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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. |OT| Tahiti is a Magical Place (to...Hey guys, I found it!)

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Alpende

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It was way too obvious the dude was the creator of that device, especially after it happened to himself. Seen it so many times.

Other than that, this and the previous one weren't bad episodes. I keep telling myself to stop watching but because of the last two episodes I'll watch the next one. Creating villains by stuff blowing up is pretty weak.

What the hell is up with the big break till the fourth of February.
 
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kirblar

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Alpende said:
It was way too obvious the dude was the creator of that device, especially after it happened to himself. Seen it so many times.

Other than that, this and the previous one weren't bad episodes. I keep telling myself to stop watching but because of the last two episodes I'll watch the next one. Creating villains by stuff blowing up is pretty weak.

What the hell is up with the big break till the fourth of February.
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Avoiding Olympics.
 
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dead souls

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I'm surprised people actually liked this episode. It wasn't any better than any of the others to me. I almost threw up in my mouth when Coulson made his whole "Not only didn't it break Skye, she redeemed a part of my humanity" speech to May. That's some seriously hokey shit.
 
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kirblar

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dead souls said:
I'm surprised people actually liked this episode. It wasn't any better than any of the others to me. I almost threw up in my mouth when Coulson made his whole "Not only didn't it break Skye, she redeemed a part of my humanity" speech to May. That's some seriously hokey shit.
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Yeah, but it at least provided a direction for Skye/Coulson's characters that has been sorely missing the entire season.
 
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Veelk

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Joni said:
Because the episodic plots were still good, and they were already building a serialized plot. They started in episode 1 with the list and the flashbacks, elements that came back each episode around the villain of the week plot.
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Bad argument. AoS does the same thing. I won't be assed to, but I'll bet you look and you'd find something in every episode whose effects spread to other episodes.
 
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Red Arremer

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This episode was actually pretty good.

Also, I guess this pretty much debunks every theory about Centipede being an already established Marvel organisation, since they said AIM/Hydra and Centipede are different.
 
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Nyanmaruz

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Quick said:
TFA being The First Avenger?

Bucky died during the movie. He's on the wall after getting killed by HYDRA during one of Cap's missions.

"Dead"
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Well we know that he survived the fall. I'm just wondering if he joined Shield afterwards because Bucky was not a Shield agent in the movie and the organization itself wasn't established until after Cap went on ice
 
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Fathead

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Nyanmaruz said:
Well we know that he survived the fall. I'm just wondering if he joined Shield afterwards because Bucky was not a Shield agent in the movie and the organization itself wasn't established until Cap went on ice
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Since they said Shield was formed from SSR, Bucky would likely be considered the first fallen "Shield" agent since he "died" in the service of SSR.
 
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fallengorn

Bitches love smiley faces
Even though SSR eventually became SHIELD, it doesn't make sense he's listed as a fallen agent. That's like the CIA listing fallen OSS agents on their wall.
/nitpick
 
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dionysus

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What was the definition of an 0-8-4 in the first episode? My memory recalls it as being an object of alien origin and that is really interesting in relation to the last episode or my memory is false.
 
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Red Arremer

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dionysus said:
What was the definition of an 0-8-4 in the first episode? My memory recalls it as being an object of alien origin and that is really interesting in relation to the last episode or my memory is false.
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From what I remember the definition is that it just means that, well, they don't know what that means. =)
 
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B.K.

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I missed last night's episode. I've been sick for a couple days and hurt my back over the weekend. When I got home from work, I ate dinner, then laid down to watch the 6:00 news. Next thing I knew. it was 9:00. I'll just have to watch it online or wait for a rerun.
 
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BlackNMild2k1

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dionysus said:
What was the definition of an 0-8-4 in the first episode? My memory recalls it as being an object of alien origin and that is really interesting in relation to the last episode or my memory is false.
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It's an "object of unknown origin" and Coulson referred to Skye as being just that. An object of unknown origin.
 
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CloudyTuba

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Razgriz-Specter said:
I dislike this show -> watches episode anyway -> episode was ok or meh -> it might eventually get better -> I really don't enjoy this show -> watches next episode
-> eh, next week looks better -> Im going to delete it, I don't enjoy it -> but what if this is the episode that really kicks into gear -> watches episode -> .....
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This was me with The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Watching every week, not enjoying it at all, holding on to hope that "this is where it gets better." It never really did.

I'm actually enjoying Agents of Shield. I'm not super into it, but it's entertaining. Mainly I just love Coulson.
 
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anaron

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Lone_Prodigy said:
Calling it now. Skye's power is her eternal optimism and unrelenting empathy.
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That was the only part of the episode I wanted ejected. Embarrassingly bad.

Like, could they not have just shown Skye saying she didn't want to leave or illustrate how being with SHIELD has given her a role she likes? Instead we get Coulson telling us how amazing she is. :x
 
Darkmakaimura

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I'm a week behind because of no TV but....

Damn, if that brain surgery scene wasn't the most disturbing thing I've seen yet in the MCU. That machine working on Coulson's brain while he's begging to die. The show definitely is getting some good seriousness that even the movies seem to lack. Impressive considering how crappy this started out.
 
