's anecdotal. Experiences will vary.

 

[Danknugz]

PC is pretty good and always was, but I still like consoles too, where I play depends on the game.

To this day I still can't handle FPS with controllers, feels terrible.

As for Steam chat/ingame chat and Steam community, I have no idea how someone can like that.

it always felt like breathing through a straw to me. at least with a mouse you're actually moving your hand similar to how you would move a gun up and down or side to side when aiming. using your fingers is in no way similar at all. detracts from immersion greatly. kind of like VR without motion controllers.

 

[Stuart360]

Ah i see it took to page 3 before we started getting the tiresome steriotypes of 'technical problems' and 'PC's are too complicated' memes.
Well being PC only for the last 10 years, and been PC gaming for 30 years, PC's today are so simple compared to yesteryear. Games barely have problems running in systems these days, i actually cant remember the last time i had a problem running a modern game. Updating drivers and the likes are practically automated these days. Compatability between hardware and software is so high these days that at least for me problems rarely arise.
And even when you do get the odd problem here and there, a simple Google search almost always reveals the solution. I honestly cant remember the last problem, software or hardware wise, that a Google search didnt reveal the solution.

Guys its not the 90's anymore, PC gaming is a piece of piss these days. Its as 'plug and play' as PC gaming has ever been. In fact i'd say its a tiny jump, technical wise, from console gaming. A tiny jump in complexity for the near endless positives of PC gaming over console gaming. Its a trade thats worth it ffs.

 

[yamaci17]

Ah i see it took to page 3 before we started getting the tiresome steriotypes of 'technical problems' and 'PC's are too complicated' memes.
Well being PC only for the last 10 years, and been PC gaming for 30 years, PC's today are so simple compared to yesteryear. Games barely have problems running in systems these days, i actually cant remember the last time i had a problem running a modern game. Updating drivers and the likes are practically automated these days. Compatability between hardware and software is so high these days that at least for me problems rarely arise.
And even when you do get the odd problem here and there, a simple Google sarch almost always reveals the solution. I honestly cant remember the last problem, software or hardware wise, that a Google search didnt reveal the solution.

Guys its not the 90's anymore, PC gaming is a piece of piss these days. Its as 'plug and play' as PC gaming has ever been. In fact i'd say its a tiny jump, technical wise, from console gaming. A tiny jump in complexity for the near endless positives of PC gaming over console gaming. Its a trade thats worth it ffs.

I don't even update GPU drivers unless I have to, honestly. i set up a beefy 10 gb shader cache size and I don't want to lose them honestly. there are games I play regularly and it has been a helpful feature so far for avoiding repeating shader compilation stutters (interesting that no one had a jab at that. I will take the initiative)

even the dreaded xbox pc app managed to somehow salvage itself after a couple rough years. nowadays it also works perfect and now allows you to install games anywhere and mod them however you like