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Jest Chillin

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anaron said:
That was the only part of the episode I wanted ejected. Embarrassingly bad.

Like, could they not have just shown Skye saying she didn't want to leave or illustrate how being with SHIELD has given her a role she likes? Instead we get Coulson telling us how amazing she is. :x
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No, because it wasn't useless exposition. The intent was to show two things. That it didn't break Skyes resolve and that the fact that it didn't, restored a bit of faith in Coulson who had previously been having serious doubts about everything SHIELD and he himself had been part of. It was the most effective way to do that in the time left in the show.
 
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anaron

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Jest Chillin said:
No, because it wasn't useless exposition. The intent was to show two things. That it didn't break Skyes resolve and that the fact that it didn't, restored a bit of faith in Coulson who had previously been having serious doubts about everything SHIELD and he himself had been part of. It was the most effective way to do that in the time left in the show.
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I'm not terribly sympathetic to writing that's been crammed in due to time constraints.

We didn't need to see Coulson tell May those things, it was shown that Skye didn't crumble by her taking part in the mission and we knew she wasn't going to leave based on her still being there at the end. The next episode could have and should have followed up on the stuff Coulson described to actually develop these characters and give them some meaningful interaction.
 
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Lone_Prodigy

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Jest Chillin said:
No, because it wasn't useless exposition. The intent was to show two things. That it didn't break Skyes resolve and that the fact that it didn't, restored a bit of faith in Coulson who had previously been having serious doubts about everything SHIELD and he himself had been part of. It was the most effective way to do that in the time left in the show.
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That's too bad. I was kind of hoping a disillusioned Coulson would go rogue in the season finale or something.
 
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Jest Chillin

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anaron said:
I'm not terribly sympathetic to writing that's been crammed in due to time constraints.

We didn't need to see Coulson tell May those things, it was shown that Skye didn't crumble by her taking part in the mission and we knew she wasn't going to leave based on her still being there at the end. The next episode could have and should have followed up on the stuff Coulson described to actually develop these characters and give them some meaningful interaction.
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It wasn't crammed in due to time constraints it was being effective with dialogue. And it's not as if Skye could have been dropped off before the rescue and had they just shown the shot of her looking at the memorial with no exposition over it, people would be criticizing her characterization for not showing any lasting reaction after having everything she's been looking for dropped on her lap like a ton of bricks.

You're also completely ignoring that the primary intent was to show Coulson having some faith restored in what he does. The beginning of the episode he's brooding and wallowing. The middle of the ep he learns of the lengths and sacrifices made be fellow agents to protect a baby girl despite her being a 084 (which should have resulted in her being sent to the Sandbox). Then after getting the news that her parents were murdered and many people died because she has some kind of powers she never knew about...instead of breaking down and shutting everyone out, she chose to become more resilient and more dedicated to the team and what they do, inspiring Coulson. Reminding Coulson that he can choose to become even more resolute in doing what he thinks is right. He literally says, "Here I am telling her something that could destroy her faith in humanity and somehow she manages to repair a little piece of mine."

I mean your complaint kind of sums up how the reactions to SHIELD have been in that all season long people have been complaining that there isn't enough plot and character progression in each episode and yet in this episode they manage to show Coulson work through his devastation at the Tahiti discovery, flesh out more background on Fitzsimmons, show the origins of another metahuman villain, AND reveal a major aspect of Skye's past... and someone complains that they should have pushed some of that character development to the next episode. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
 
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anaron

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Jest Chillin said:
It wasn't crammed in due to time constraints it was being effective with dialogue. And it's not as if Skye could have been dropped off before the rescue and had they just shown the shot of her looking at the memorial with no exposition over it, people would be criticizing her characterization for not showing any lasting reaction after having everything she's been looking for dropped on her lap like a ton of bricks.

You're also completely ignoring that the primary intent was to show Coulson having some faith restored in what he does. The beginning of the episode he's brooding and wallowing. The middle of the ep he learns of the lengths and sacrifices made be fellow agents to protect a baby girl despite her being a 084 (which should have resulted in her being sent to the Sandbox). Then after getting the news that her parents were murdered and many people died because she has some kind of powers she never knew about...instead of breaking down and shutting everyone out, she chose to become more resilient and more dedicated to the team and what they do, inspiring Coulson. Reminding Coulson that he can choose to become even more resolute in doing what he thinks is right. He literally says, "Here I am telling her something that could destroy her faith in humanity and somehow she manages to repair a little piece of mine."

I mean your complaint kind of sums up how the reactions to SHIELD have been in that all season long people have been complaining that there isn't enough plot and character progression in each episode and yet in this episode they manage to show Coulson work through his devastation at the Tahiti discovery, flesh out more background on Fitzsimmons, show the origins of another metahuman villain, AND reveal a major aspect of Skye's past... and someone complains that they should have pushed some of that character development to the next episode. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
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Yeah, don't push me into the box you're trying to shove everyone else into that dislikes the show. I've considered it middling-good but definitely inconsistent the whole way through and in no way deserve to be summed up as someone who tries to find ways to shit on it.

Like I've said, I do not consider the way the show handled that scene effective or earned.

If Coulson's dialogue was either taken out, rewritten or even just prolonged until it had actually shown Skye "dealing" (having moved on) with it for an episode, giving the audience AND him a reason to recognize her strength without anyone having to actually say it outright, I'd buy it; but the way it actually took place rang false for me because it came off like a quick and awkward summation of the scene at hand and these two characters.
 
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Mariolee

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anaron said:
That was the only part of the episode I wanted ejected. Embarrassingly bad.

Like, could they not have just shown Skye saying she didn't want to leave or illustrate how being with SHIELD has given her a role she likes? Instead we get Coulson telling us how amazing she is. :x
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Yup. Would've been way less hamfisted. And if they wanted to show Coulson's change of heart in moving on, then instead of him giving the speech to May which felt really unnatural for many reasons, they could've just had him makes subtle faces in response to Skye saying she wanted to move on despite all of this.

There's a good story to be told here, its just being told very poorly.
 
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Jest Chillin

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anaron said:
Yeah, don't push me into the box you're trying to shove everyone else into that dislikes the show. I've considered it middling-good but definitely inconsistent the whole way through and in no way deserve to be summed up as someone who tries to find ways to shit on it.

Like I've said, I do not consider the way the show handled that scene effective or earned.

If Coulson's dialogue was either taken out, rewritten or even just prolonged until it had actually shown Skye "dealing" (having moved on) with it for an episode, giving the audience AND him a reason to recognize her strength without anyone having to actually say it outright, I'd buy it; but the way it actually took place rang false for me because it came off like a quick and awkward summation of the scene at hand and these two characters.
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I'm not "pushing you into a box." I used your complaint as an example of SHIELD writers getting complaints no matter what they do. Slow pace, fast pace, no name dropping, frequent name dropping, etc... They're always going to get complaints about something. It happens all the time with the movies as well.
 
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anaron

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Jest Chillin said:
I'm not "pushing you into a box." I used your complaint as an example of SHIELD writers getting complaints no matter what they do. Slow pace, fast pace, no name dropping, frequent name dropping, etc... They're always going to get complaints about something. It happens all the time with the movies as well.
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Well you're certainly wording it as if it's unjust by saying "Damned if they do, damned if they don't" and implying I subscribe to the idea that no matter what AoS does good or bad, it'll be unfairly maligned.
 
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Jest Chillin

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anaron said:
Well you're certainly wording it as if it's unjust by saying "Damned if they do, damned if they don't" and implying I subscribe to the idea that no matter what AoS does good or bad, it'll be unfairly maligned.
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It was meant to refer to the criticism of the show overall. It's no secret that SHIELD has been getting criticized left and right here on the forum and judging from the questions that the Producers have been getting in interviews, it's been happening elsewhere as well. The complaints also seem to run the gamut and often times they're about things that many other shows do without getting negative responses for. Perhaps my wording should have been more specific in that regard or I should have done something further to delineate that my last paragraph wasn't specifically aimed at you though. So apologies if you felt personally attacked.
 
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Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Oh man, it just hit me what PISS POOR job this show is doing at highlighting the importance of its music. Agents of SHIELD has a kickass score, like a genuinely awesome one, but it's largely muted due to poor production choices that put FX and voices well above the OST's volume, to the point that music becomes white noise.

Those with a 5.1 setup can try to block the center channel so the voices are muted. You are in for a surprise.
 
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jb1234

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Funky Papa said:
Oh man, it just hit me what PISS POOR this show is doing to highlight the importance of its music. Agents of SHIELD has a kickass score, like a genuinely awesome one, but it's largely muted due to poor production choices that put FX and voices well above the OST's volume, to the point that music becomes white noise.

Those with a 5.1 setup can try to block the center channel so the voices are muted. You are in for a surprise.
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The mix was more music-centric in the first few episodes but yeah, they've really been dialing it down lately, especially in the action sequences.
 
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Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
jb1234 said:
The mix was more music-centric in the first few episodes but yeah, they've really been dialing it down lately, especially in the action sequences.
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Right. And it pisses me off, because the music is actually EXCELLENT. AoS is actually disrespecting Bear McCreary; he may have composed one of his finest soundtracks yet and nobody could ever notice it.

Go the to tornado sequence and mute the center channel. It completely changes the mood of the show.

Whoever is running this show is doing some spectacularly poor decisions at setting the tone.
 
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Rafa=FedKilla

Banned
Funky Papa said:
Right. And it pisses me off, because the music is actually EXCELLENT. AoS is actually disrespecting Bear McCreary; he may have composed one of his finest soundtracks yet and nobody could ever notice it.

Go the to tornado sequence and mute the center channel. It completely changes the mood of the show.

Whoever is running this show is doing some spectacularly poor decisions at setting the tone.
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That's the thing. They dont know what the tone of the show is.
 
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Hindle

Banned
Apparently an African American Shield agent will be joining the cast in the next few episodes. Hopefully he's a replacement for Fits or Simmons.
 
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